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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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Spanish Eyes

Ah many are going a bit Doo Lally at this stage. We have to give a bit of slack now and forgive things.

Icyseanfitz

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ill break up your post to reply

kills people, covid-19 isnt made up, it isnt the flu, it is something new that can and is killing people that wouldnt have died previously
(Everyone that dies hasnt died previously)

From these rather simple facts we can extrapolate that 2020 will have a greater than average number of deaths
(No we can not suggest that)

:pac: jesus christ, I am out, you win

Spanish Eyes

Best to keep the humour up now, the stats are just so depressing, even though I know we are not the worst either, and we are told we are nearing the peak (or maybe we have done so already) and it's all great. For everyone.

Can't see it myself, even with my optimistic hat on. The new normal beckons. And we may have to get used to it.

FintanMcluskey

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Best to keep the humour up now, the stats are just so depressing, even though I know we are not the worst either, and we are told we are nearing the peak (or maybe we have done so already) and it's all great. For everyone.

Can't see it myself, even with my optimistic hat on. The new normal beckons. And we may have to get used to it.

I agree. The stats are completely depressing. Worst economic depression since the 30s. But we can stop this

Quantum Erasure

growleaves wrote: »

Here from economist Siddhartha Sanghi is a graph (data from CDC) showing USA raw weekly death counts for the first three months of the year compared to previous years.

thats up to the 10th of march, when there were a total of 32 deaths in the US attributed to Covid. anything more recent?

johnboy1298

I have been following this thread for a while but didn't post. I think at this stage the total shutdown has gone on long enough and the time has come to begin relaxing restrictions. The lockdown does not prevent anything it merely pauses the whole process allowing us to get hospitals, ppe social distancing measures in place, this has now been done and it is time to allow the virus to proceed.

The virus will not just dissappear like magic and the wait for a vaccine (which is not a guarantee with a coronavirus) is just too long to sustain this. There is much more benefit at this stage in allowing the less vulnerable to return to normality relatively fast as it means the supports and measures that have been put in place for the vulnerable can be maintained for longer. The reality is younger people have died from this but if you breakdown the numbers in countries like Italy they really suggest that this virus is targeting the old and those on the way out more than anything. The risk to anyone of working age isn't overly concerning despite what the media says.

The bury your head in the sand until it goes away approach will not work. It is however most definitely affecting people socially and financially and the longer we do this the more noticeable that is becoming.

growleaves

thats up to the first week in march, anything more recent?

No. I read the CDC are now stalling on releasing mortality figures.

Peter Hitchens had a good article on the UK bump in figures:

An attempt to grapple with figures on the Covid crisis (warning, no conclusion). Revised 21st April 2020

moonage

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

i am already at my wits end in this thread, i am not going to go try and back up the fact covid-19 is real and kills people, covid-19 isnt made up, it isnt the flu, it is something new that can and is killing people that wouldnt have died previously. From these rather simple facts we can extrapolate that 2020 will have a greater than average number of deaths.

Yes, there'll be more deaths. A lot of them will be from the effects of the lockdown itself.

The lockdown is totally out of proportion to the threat. We're acting like it's the bubonic plague rather than a flu-like illness that 99.8%+ of the population will cope with.

Spencer Brown

johnboy1298 wrote: »

I have been following this thread for a while but didn't post. I think at this stage the total shutdown has gone on long enough and the time has come to begin relaxing restrictions. The lockdown does not prevent anything it merely pauses the whole process allowing us to get hospitals, ppe social distancing measures in place, this has now been done and it is time to allow the virus to proceed.

Take cover

Quantum Erasure

growleaves wrote: »

No. I read the CDC are now stalling on releasing mortality figures.

Peter Hitchens had a good article on the UK bump in figures:

An attempt to grapple with figures on the Covid crisis (warning, no conclusion). Revised 21st April 2020

also, the author of that graphic has deleted that tweet

https://twitter.com/SidSanghi/status/1244674991662260227

https://twitter.com/SidSanghi/status/1244674992824102913

growleaves

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

also, the author of that graphic has deleted that tweet

https://twitter.com/SidSanghi/status/1244674991662260227

https://twitter.com/SidSanghi/status/1244674992824102913

I see.

Recent death data is usually hugely provisional.

For Ireland I could only get death data going as far forward as Dec 2018.

growleaves

By the time we get the final overall mortality data many, many people will have 'moved on' (to climate change?) or will claim its irrelevant (that's my prediction!)

FintanMcluskey

Spencer Brown wrote: »

Take cover

Haha that lad has just entered the real front line

FintanMcluskey

moonage wrote: »

Yes, there'll be more deaths. A lot of them will be from the effects of the lockdown itself.

The lockdown is totally out of proportion to the threat. We're acting like it's the bubonic plague rather than a flu-like illness that 99.8%+ of the population will cope with.

So far in Italy, of the over 65 population 0.2% have died. So its 99.8% of the over 65s will cope with

DellyBelly

I think we can safely. this virus is definitely going to be the story of the year. Unless the Queen dies maybe.. That would be the only thing to top it in my opinion.

growleaves

DellyBelly wrote: »

I think we can safely. this virus is definitely going to be the story of the year. Unless the Queen dies maybe.. That would be the only thing to top it in my opinion.

Not if she dies of Covid-19!!

FintanMcluskey

growleaves wrote: »

Not if she dies of Covid-19!!

Of or with Covid?

growleaves

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Of or with Covid?

Fintan you should know at this stage if someone leaps from a moving train running along a bridge into a giant gorge below - but they reportedly had a fever and cough beforehand - that's a covid death.

drunkmonkey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq9Gv7Uolsg

The lock downers here will love this. That's what they want life to be like. Arresting a mum in the playground.

JRant

Former GAA president Liam O'Neill on Virgin tonight scaremongering about how dangerous this is to children.

Then followed up by a boffin from academia saying we shouldn't be expecting a vaccine for 12/18 months and that just easing restrictions will lead to huge spike and we need to radically change how we live, basically turn us into a police state. If you get the virus then you, your family, and your contacts need to be forcibly quarantined by the army and police.

Mind you he did mention a 4 day week with a 10 day weekend where everyone quarantines but thinks this not the way to go.

The lunatics have taken over the asylum folks.

Quantum Erasure

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The lock downers here will love this. That's what they want life to be like. Arresting a mum in the playground.

nice straw, man...

JRant

growleaves wrote: »

By the time we get the final overall mortality data many, many people will have 'moved on' (to climate change?) or will claim its irrelevant (that's my prediction!)

The next play will be to say climate change is a pandemic itself and governments need to implement similar lockdowns to bring down CO2 emissions and save millions of lives.

Quantum Erasure

JRant wrote: »

Mind you he did mention a 4 day week with a 10 day weekend

10 day weekend? sign me up

FintanMcluskey

JRant wrote: »

Former GAA president Liam O'Neill on Virgin tonight scaremongering about how dangerous this is to children.

Then followed up by a boffin from academia saying we shouldn't be expecting a vaccine for 12/18 months and that just easing restrictions will lead to huge spike and we need to radically change how we live, basically turn us into a police state. If you get the virus then you, your family, and your contacts need to be forcibly quarantined by the army and police.

Mind you he did mention a 4 day week with a 10 day weekend where everyone quarantines but thinks this not the way to go.

The lunatics have taken over the asylum folks.

Is Liam O Neill a qualified public health specialist like Philly Mcmahon, who was on Claire Byrne?
These guys need to crawl back under a rock and let the economists take over pronto. Ill listen to an economist suggestions, the media loving doctors and spoofers have had their say

JRant

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

10 day weekend? sign me up

A 10 day weekend under lockdown though.

timmy_mallet

JRant wrote: »

Former GAA president Liam O'Neill on Virgin tonight scaremongering about how dangerous this is to children.

Then followed up by a boffin from academia saying we shouldn't be expecting a vaccine for 12/18 months and that just easing restrictions will lead to huge spike and we need to radically change how we live, basically turn us into a police state. If you get the virus then you, your family, and your contacts need to be forcibly quarantined by the army and police.

Mind you he did mention a 4 day week with a 10 day weekend where everyone quarantines but thinks this not the way to go.

The lunatics have taken over the asylum folks.

WHO have been advocating for that forcible quarantine crap too. Madness. All because we csnt get comfortable with a few extra deaths.

FintanMcluskey

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

10 day weekend? sign me up

Im all in favour of returning to work to pay taxes to support whoever is in lockdown voluntary. An 80% income tax rate is likely and Ill surrender even more of my hard earned money to support those who need protection.

Spanish Eyes

JRant wrote: »

Former GAA president Liam O'Neill on Virgin tonight scaremongering about how dangerous this is to children.

Then followed up by a boffin from academia saying we shouldn't be expecting a vaccine for 12/18 months and that just easing restrictions will lead to huge spike and we need to radically change how we live, basically turn us into a police state. If you get the virus then you, your family, and your contacts need to be forcibly quarantined by the army and police.

Mind you he did mention a 4 day week with a 10 day weekend where everyone quarantines but thinks this not the way to go.

The lunatics have taken over the asylum folks.

LOL.

Glad I don't watch TV anymore it's all about the worst case scenario.

We just have to be careful, and mindful and keep our distance. It's not rocket science, but it's difficult not seeing family.

The radius may change to 5 or 10 k. That would be great for me to see family. But I will cope if not.

Have to be resilient and go with the flow for everyone's sake really.

timmy_mallet

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Best to keep the humour up now, the stats are just so depressing, even though I know we are not the worst either, and we are told we are nearing the peak (or maybe we have done so already) and it's all great. For everyone.

Can't see it myself, even with my optimistic hat on. The new normal beckons. And we may have to get used to it.

Or get used to the death.

JRant

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Is Liam O Neill a qualified public health specialist like Philly Mcmahon, who was on Claire Byrne?
These guys need to crawl back under a rock and let the economists take over pronto. Ill listen to an economist suggestions, the media loving doctors and spoofers have had their say

He was asked about the possibility of GAA matches going ahead and went on a ramble about young children possibly dieing from this and the GAA won't take the chance.