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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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  • #452
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Interesting suggestion from you. Many who have been on the receiving end of anti social behaviour would be of the opinion that this would be a very good idea.

    And I would agree. But this isn’t anti social behavior. It’s decent citizens trying to earn a living and live their lives. Ditch the non sensical restrictions and let people live


  • #453
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    And economists would have no dog in this fight either? No biases at all?

    Their job doesn't rely on economic growth.

    Unlike the public health officials who are performance reviewed on public health resource management.


  • #454
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Unless all these people are essential workers or are on essential journeys they are violating the current restrictions and could and should be prosecuted. Simple as that.


    They are indeed, sad how Irish people didn't give a damn about the restrictions, they were put in place for our health. We look like idiots compared to the rest of the world ...except Sweden of course


  • #455
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    road_high wrote: »
    And I would agree. But this isn’t anti social behavior. It’s decent citizens trying to earn a living and live their lives. Ditch the non sensical restrictions and let people live


    People who follow the restrictions are decent citizens, those who dont are violating the rules. Nothing decent about it, just selfishness


  • #456
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    What a stupid comment, the law should be respected

    Other countries set an example of how to handle restrictions and their numbers are definitely looking better than ours

    When it’s obvious the “law” is stupid then it should be dropped.
    Bad law leads to this kind of nonsense we are stuck in now.
    We have a very poor record in nursing homes- the majority of our problem. This makes damn all difference to that.


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  • #457
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Breezin wrote: »
    but the piece makes reasonable arguments and asks important questions that no one seems prepared to answer.
    No it doesn't. It makes wild invalid comparisons and asks questions that can only be answered with a crystal ball.


  • #458
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    People who follow the restrictions are decent citizens, those who dont are violating the rules. Nothing decent about it, just selfishness

    It’s like an Orwellian nightmare even discussing things with some people.
    You’d imagine if the state legislated them to jump off a cliff they’d be first over the edge


  • #459
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    road_high wrote: »
    It’s like an Orwellian nightmare even discussing things with some people.
    You’d imagine if the state legislated them to jump off a cliff they’d be first over the edge


    another stupid comment, you are doing great today


  • #460
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    People who follow the restrictions are decent citizens, those who dont are violating the rules. Nothing decent about it, just selfishness

    So is demanding a lockdown, like many have done here, but dressed up as concern for other people, when it's really themsleves they're worried about.


  • #461
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    road_high wrote: »
    When it’s obvious the “law” is stupid then it should be dropped.
    Bad law leads to this kind of nonsense we are stuck in now.
    We have a very poor record in nursing homes- the majority of our problem. This makes damn all difference to that.


    it is not up to you to decide the law, what you are proposing is the definition of antisocial behaviour


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  • #462
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    road_high wrote: »
    It’s like an Orwellian nightmare even discussing things with some people.
    You’d imagine if the state legislated them to jump off a cliff they’d be first over the edge

    Don't know about that... But they'd definitely let the WHO and Gardai come and take their neighbours children out of the house and quarantine them.


  • #463
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    So is demanding a lockdown, like many have done here, but dressed up as concern for other people, when it's really themsleves they're worried about.


    Lockdown is for the benefit of everyone's health, Ireland is very much still at the peak as shown by the daily increase of new cases


  • #464
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    It would seem that quite a few posters here are choosing to bury their heads in the sand and still believe this nonsense.

    You essentially have some folk that think they are the sh1t as they earn a few quid but in reality they are so loaded up with loans etc that they are living paycheck to paycheck. That obviously won't be the message they come out with, it's all for the public good w@nk with the odd mention of depression will get worse etc. They won't say that they are struggling like fook to keep the show on the road.

    Initially they weren't bothered as it was hospitality & retail staff etc who were effected so they were all in for the public health measures but now as they are realising that perhaps the lining of their own pockets might be effected they are fairly sh1tting themselves and bleating on about the economy and their kids not getting the benefit of the spelling tests and 12 times tables at school.

    You then have lots of so called lockdown merchants who want no restrictions to ease on May 05th, this cohurt are as bad if not worse. Many of them are as well off on €350/week as they were before the lockdown so for them life is good. Sitting at home eating frozen pizza and wedges playing the PS and watching IP TV all day is actually lovely for them. there are fook all complaints from the wasters in society, we are usually deafened from listening to their woes.

    Most folk, 95% are in between those two extremes that I've quite narrow mindedly caricatured :pac:

    Restrictions will ease on 05th May. No one knows what will ease etc as yet but it's quite likely the plan will actually be for the public good. God forbid anyone actually thinks that the folk in government could actually do anything remotely positive. We should has a nation be happy enough that we don't have 150,000 cases of this thing and 7000 deaths with an over ran health service, and I think as a nation we probably are.


  • #465
    begbysback
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭begbysback


    Supercell wrote: »
    Anecdotal I know, when the lockdown started i could go out for a jog in my local park without having too many detours due to social distancing. Last week I decided to avoid it altogether as the place is full of people picnicing, kids on bikes everywhere etc so I changed to using the paths around the local area, was ok, very few people encountered and with a careful glance I could run on the road to get around them.

    This week that's gone too, the roads are far more busy, there are far more people on the paths walking around, its not safe or practical to run out on the road every 100 meters or so anymore no matter how cautious.

    I've taken to early morning runs, but the way things are headed those are going to have to get earlier and earlier. Not anywhere near normal volumes of people out and about but definitely to my mind far more than last week, which had more than the week before and so on.
    I don't see how social distancing is going to work for everyone in urban areas (not just the joggers!) once the restrictions are lifted.
    My wife tells me that in China that face masks are obligatory everywhere in public but there is no social distancing for this reason, they seem to have it under control now.

    Hang in there till I call Leo and ask can he have the guards start arresting people, hoping that gives you a clearer run in the mornings.

    And China can be ignored for the foreseeable future.


  • #466
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Lockdown is for the benefit of everyone's health, Ireland is very much still at the peak as shown by the daily increase of new cases

    As I said, faux concern for 'everyone's' health.


  • #467
    HBC08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,844 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Merry Prankster wrote: »
    Even if, with the benefit of hindsight, we learn that the global lockdowns went too far, they were based upon current best medical knowledge and practice. It they hadn't been introduced and the death toll were much higher, the same critics would be berating governments for not taking it seriously enough.

    It's easy to forget just how uncertain everything was at the beginning. But sure hindsight is a wonderful thing - if you'd had it a while ago, you might have been able to modify previous comments by yourself, like this one from the 10th March:



    ...or this one, from the same day...



    ...or this one, from the 14th March...

    lol,
    oh dear...


  • #468
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,228 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Lockdown is for the benefit of everyone's health, Ireland is very much still at the peak as shown by the daily increase of new cases

    The daily cases being reported recently are largely from Nursing homes which they have started testing.
    They are riddled with it.

    It has nothing to do with Lockdown


  • #469
    Annabella1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 661 ✭✭✭Annabella1


    (Yet) another important week ahead looking at the data from Austria/Denmark/Czech who are opening up gradually vs the increased numbers/deaths
    Ireland will have to open up and accept an increased amount of fatalities from Covid balanced against funding the country including the health service(?)
    Very tight corner but it is the same everywhere


  • #470
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Breezin wrote: »
    In the absence of mass testing in the community, that percentage is meaningless.

    So the article is a load of t0ss so.
    It's US based iirc, they are doing fook all mass testing.


  • #471
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    normanoffside wrote: »
    The daily cases being reported recently are largely from Nursing homes which they have started testing.
    They are riddled with it.

    It has nothing to do with Lockdown


    so, when the numbers are dwindling it's thanks to the lock-down
    when numbers are rising is has nothing to do with people being sloppy
    interesting logic


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  • #472
    Ms2011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,171 ✭✭✭Ms2011


    s1ippy wrote: »
    My mom is in considerable pain with two broken crowns that she should have gotten looked at ages ago... She's been cuccooning for months now. But she doesn't want to go herself because she's terrified about getting sick. It's hard to watch her pretend she's fine.

    I'm immunosuppressed at the moment but had no fear that the dentist would have a high standard of hygiene and they did.
    Appointments only so no real waiting. Chair sanitized before I sat in it, plastic covers stuck on the hand rests and changed inbetween clients and of course tools would be steriled as normal.


  • #473
    Ms2011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,171 ✭✭✭Ms2011


    Multipass wrote: »
    My sister just broke a tooth, and the dentist wont see her - she’s not in enough pain apparently.

    Ring another dentist.


  • #474
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,228 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    so, when the numbers are dwindling it's thanks to the lock-down
    when numbers are rising is has nothing to do with people being sloppy
    interesting logic

    No, I actually listen to what the CMO and his colleagues say and study the statistics which are released by the HSE every day.
    You guys just see the numbers and scream with no context.

    I suggest you follow this thread where you can get a full breakdown of Statistics each day, but please don't bring your hysterics into the thread.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=113245970


  • #475
    Supercell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,641 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    begbysback wrote: »
    Hang in there till I call Leo and ask can he have the guards start arresting people, hoping that gives you a clearer run in the mornings.

    And China can be ignored for the foreseeable future.

    Your missing my point (which has zero to do about jogging actually - some people here dont seem to believe that there are more on the streets than earlier in the lockdown, thats not the case), my point is that people are increasing ignoring the lockdown rules and this longer that goes on the more that's going to be the case. They are far too restrictive, there needs to be a better way. Sweden seem to be doing alright without such draconian measures, perhaps we should be looking to their approach?
    https://www.loughlinstown.ie/

    Have a weather station?, why not join the Ireland Weather Network - http://irelandweather.eu/



  • #476
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    normanoffside wrote: »
    The daily cases being reported recently are largely from Nursing homes which they have started testing.
    They are riddled with it.

    It has nothing to do with Lockdown

    Exactly, nothing to do with lockdown. But some people are so simply brainwashed and anti analytical that so long as the "gubberment say so" that's all they need.


  • #477
    the kelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭the kelt


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    so, when the numbers are dwindling it's thanks to the lock-down
    when numbers are rising is has nothing to do with people being sloppy
    interesting logic

    On the flip side when experts say we need to lockdown we should listen to the experts and when experts now say they’re considering easing restrictions it’s wrong!


  • #478
    begbysback
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭begbysback


    Supercell wrote: »
    Your missing my point (which has zero to do about jogging actually - some people here dont seem to believe that there are more on the streets than earlier in the lockdown, thats not the case), my point is that people are increasing ignoring the lockdown rules and this longer that goes on the more that's going to be the case. They are far too restrictive, there needs to be a better way. Sweden seem to be doing alright without such draconian measures, perhaps we should be looking to their approach?

    The restrictions were put in place out of fear of the unknown, now we know a lot more about its impact, we know where the worse affected are, and therefore we can put measures into place in specific areas, we know what to do if we are infected, we know the precautions are working, we know if there is a sudden spike when restrictions are lifted then we may need to go back to the current regime. We now know we have to live with the virus, so ultimately we should have a choice of how to live with it.


  • #479
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,816 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    road_high wrote: »
    It’s like an Orwellian nightmare even discussing things with some people.
    You’d imagine if the state legislated them to jump off a cliff they’d be first over the edge

    The weak-minded have always needed the Government to 'mammy' them.

    There are mostly incapable of making their own decisions and too much choice or freedom frightens them. The lockdown is immensely comforting to this particular cohort.


  • #480
    omeara1113
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 140 ✭✭omeara1113


    If the deaths and the number of cases keep rising like yesterday it's hard to see any easing of restrictions


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  • #481
    Spencer Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭Spencer Brown


    omeara1113 wrote: »
    If the deaths and the number of cases keep rising like yesterday it's hard to see any easing of restrictions

    It's hard to know if you are serious or an idiot


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