Relaxation of restrictions Part II

Cork Boy 53

lord quackinton wrote: »

Joey the lockdown merchants come across as really odd on here Especially the corkconian chap who seems really bitter
I am just back from an awful session
Publican had a lock in for a few of us
Heap of pints and whiskey
I have always lived my life by the principle
You don’t tell me what the **** to do and I won’t tell you what the **** to do
Simple but I like it

Oh yeah. How did those all those pints of Corona lager in your imaginary pub go down ?

mayo londoner

@alwald only prob is that the company in question is construction! Although I am office based 99% of the time. From quite a rural area so dread the thoughts of one of the 4 people mentioned in my last post having to go out doing a food shop couple times a week. I agree completely with you on public transport though, whatever about measures in offices (which I'd be very sceptical of), there's no way you can social distance on a packed bus/luas/train etc, that's where the damage will be done.

kippy

trapp wrote: »

This is exactly what I'm suggesting dear man.

It's time to gradually and carefully and slowly start getting society up and running again.

There's a big difference between that and going to a concert in Croke Park.

Just as there's a big difference between that and staying as we are indefinitely.

People need hope and progress.

Its not time for that yet - a few more weeks of the current situation required.

There are people on this thread who don't seem to have any level of appreciation for the real world or real hardship. You'd swear someone had locked them up, thrown away the key indefinitely the way they are talking.

alwald

mayo londoner wrote: »

@alwald only prob is that the company in question is construction! Although I am office based 99% of the time. From quite a rural area so dread the thoughts of one of the 4 people mentioned in my last post having to go out doing a food shop couple times a week. I agree completely with you on public transport though, whatever about measures in offices (which I'd be very sceptical of), there's no way you can social distance on a packed bus/luas/train etc, that's where the damage will be done.

This is where the government's road map must be clear to all employers that no risks must be taken, WFH must continue and restrictions must be lifted step by step. Non compliance from employers must be considered an offence.
We can't allow to go a step backward after all the efforts made so far.

LiquidZeb

road_high wrote: »

Unless he's going around licking the paint brushes then it's highly unlikely I would think.

You do realize tenzor knows more about the vaccination for coronavirus than the Oxford professor working on it herself? You're talking to a true Galaxy brain there.

esme95

esme95 wrote: »

Anyone have any advice? Seriously stressed. Can't sleep. Basically work as a locum pharmacist but live in my family home with 2 immunocompromised people. Can't move out - work part time as a student and can't afford to. Have applied for the pandemic payment but if they don't approve it I will be forced to work, putting my family members in grave danger - seems that healthcare workers are guranteed to catch the virus and I would bring it into the home to them.

Unfortunate situation but you're unlikely to get it if you have a proper mask and wash your hands regularly. Pharmacies where I am have screens up with small holes at the bottom. Ask for them to be installed if they're not already.

It isn't measles so I don't think there's anything guaranteed about it. Every pharmacist doesn't end up with the flu every year. When I think healthcare worker, I think someone who is around infected people all day caring for them directly.

LiquidZeb

SusieBlue wrote: »

Way to go and completely miss the point I was making.
We can all agree that the curve has been flattened.
The virus is here to stay & cases will inevitably spike when we reopen services, regardless of when we do that, so can you please explain what logic there is in continuing lockdown?

Why is opening services in June preferable to May, because you seem to be basing that off absolutely nothing?
It’s actually inevitable that this won’t be the only lockdown anyway.
If the health service gets overwhelmed we will have to stay home again to limit the spread to ensure our hospitals don’t collapse.
So how can you possibly know that staying home for another month, or three months, will ensure that there’ll be a steady recovery and there won’t be another lockdown?
It’s delaying the inevitable. This is a pandemic, there is nothing steady about it.
The virus doesn’t care how well we’ve behaved by staying home.

I didn’t mention anything about lattes or going bowling so lose the sneering attitude on that front.
You appear to be completely ignorant to the catastrophic effect this is having on many people’s lives.
I don’t even work in retail or hospitality, I work a professional role in what most would have considered to be a ‘safe bet’ industry and my job is gone.
In my immediate family, both my brothers & my dad have lost theirs too.
I have elderly relatives & neighbours who are so depressed & miserable from the isolation that they no longer fear the virus and just want to be with their loved ones again. This is having a horrific effect on people and isn’t simply ‘boredom’ as you have repeatedly dismissed it as.

We are all responsible for our mental health on a personal level but as you said yourself, this is a pandemic.
Mass unemployment, social isolation, lack of distraction and separation from loved ones is a perfect recipe for a huge surge in suicides in the next few months.
It’s the elephant in the room no one wants to acknowledge, yourself in particular with your unhelpful advice about it being each persons own responsibility to look after themselves.

We can’t stay home indefinitely or there will simply be nothing to return to. The country will collapse & the people with it, with the stress we’ve all been under over the last few months.
It’s not reasonable to expect mass blind compliance for much longer.
People need hope.
I am way more fearful of the consequences of people rebelling & flouting the rules completely because they can’t take any more, than I am of a controlled reopening of society with clear guidelines for everyone.

Ah no just turn on the PlayStation and it'll be grand. That's what some genius suggested a few pages ago.

mandrake04

martingriff wrote: »

What you mean testing fiasco. It is not there fault there was a worldwide shortage of reagents.

Shortage of reagent is a bit over played now, there was a shortage of Lysis buffer which was resolved within a week and Diagnostic companies had advised to use kits sensibly and sparingly but aside few bumps in the road wasn’t a complete world wide show stopper.

Germany, S.Korea, UAE, NZ and Australia were able to constantly and consistently test and trace with great success without problems. High level of testing has saved a lot of lives in those countries.

Of the 111,000 tests, German Labs did 30,000-40,000 on Ireland’s behalf so Ireland only done 50,000 -60,000 tests themselves over the last 6-7 weeks.

The real problem is lack of diverse high level instrumentation and people with the knowledge of how to run them.

Tell me how

trapp wrote: »

I'm just wondering has it home what exactly is happening here and worldwide.

We're hearing stay at home, clap the frontline, watch netflix, enjoy family life and so forth but it seems fake or forced positivity.

In Ireland alone this is what's happening.

Thousands of people are now going to unemployed and all the effects of that

Many, many shops and businesses will never reopen

Very few pubs, restaurants will survive

The major sports of this country gaelic games, soccer and rugby are banned indefinitely both for large events and at local level. No more all irelands.

Our children can't mix with each other or go to school

Our young people can't go to college (online studying is not the same)

Our children can no longer play sport. Let that sink in for a second.

Funerals, weddings and so on are no more.

18ths, 21sts, 40ths, are no more.

Socialising in groups is no more. How do our young people meet a partner? Genuine question.

Concerts, festivals, parades, community days are no more.

We're heading into a depression, never mind a recession and emigration for a better life is off the table.

Many, many people in this country will be dependent on the state.

Most people I talk to still think we'll get back to some type of normal soon or that we'll have a vaccine to save the day. That could be years away.

Is life as outlined above sustainable or will the **** hit the fan over the summer and into the autumn.

I don't think the way we're going is just making a sacrifice for the frontline as it's being portrayed by politicians and in the media.

From what I can see it's complete destruction of our lives.

Jesus fcuking Christ man but let's pull back on the obituary of everything we've ever known just for a second.

Maybe it is a myth now more than reality but I read before that 12 months after a life changing event, an individuals level of daily contentment had returned to where it had been at previously. It was suggested that winning the lottery, or becoming paralyzed had no dramatic long term impact on levels of happiness, all things considered.

This is a very difficult time, but we will adapt, and find ways to do the things we previously enjoyed with some changes, if necessary, but as before in most situation. This is a revolutionary period, not evolutionary.

Tell me how

growleaves wrote: »

There was no shutdown during the London Blitz. Schools and universities, examinations, arts (theatre, opera, music, dance), museums, book shops, scientific research, live sports etc. were all kept going.

Londoners could have shut these things down and hid in air-raid shelters for the duration but choose not to for reasons of morale mainly.

Well, and the fact that there wasn't concern about a serious widespread highly contagious disease of course.

I saw a clip from Fox News where the host and Rudy Giuliani laughing at the absurdity of trying to do contact tracing and that now it will have to be done for cancer, heart disease and diabetes. Seriously, some people are either very ignorant, or completely malicious.

mandrake04

Tell me how wrote: »

This is a very difficult time, but we will adapt, and find ways to do the things we previously enjoyed with some changes, if necessary, but as before in most situation. This is a revolutionary period, not evolutionary.

This is true, in the past most of advancement has been because of a necessity eg during wars etc that drove Technology and innovation.

Now people are forced to work from home it can be proven that working remotely is feasible, the likes of Google and Facebook don’t need huge costly campuses of people working in them people can work remotely from their own homes and even from their homes in other countries like India etc where they can have a crack at doing some of the work cheaper and they don’t have to worry about visas etc. This would improve traffic, commuting and cost of houses it might help solve some of the problems people whinged about before covid.

pjohnson

alwald wrote: »

The hilarious part of the "anti restrictions merchants" is their need to find a scapegoat to justify their wrong agenda/understanding of the current measures. First it was Varadkar, then Harris, after that it's Nolan and sometimes they pick on a poster from boards...it's literally a comedy club at this stage.

Dont forget those on welfare.

Or the mainstream media

Or the gardai.

And that was just yesterday. I look forward to today. They arent far from blaming 5G at this rate.

RicketyCricket wrote: »

This thread is a ****show.

Its a holding cell for people threadbanned from the main thread.

Tell me how wrote: »

Well, and the fact that there wasn't concern about a serious widespread highly contagious disease of course.

I saw a clip from Fox News where the host and Rudy Giuliani laughing at the absurdity of trying to do contact tracing and that now it will have to be done for cancer, heart disease and diabetes. Seriously, some people are either very ignorant, or completely malicious.

And they complain about being addressed as simpletons :pac:

Bobtheman

Building sites and factories first.
Then a two week gap
Followed by shops with certain Gurantees ie temperature check's
Primary schools June ( full)
LC students July
All of this from a source in Government buildings
We can't just keep borrowing forever

Bobtheman

Tell me how wrote: »

Jesus fcuking Christ man but let's pull back on the obituary of everything we've ever known just for a second.

Maybe it is a myth now more than reality but I read before that 12 months after a life changing event, an individuals level of daily contentment had returned to where it had been at previously. It was suggested that winning the lottery, or becoming paralyzed had no dramatic long term impact on levels of happiness, all things considered.

This is a very difficult time, but we will adapt, and find ways to do the things we previously enjoyed with some changes, if necessary, but as before in most situation. This is a revolutionary period, not evolutionary.

I doubt you would return to s level of contentment if paralysed . Adjust yes be as content as before ? I doubt it.

Tell me how

Bobtheman wrote: »

I doubt you would return to s level of contentment if paralysed . Adjust yes be as content as before ? I doubt it.

Maybe. I dont know for sure.

But, I do follow this lady on Twitter, and am very impressed with her attitude.

JTMan

Bobtheman wrote: »

Followed by shops with certain Gurantees ie temperature check's

How can small shops logistically perform temperature checks?

alwald wrote: »

I hope that the government will insist on WFH to continue as the priority should be given to the businesses than can't operate on WFH such as construction.
.

It makes sense, in a few weeks, for the government, to say, that all offices can reopen BUT those who can work from home must continue to work from home. 'WFH where possible' is a no brainier to stop the spread and has low economic consequences, it should be the last restrictions to be lifted along with mass gatherings for events.

almostover

polesheep wrote: »

You have no understanding of mental illness.

Unfortunately for me I do. An intimate understanding of it.

lord quackinton

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/couples-mortgage-blocked-over-covid-19-wage-subsidy-996027.html

The lockdown Nazis were warned there would be real and serious repercussions
I hope you feel the same pain and humiliation people like this are feeling
As I said before to hell with you all

almostover

lord quackinton wrote: »

Joey the lockdown merchants come across as really odd on here Especially the corkconian chap who seems really bitter
I am just back from an awful session
Publican had a lock in for a few of us
Heap of pints and whiskey
I have always lived my life by the principle
You don’t tell me what the **** to do and I won’t tell you what the **** to do
Simple but I like it

I don't tell anyone what to do. The laws of the country are there for good reason. If we all picked and chose what laws we want to follow and which ones we don't the we would have anarchy.

Unelected CMO

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Only if you thoroughly scrub and disinfect the bin cover after using it. Potential of transmission of infection to the refuse collectors is high.

Source?

almostover

lord quackinton wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/couples-mortgage-blocked-over-covid-19-wage-subsidy-996027.html

The lockdown Nazis were warned there would be real and serious repercussions
I hope you feel the same pain and humiliation people like this are feeling
As I said before to hell with you all

Financial institutions have always acted like cretins. They are exploiting a public health emergency which is beyond reprehensible. Not the fault of the restrictions, the bank chose to act that way.

kenmc

Bobtheman wrote: »

Building sites and factories first.
Then a two week gap
Followed by shops with certain Gurantees ie temperature check's
Primary schools June ( full)
LC students July
All of this from a source in Government buildings
We can't just keep borrowing forever

So primary schools are going back, every student, rammed into overcrowded classrooms, from June, yet leaving cert students, probably the only group of kids who actually *need* to go to school don't go back till July despite the school sitting there empty? Sure...

GazzaL

Bobtheman wrote: »

Building sites and factories first.
Then a two week gap
Followed by shops with certain Gurantees ie temperature check's
Primary schools June ( full)
LC students July
All of this from a source in Government buildings
We can't just keep borrowing forever

Temperature checks are impractical for shops. They would have to get the equipment (which according the the New York Times are notoriously inaccurate https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/14/business/coronavirus-temperature-sensor-guns.html), learn how to use it properly, and have a staff member stand right in front of everyone's face to use it. Social distancing is more practical, readily achievable and safer.

The original list was so vague that lots of businesses didn't know if they could stay open or not, and this will be even more confusing. They also give **** all notice to allow businesses to plan.

Unelected CMO

BanditLuke wrote: »

No your grand, i also think they are toxic.

*you’re

lord quackinton

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Oh yeah. How did those all those pints of Corona lager in your imaginary pub go down ?

i get that you would not believe it.
but take my word i have a good friend who owns a pub and rents it out
he has been good to his tenant letting him slide on rent
only 6 of us were there and it was right craic. we had some paint brushes and ladders thrown around and we wore work clothing.
we were on the bottles of coors and sweet uisce beatha - truly the water of life.
all put on tab.
nice

GazzaL

JoeA3 wrote: »

No.
They’ve admitted it’s not in the community. R0 close to zero. No community spread in a fortnight. We’ve done all we can do and now they’re moving the goalposts because they’re still flappping around, deferring real decisions for more weeks. Harris is probably reading up Wikipedia on the previous 18 Covids....

All this bleating about people becoming complacent and “stay the course” is a smokescreen for their complete cock ups in nursing homes, farcical testing cock ups and the PPE equipment fiasco.

People are being told they can't see their families and friends, they're being told they're losing their jobs and businesses, that they're not allowed to earn an honest living, they're being interrogated and searched at checkpoints, and this is being orchestrated by people who come out with rubbish about 18 previous Covids.

lord quackinton

almostover wrote: »

I don't tell anyone what to do. The laws of the country are there for good reason. If we all picked and chose what laws we want to follow and which ones we don't the we would have anarchy.

what you describe happened every day before this lockdown
the courts were full of people not following the law and not seeing a day of jail over it.
if you want to be a good sheep then baa away
i am a lion, and lions eat sheep all day every day

Benimar

lord quackinton wrote: »

i get that you would not believe it.
but take my word i have a good friend who owns a pub and rents it out
he has been good to his tenant letting him slide on rent
only 6 of us were there and it was right craic. we had some paint brushes and ladders thrown around and we wore work clothing.
we were on the bottles of coors and sweet uisce beatha - truly the water of life.
all put on tab.
nice

No one believes you!

GazzaL

Benimar wrote: »

No one believes you!

I'd believe it tbh, you can get most things on the quiet. The ever increasing numbers of people on the roads aren't all driving to supermarkets or around in circles.

wirelessdude01

kenmc wrote: »

So primary schools are going back, every student, rammed into overcrowded classrooms, from June, yet leaving cert students, probably the only group of kids who actually *need* to go to school don't go back till July despite the school sitting there empty? Sure...

Just read between the lines with primary schools. It is all about glorified baby sitting. Will be dressed up as education and the mental health of the children but really it is about baby sitting.
Not sure what the parents think is going to happen in July when they have to look after their children again as there won't be any summer camps this summer to provide child minding for them.