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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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MikeSoys

with all the businesses in ireland why cant we stsrt making ffp3 masks and sterilize then with uv light.. basically can we not be self sufficient ?

Gael23

Hearty80 wrote: »

Anyone hear when the announcement is going to be made, or is that top secret AGAIN??

Friday or Saturday I would guess

Hearty80

Anyone hear when the announcement is going to be made, or is that top secret AGAIN??

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FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No thats just not true. Tomorrow marks a fortnight since Spain allowed 300k workers back into construction hardware etc to restart economy. We are being unnecessarily restrictive and damaging for little reason

True and we should be seeing a massive spike in numbers now after two weeks, but we aren’t.

BillyBiggs

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Im struggling to understand the rethoric that the current restrictions are the undoubtedly only way to reduce the effects of Covid. It is clear to see that Sweden have implemented an approach which is preserving life and economy. I've seen response's here to say Swedish death rate is higher per million than neighbour's of theirs but frankly that's totally irrelevant, as the reason the restrictions were implemented was to allegedly prevent hospital's having to admisinster battle field levels of triage and hundreds of thousands dead. The restrictions were introduced because of inherently flawed models and Sweden is the proof. Weather restrictions are lifted or not on Monday, nobody can prove they are the most efficient method of Covid protection

Sweden will be one of the few countries with a high level of immunity in the community, which makes it easier for them going forward. When Ireland reopens there will be much less community immunity.

FintanMcluskey

Poorside wrote: »

That is exactly what he's considering, trying to keep people alive.

I will happily give up my job in exchange for hypnosis to help me believe this short sighted train of thought.

gozunda

Gael23 wrote: »

Tony Holohan seems to want to turn Ireland into a prison

Odd some seem to think that only Ireland is facing the ongoing threat of this pandemic.

Perhaps you haven't seen the news recently?

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2020/04/27/boris-johnson-uk-coronavirus-covid-19-pandemic-lockdown-restrictions-nhs-intl-ldn-vpx.cnn

Gael23

Poorside wrote: »

That is exactly what he's considering, trying to keep people alive.

Locking people up for months won’t keep some people alive. Peoplsbmental health can only be pushed so far

iamwhoiam

If the restrictions have to stay in place because they are not yet up to the required testing then people will be very pissed off
For weeks now we are hearing that testing and tracing has to be in place . Then bloody well get them in place

FintanMcluskey

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Economic fallout out will be huge regardless when there is no one to trade with.

And if it's not brought under control no one is going to trade with us anyway.

The argument on economic grounds is a red herring.

No thats just not true. Tomorrow marks a fortnight since Spain allowed 300k workers back into construction hardware etc to restart economy. We are being unnecessarily restrictive and damaging for little reason

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Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Economic fallout out will be huge regardless when there is no one to trade with.

And if it's not brought under control no one is going to trade with us anyway.

The argument on economic grounds is a red herring.

People encouraging these extended lockdowns love saying the economy is screwed anyway, as if that's one state of being. The economic fallout can be 2/4/6/8/10/20% depending on what we do, the difference between those figures in actual levels of enemployment and national debt is massive. So saying there is going to be economic fallout regardless doesn't mean we shouldn't try to keep that fallout as low as possible

Poorside

Gael23 wrote: »

He is nit considering the human toll on what he is doing

That is exactly what he's considering, trying to keep people alive.

AlekSmart

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Really? Strange isn`t it that after the GE results that most FG politicians and certainly Leo wanted to go into opposition. Explain that one.

These hereditary peers.....they're liable to say anything

https://inews.co.uk/images-i.jpimedia.uk/imagefetch/https://inews.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/GettyImages-1194870817-760x507.jpg?&width=640

Gael23

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

He said (repeatedly) that he is. Along with a lot of other things.

Well he would be putting out more positive sound bites if he was

HeidiHeidi

Gael23 wrote: »

He is nit considering the human toll on what he is doing

He said (repeatedly) that he is. Along with a lot of other things.

Gael23

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s not his fault. He has one job. He is asked to look through only one lens. Unfortunately no one in government has the balls to bring any balance to the debate

He is nit considering the human toll on what he is doing

Penfailed

Gael23 wrote: »

Tony Holohan seems to want to turn Ireland into a prison

Howso? You know that the kids in Spain have only just been allowed outside for the first time in six weeks? That's more like a prison.

[Deleted User]

Gael23 wrote: »

Tony Holohan seems to want to turn Ireland into a prison

It’s not his fault. He has one job. He is asked to look through only one lens. Unfortunately no one in government has the balls to bring any balance to the debate

Kermit.de.frog

easypazz wrote: »

The economic fallout will be huge.

Economic fallout out will be huge regardless when there is no one to trade with.

And if it's not brought under control no one is going to trade with us anyway.

The argument on economic grounds is a red herring.

Gael23

Tony Holohan seems to want to turn Ireland into a prison

FintanMcluskey

easypazz wrote: »

€700m wasted on empty private hospitals.

The economic fallout will be huge.

Longterm, this lockdown will do far more harm than good.

This is no longer beneficial to the health of the nation. 1700 empty private hospital beds, a caller on Ivan Yates had bowel surgery cancelled and had to reinstall his bowel everyday himself with incredible suffering since his surgery was cancelled in March. Thousands have had surgeries and treatments cancelled and this is veiled as the health benefit of the nation??? We are on a highway to the greatest health crisis ever witnessed in Ireland

Gael23

TheGoatOne wrote: »

Does anyone have any experience in moving house with the current restrictions? Due to move in the next few days and a bit worried that it wouldn't be deemed 'essential travel' with all the extra checkpoints that will be around.

Your in a legally binding contract to move so I think that’s essential

easypazz

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I also struggle with the astounding lack of transparency from the government. Its a completely anti democratic approach. The sum total of the information is a case rate and death rate that is possibly days or weeks old. The ICU capacity is stable and Dr Tony has yet again repeated only an hour ago if it stays as is there will be no restrictions lifted. As per Ivan Yates earlieer the private hospitals are empty after being forcefully controlled by Mr Harris for 6 months and surgeries and consultations have been cancelled in those facilities for customers who have paid greatly for privatised medical cover, and in most cases people left to suffer at home. The NPHET meeting minutes are also not available for public consumption. Why???? Is transparency not expected in a democracy?

€700m wasted on empty private hospitals.

The economic fallout will be huge.

Longterm, this lockdown will do far more harm than good.

FintanMcluskey

growleaves wrote: »

Yes, and everyone - literally every single person - should be asking for extraordinary proof to show that the lockdown is justified since it is, on its own terms, a destructive, anti-human policy. Knowing what human nature is like, with people not wanting to change their minds after they such a huge emotional investment in the lockdown, we're more likely to get an explosion of smug, sham-patriotic self-congratulation. Paving the way for future lockdowns.

I also struggle with the astounding lack of transparency from the government. Its a completely anti democratic approach. The sum total of the information is a case rate and death rate that is possibly days or weeks old. The ICU capacity is stable and Dr Tony has yet again repeated only an hour ago if it stays as is there will be no restrictions lifted. As per Ivan Yates earlieer the private hospitals are empty after being forcefully controlled by Mr Harris for 6 months and surgeries and consultations have been cancelled in those facilities for customers who have paid greatly for privatised medical cover, and in most cases people left to suffer at home. The NPHET meeting minutes are also not available for public consumption. Why???? Is transparency not expected in a democracy?

Spencer Brown

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

This is kind of an attitude I am sensing from some quoters, particularly more rural quarters. Not suggesting where you may reside in that btw. To answer your question yes I have been to all 3 of those countries.

Ireland is similar to most other countries, we have larger more densely populated areas and we have sparsely populated areas. Are you suggesting that a packed pub in sparsely populated Tipperary would be less of a risk than a packed pub in Dublin? Should we maybe make decisions regarding restriction based on population density per county and turn a blind eye to the large increases of covid 19 in the likes Cavan and Monaghan recently?

What? I stated facts, it has nothing to do with where I live. Things spread more quickly in densely populated areas, that applies to culture and idea not just viruses. I’m not advocating different measures for different parts of the country, I’m merely stating that what is required in other countries isn’t necessarily right for Ireland. That applies to both stricter and laxer measures covering different things depending on what they are.

gozunda

easypazz wrote: »

Bad news for the lockdown brigade today alright.

The repetitive party political type broadcast comments are certainly consistant but sadly monontous in their banality. Discussion it's not.

Perhaps changing the record might help ...

easypazz wrote:

Graphs like that won't suit the lockdown until Christmas brigade

easypazz wrote:

This doesn't suit the lockdown forever brigade.

easypazz wrote:

Just 388 new cases today, a bad day for the lockdown forever, no pubs until 2021 etc. etc. brigade.

easypazz wrote:

The lockdown brigade will freak when they hear that.

easypazz wrote:

...The lockdown brigade bury their head in the sand when it is mentioned.

....

Beasty

Risteard81 wrote: »

Complete nonsense.

There is no distance limit within the Occupied Six Counties so the RUC have no authority to prevent people crossing the so-called "border".

In fact, even exercising within 2km of my own home I could enter the Free State as it is less than 2km from my house.

But as I said no such distance limit exists so your post is entirely bogus and you should retract it immediately.

Do not post in this thread again

easypazz

growleaves wrote: »

Yes, and everyone - literally every single person - should be asking for extraordinary proof to show that the lockdown is justified since it is, on its own terms, a destructive, anti-human policy. Knowing what human nature is like, with people not wanting to change their minds after they such a huge emotional investment in the lockdown, we're more likely to get an explosion of smug, sham-patriotic self-congratulation. Paving the way for future lockdowns.

And don't forget the enormous folly. The politicians jumped in head first.

Dr Cróchán O’Sullivan, a consultant cardiologist at the Bons Secours private hospital in Cork City, said the deal to take over the use of 19 private hospitals for the duration of the public health emergency could cost as much as €700 million, the price of a new hospital.

growleaves

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Im struggling to understand the rethoric that the current restrictions are the undoubtedly only way to reduce the effects of Covid. It is clear to see that Sweden have implemented an approach which is preserving life and economy. I've seen response's here to say Swedish death rate is higher per million than neighbour's of theirs but frankly that's totally irrelevant, as the reason the restrictions were implemented was to allegedly prevent hospital's having to admisinster battle field levels of triage and hundreds of thousands dead. The restrictions were introduced because of inherently flawed models and Sweden is the proof. Weather restrictions are lifted or not on Monday, nobody can prove they are the most efficient method of Covid protection

Yes, and everyone - literally every single person - should be asking for extraordinary proof to show that the lockdown is justified since it is, on its own terms, a destructive, anti-human policy. Knowing what human nature is like, with people not wanting to change their minds after they such a huge emotional investment in the lockdown, we're more likely to get an explosion of smug, sham-patriotic self-congratulation. Paving the way for future lockdowns.

Penfailed

Risteard81 wrote: »

My essential exercise or shopping etc. can be on any side of the so-called "border". So wrong on that count.

I didn't say otherwise. So...not wrong.

I have already proven that in British law the RUC does still exist and that the name has been retained. So get with the programme - the last poster had to admit this once I proved it.

Anyone still using the name RUC to refer to the PSNI has a MASSIVE chip on their shoulder. You refer to the Free State and Occupied 6-Counties too though...so I'm not surprised.