Relaxation of restrictions Part II

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ill break up your post to reply

kills people, covid-19 isnt made up, it isnt the flu, it is something new that can and is killing people that wouldnt have died previously
(Everyone that dies hasnt died previously)

From these rather simple facts we can extrapolate that 2020 will have a greater than average number of deaths
(No we can not suggest that)

:pac: jesus christ, I am out, you win

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Best to keep the humour up now, the stats are just so depressing, even though I know we are not the worst either, and we are told we are nearing the peak (or maybe we have done so already) and it's all great. For everyone.

Can't see it myself, even with my optimistic hat on. The new normal beckons. And we may have to get used to it.

I agree. The stats are completely depressing. Worst economic depression since the 30s. But we can stop this

I have been following this thread for a while but didn't post. I think at this stage the total shutdown has gone on long enough and the time has come to begin relaxing restrictions. The lockdown does not prevent anything it merely pauses the whole process allowing us to get hospitals, ppe social distancing measures in place, this has now been done and it is time to allow the virus to proceed.

The virus will not just dissappear like magic and the wait for a vaccine (which is not a guarantee with a coronavirus) is just too long to sustain this. There is much more benefit at this stage in allowing the less vulnerable to return to normality relatively fast as it means the supports and measures that have been put in place for the vulnerable can be maintained for longer. The reality is younger people have died from this but if you breakdown the numbers in countries like Italy they really suggest that this virus is targeting the old and those on the way out more than anything. The risk to anyone of working age isn't overly concerning despite what the media says.

The bury your head in the sand until it goes away approach will not work. It is however most definitely affecting people socially and financially and the longer we do this the more noticeable that is becoming.

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

i am already at my wits end in this thread, i am not going to go try and back up the fact covid-19 is real and kills people, covid-19 isnt made up, it isnt the flu, it is something new that can and is killing people that wouldnt have died previously. From these rather simple facts we can extrapolate that 2020 will have a greater than average number of deaths.

Yes, there'll be more deaths. A lot of them will be from the effects of the lockdown itself.

The lockdown is totally out of proportion to the threat. We're acting like it's the bubonic plague rather than a flu-like illness that 99.8%+ of the population will cope with.

growleaves wrote: »

No. I read the CDC are now stalling on releasing mortality figures.

Peter Hitchens had a good article on the UK bump in figures:

An attempt to grapple with figures on the Covid crisis (warning, no conclusion). Revised 21st April 2020

also, the author of that graphic has deleted that tweet

https://twitter.com/SidSanghi/status/1244674991662260227

https://twitter.com/SidSanghi/status/1244674992824102913

By the time we get the final overall mortality data many, many people will have 'moved on' (to climate change?) or will claim its irrelevant (that's my prediction!)

moonage wrote: »

Yes, there'll be more deaths. A lot of them will be from the effects of the lockdown itself.

The lockdown is totally out of proportion to the threat. We're acting like it's the bubonic plague rather than a flu-like illness that 99.8%+ of the population will cope with.

So far in Italy, of the over 65 population 0.2% have died. So its 99.8% of the over 65s will cope with

DellyBelly wrote: »

I think we can safely. this virus is definitely going to be the story of the year. Unless the Queen dies maybe.. That would be the only thing to top it in my opinion.

Not if she dies of Covid-19!!

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Of or with Covid?

Fintan you should know at this stage if someone leaps from a moving train running along a bridge into a giant gorge below - but they reportedly had a fever and cough beforehand - that's a covid death.

Former GAA president Liam O'Neill on Virgin tonight scaremongering about how dangerous this is to children.

Then followed up by a boffin from academia saying we shouldn't be expecting a vaccine for 12/18 months and that just easing restrictions will lead to huge spike and we need to radically change how we live, basically turn us into a police state. If you get the virus then you, your family, and your contacts need to be forcibly quarantined by the army and police.

Mind you he did mention a 4 day week with a 10 day weekend where everyone quarantines but thinks this not the way to go.

The lunatics have taken over the asylum folks.

growleaves wrote: »

By the time we get the final overall mortality data many, many people will have 'moved on' (to climate change?) or will claim its irrelevant (that's my prediction!)

The next play will be to say climate change is a pandemic itself and governments need to implement similar lockdowns to bring down CO2 emissions and save millions of lives.

JRant wrote: »

Former GAA president Liam O'Neill on Virgin tonight scaremongering about how dangerous this is to children.

Then followed up by a boffin from academia saying we shouldn't be expecting a vaccine for 12/18 months and that just easing restrictions will lead to huge spike and we need to radically change how we live, basically turn us into a police state. If you get the virus then you, your family, and your contacts need to be forcibly quarantined by the army and police.

Mind you he did mention a 4 day week with a 10 day weekend where everyone quarantines but thinks this not the way to go.

The lunatics have taken over the asylum folks.

Is Liam O Neill a qualified public health specialist like Philly Mcmahon, who was on Claire Byrne?
These guys need to crawl back under a rock and let the economists take over pronto. Ill listen to an economist suggestions, the media loving doctors and spoofers have had their say

JRant wrote: »

Former GAA president Liam O'Neill on Virgin tonight scaremongering about how dangerous this is to children.

Then followed up by a boffin from academia saying we shouldn't be expecting a vaccine for 12/18 months and that just easing restrictions will lead to huge spike and we need to radically change how we live, basically turn us into a police state. If you get the virus then you, your family, and your contacts need to be forcibly quarantined by the army and police.

Mind you he did mention a 4 day week with a 10 day weekend where everyone quarantines but thinks this not the way to go.

The lunatics have taken over the asylum folks.

LOL.

Glad I don't watch TV anymore it's all about the worst case scenario.

We just have to be careful, and mindful and keep our distance. It's not rocket science, but it's difficult not seeing family.

The radius may change to 5 or 10 k. That would be great for me to see family. But I will cope if not.

Have to be resilient and go with the flow for everyone's sake really.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Is Liam O Neill a qualified public health specialist like Philly Mcmahon, who was on Claire Byrne?
These guys need to crawl back under a rock and let the economists take over pronto. Ill listen to an economist suggestions, the media loving doctors and spoofers have had their say

He was asked about the possibility of GAA matches going ahead and went on a ramble about young children possibly dieing from this and the GAA won't take the chance.