Relaxation of restrictions Part II

25-04-2020 12:30AM

martingriff wrote: »

Of course people care about people mental health and the economy (there own jobs) but they also care about not letting this get out of control and another lockdown having to be done.

As for people mental health there is loads someone can do. Ring people, plenty of apps to facetime, Skype, of there with your 2km radius give them a wave and hello through the window.

I be concerned about domestic violence also but again people can help by reporting anything they hear or see

Do you actually have any idea how many people in this country live on the 2nd or 3rd floor of apartment blocks, or at the end of a cul de sac, or on a quiet country lane isolated miles from anyone?
How do you “give a wave and say hello through the window “ to these people FFS? Have you even thought outside of your own situation ?
I live alone, my job has gone on hold for the moment, I have no family around, my 2 kids live abroad. Believe me when I say WhatsApp video calls are not cutting it anymore. If you live alone this only makes things worse as you miss your loved ones more afterwards. Today was a beautiful sunny day, I was out walking twice , but I burst into tears at least 3 times too. The loneliness is horrendous. I don’t watch Netflix 24/7. I’m sick of spending entire days, weeks and weekends on my own. I dont have ‘mental health’ issues. I’m just bloody lonely and it’s getting worse every day.

FintanMcluskey · 25-04-2020 12:33AM

JoeA3 wrote: »

lol. I really wish we could go back to a diet of Jurgen Klopp and I say that as a Man United fan.

Joe stay with me, things aren't that bad. Please be strong and not post stuff like this!

alwald · 25-04-2020 12:36AM

The hilarious part of the "anti restrictions merchants" is their need to find a scapegoat to justify their wrong agenda/understanding of the current measures. First it was Varadkar, then Harris, after that it's Nolan and sometimes they pick on a poster from boards...it's literally a comedy club at this stage.

polesheep · 25-04-2020 12:36AM

almostover wrote: »

Let's just see how this post ages over the next few months. You don't perceive it to be a threat in your community? Do you have a medical degree or a specialism in virology? You might not feel worried or threatened by this pandemic but elderly residents of your community might. It's 10 more days at home. Grow a pair and get on with it

What do you think will happen after ten days to ease the worries of the elderly residents? Genuine question.

Cork Boy 53 · 25-04-2020 12:39AM

doylefe wrote: »

The lockdown advocates must not have much else going on in their lives. This is the most interesting thing to ever happen to them.

Probably the same gob****es going on about "self isolating" back in early February.

Grow up and stop whining like a spoiled child FFS.:(

JoeA3 · 25-04-2020 12:45AM

alwald wrote: »

The hilarious part of the "anti restrictions merchants" is their need to find a scapegoat to justify their wrong agenda/understanding of the current measures. First it was Varadkar, then Harris, after that it's Nolan and sometimes they pick on a poster from boards...it's literally a comedy club at this stage.

No, you and Bandit and the fella from Cork are providing most of the laughs tbh.

trapp · 25-04-2020 12:45AM

kippy wrote: »

I dont think you and indeed many like you, actually get it.
Which is why there have to be laws and enforcement of same to keep some semblance of check on the virus.
It's not JUST elderly relatives that will die and get sick and die from other issues IF we didn't have this level of a lock down.
Many more people would be sick, in hospital, in ICU and dead from this disease and if the hospitals were to be overwhelmed many more people would die from other illnesses for a variety of reasons.

While the current situation isn't ideal there's no food shortages, no energy shortages, generally, no major money shortages (yet), the weather has been good and the restrictions aren't THAT onerous in comparison to what could happen should the virus take hold.

There probably will be some loosening of restrictions over the coming month, but large gatherings are gone for at least 6-9 months, social distancing is in for the long haul and internation travel is/should be off the agenda from the vast majority of people. That's unfortunately what has to happen.

Kids are generally very resilient - their lives wont be "ruined" (in general) as a result of this, not in globally relative terms anyway.

This is exactly what I'm suggesting dear man.

It's time to gradually and carefully and slowly start getting society up and running again.

There's a big difference between that and going to a concert in Croke Park.

Just as there's a big difference between that and staying as we are indefinitely.

People need hope and progress.

polesheep · 25-04-2020 12:47AM

almostover wrote: »

Death is final and the only thing we can't recover from. Limiting it as a result of this virus trump any other consideration. The economy will recover and people's mental health will too.

You have no understanding of mental illness.

normanoffside · 25-04-2020 12:48AM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Grow up and stop whining like a spoiled child FFS.:(

You sound lovely.

polesheep · 25-04-2020 12:50AM

martingriff wrote: »

Mental health is something everyone can help other out and it just not a deal with it yourself problem. You can reach out to people ring them, text then, Skype them, play video game online with them, if they are within your 2km zone a hello through the window and a wave could do wonders. We are in this together

Honestly, you have no understanding of mental illness. You really shouldn't post about it.

esme95 · 25-04-2020 12:52AM

Anyone have any advice? Seriously stressed. Can't sleep. Basically work as a locum pharmacist but live in my family home with 2 immunocompromised people. Can't move out - work part time as a student and can't afford to. Have applied for the pandemic payment but if they don't approve it I will be forced to work, putting my family members in grave danger - seems that healthcare workers are guranteed to catch the virus and I would bring it into the home to them.

esme95 · 25-04-2020 12:53AM

Anyone have any advice? Seriously stressed. Can't sleep. Basically work as a locum pharmacist but live in my family home with 2 immunocompromised people. Can't move out - work part time as a student and can't afford to. Have applied for the pandemic payment but if they don't approve it I will be forced to work, putting my family members in grave danger - seems that healthcare workers are guranteed to catch the virus and I would bring it into the home to them.

alwald · 25-04-2020 12:55AM

JoeA3 wrote: »

No, you and Bandit and the fella from Cork are providing most of the laughs tbh.

I liked your post as it's hilarious :pac:...come and have a discussion once you stop mentioning your feelings in every second post of yours.

JoeA3 · 25-04-2020 01:00AM

alwald wrote: »

I liked your post as it's hilarious :pac:...come and have a discussion once you stop mentioning you feelings in every second post of yours.

My “feelings”? I’ve attempted to express my opinions. You don’t agree with them, but that’s another pointless post you’ve racked up. And surprise surprise, the Cork lad has clapped you on the back again. lol.

polesheep · 25-04-2020 01:01AM

esme95 wrote: »

Anyone have any advice? Seriously stressed. Can't sleep. Basically work as a locum pharmacist but live in my family home with 2 immunocompromised people. Can't move out - work part time as a student and can't afford to. Have applied for the pandemic payment but if they don't approve it I will be forced to work, putting my family members in grave danger - seems that healthcare workers are guranteed to catch the virus and I would bring it into the home to them.

Speak to your employer and explore your options. It may be that you can stop working and get the state payment or it may be that they can reassure you of your safety at work. My wife is a hospital nurse and working with Covid-19 patients and she hasn't caught it. In fact, she doesn't know anyone in work who has caught it (I'm not saying that there aren't any who have). I believe most of the healthcare workers who have caught Covid-19 work in the nursing home sector. In my experience pharmacies have been particularly good at protecting their staff and customers.

alwald · 25-04-2020 01:02AM

JoeA3 wrote: »

My “feelings”? I’ve attempted to express my opinions. You don’t agree with them, but that’s another pointless post you’ve racked up. And surprise surprise, the Cork lad has clapped you on the back again. lol.

Is that all you have to say?? is that your argumentation??

martingriff · 25-04-2020 01:04AM

polesheep wrote: »

Honestly, you have no understanding of mental illness. You really shouldn't post about it.

Educate me then. I am not saying this will stop there issues of course not I am not that stupid. However being there for a lot of people is a start. I do suffer from it also it can vary from person to person and for me (yes I know will not work for everyone) knowing there was someone I could talk text rant to was brilliant

FintanMcluskey · 25-04-2020 01:07AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you actually have any idea how many people in this country live on the 2nd or 3rd floor of apartment blocks, or at the end of a cul de sac, or on a quiet country lane isolated miles from anyone?
How do you “give a wave and say hello through the window “ to these people FFS? Have you even thought outside of your own situation ?
I live alone, my job has gone on hold for the moment, I have no family around, my 2 kids live abroad. Believe me when I say WhatsApp video calls are not cutting it anymore. If you live alone this only makes things worse as you miss your loved ones more afterwards. Today was a beautiful sunny day, I was out walking twice , but I burst into tears at least 3 times too. The loneliness is horrendous. I don’t watch Netflix 24/7. I’m sick of spending entire days, weeks and weekends on my own. I dont have ‘mental health’ issues. I’m just bloody lonely and it’s getting worse every day.

An arrogance exists Maggie, where some have lived in an isolated world and those people do not appreciate what some people have endured these last few weeks. Ive mentioned before my grandfather, and his sisters, who place more value on human contact than living indefinitely. Are we alive right now?

JoeA3 · 25-04-2020 01:07AM

alwald wrote: »

Is that all you have to say?? is that your argumentation??

What more would you like me to say? I’ve articulated my opinions at length in previous posts, but I think you said you didn’t read them as you determined after one sentence that they were “waffle”. Waffle being something that doesn’t sit with your world view I guess.

polesheep · 25-04-2020 01:08AM

martingriff wrote: »

Educate me then. I am not saying this will stop there issues of course not I am not that stupid. However being there for a lot of people is a start. I do suffer from it also it can vary from person to person and for me (yes I know will not work for everyone) knowing there was someone I could talk text rant to was brilliant

No, no, no. Just stop. There are mentally ill people who want you or anybody else as far away from them as possible. Just don't go there. Thank you.

lord quackinton · 25-04-2020 01:09AM

JoeA3 wrote: »

My “feelings”? I’ve attempted to express my opinions. You don’t agree with them, but that’s another pointless post you’ve racked up. And surprise surprise, the Cork lad has clapped you on the back again. lol.

Joey the lockdown merchants come across as really odd on here Especially the corkconian chap who seems really bitter
I am just back from an awful session
Publican had a lock in for a few of us
Heap of pints and whiskey
I have always lived my life by the principle
You don’t tell me what the **** to do and I won’t tell you what the **** to do
Simple but I like it

alwald · 25-04-2020 01:09AM

JoeA3 wrote: »

What more would you like me to say? I’ve articulated my opinions at length in previous posts, but I think you said you didn’t read them as you determined after one sentence that they were “waffle”. Waffle being something that doesn’t sit with your world view I guess.

It's wasn't an opinion founded on facts or science but rather your "own feelings" so yes it's a waffle for me.

alwald · 25-04-2020 01:11AM

lord quackinton wrote: »

Joey the lockdown merchants come across as really odd on here Especially the corkconian chap who seems really bitter
I am just back from an awful session
Publican had a lock in for a few of us
Heap of pints and whiskey
I have always lived my life by the principle
You don’t tell me what the **** to do and I won’t tell you what the **** to do
Simple but I like it

The blacker I bet

JoeA3 · 25-04-2020 01:11AM

alwald wrote: »

It's wasn't an opinion founded on facts or science but rather your "own feelings" so yes it's a waffle for me.

And all 1091 of your posts are founded on facts and science? Evidently not, based on the last few pages of this thread

FintanMcluskey · 25-04-2020 01:15AM

lord quackinton wrote: »

Joey the lockdown merchants come across as really odd on here Especially the corkconian chap who seems really bitter
I am just back from an awful session
Publican had a lock in for a few of us
Heap of pints and whiskey
I have always lived my life by the principle
You don’t tell me what the **** to do and I won’t tell you what the **** to do
Simple but I like it

Joey has suggested he would rather listen to Klopp. They have beaten him. His spirit is broken. Its all over

RicketyCricket · 25-04-2020 01:15AM

This thread is a ****show.

mayo londoner · 25-04-2020 01:15AM

It will be interesting to see what the government advises regarding opening up of offices again come 5th May. As in will they still encourage people to work from home where possible. I know for a fact that company I work for will be hellbent in getting everyone back into the office again in Dublin at the first opportunity as they despise staff remote working, which leads to another big issue down the line IMO.

Say for example, an employee is working from home currently in the likes of Mayo/Kerry/Donegal and is told to go back to their office in Dublin, how will they be able to visit their relatives/friends etc based back in Mayo/Kerry/Donegal etc down the line? It's not as if they can leave Dublin for a weekend and head home to their elderly parents for example as they wouldn't be able to spend 2 weeks in isolation before a visit.

Same applies to people who are currently caring for their elderly parents at the moment, say doing the likes of their shopping (currently doing this for my own parents, one of whom has cancer and my aunt and uncle living down the road, one of whom is bad with Parkinsons, all in their early to mid 70's). I'd imagine there's a lot of people usually based in Dublin who came home when this all kicked off in a similar situation and are dreading the call from the office to go back as they will be in limbo what to do, including myself, and I can't exactly see employers being too sympathetic either. They obviously pay the wages and call the shots but the more I think about it the more stumped I am on what to do when the call arrives.

alwald · 25-04-2020 01:16AM

JoeA3 wrote: »

And all 1091 of your posts are founded on facts and science? Evidently not, based on the last few pages of this thread

I try to base most of my opinions on numbers/facts but you do understand that, regardless if you are pro/against the current restrictions, that it's better to back up your opinion with figures/science.

JoeA3 · 25-04-2020 01:19AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Joey has suggested he would rather listen to Klopp. They have beaten him. His spirit is broken. Its all over

I know. It must be bad. :pac:

alwald · 25-04-2020 01:20AM

mayo londoner wrote: »

It will be interesting to see what the government advises regarding opening up of offices again come 5th May. As in will they still encourage people to work from home where possible. I know for a fact that company I work for will be hellbent in getting everyone back into the office again in Dublin at the first opportunity as they despise staff remote working, which leads to another big issue down the line IMO.

Say for example, an employee is working from home currently in the likes of Mayo/Kerry/Donegal and is told to go back to their office in Dublin, how will they be able to visit their relatives/friends etc based back in Mayo/Kerry/Donegal etc down the line? It's not as if they can leave Dublin for a weekend and head home to their elderly parents for example as they wouldn't be able to spend 2 weeks in isolation before a visit.

Same applies to people who are currently caring for their elderly parents at the moment, say doing the likes of their shopping (currently doing this for my own parents, one of whom has cancer and my aunt and uncle living down the road, one of whom is bad with Parkinsons, all in their early to mid 70's). I'd imagine there's a lot of people usually based in Dublin who came home when this all kicked off in a similar situation and are dreading the call from the office to go back as they will be in limbo what to do, including myself, and I can't exactly see employers being too sympathetic either. They obviously pay the wages and call the shots but the more I think about it the more stumped I am on what to do when the call arrives.

I agree with your concerns and public transport will become a real danger for spreading the disease. I hope that the government will insist on WFH to continue as the priority should be given to the businesses than can't operate on WFH such as construction.
Measures/restrictions should be reviewed every 2 to 3 weeks and adjusted as necessary.

Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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