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Relaxation of restrictions

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  • #9272
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,122 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Let's see if it's a trend first. May 5th still a long time away.


  • #9273
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Enter name here wrote: »
    Exactly, we now need to ramp up and obviously fines are not a deterrent. Time to issue all gardi with tasers and large sticks forget the fines if you are caught breaking restrictions you are beat to within a heart beat of your last breath. Maybe then the message will start to get through to you idiots.

    Wouldn't go that route tbh.

    Massive fines will be enough.


  • #9274
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,122 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Sub 2% growth in hospitalisations, sub 1% growth in ICU admissions.

    Just to put some perspective on things.


  • #9275
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    What numbers are you looking at? As far as I can see the cases dropped yesterday and isn't all that hight today.

    Number of deaths doesn't really tell you anything as they're people who will have been infected previously, possibly up to two weeks ago.


    No, deaths are the only true indicator of how we are doing.

    A ramping up of enforcement is needed countrywide but especially in the Dublin region.


  • #9276
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,106 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    What numbers are you looking at? As far as I can see the cases dropped yesterday and isn't all that hight today.

    Number of deaths doesn't really tell you anything as they're people who will have been infected previously, possibly up to two weeks ago.

    Exactly it's not real time. Tony even stated not to read into them. I'm surprised they don't know in the morning who died today, seems the HSE is lacking in basic daily reports.


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  • #9277
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    No, deaths are the only true indicator of how we are doing.

    A ramping up of enforcement is needed countrywide but especially in the Dublin region.

    Roll on May 5th.


  • #9278
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,106 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    No, deaths are the only true indicator of how we are doing.

    A ramping up of enforcement is needed countrywide but especially in the Dublin region.

    They are deaths over multiple days not yesterday. We're doing ok, listen to the HSE briefing every evening, it'll save you sprouting nonsense and reading the papers tomorrow.


  • #9279
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,570 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    Ireland was ahead of the UK in terms of racting and instigating a lockdown. Germany is the second-best country to handle the virus at the moment. Less than 2500 cases a day for most of the last ten weeks or so and the active case number has dropped by 20,000.

    In any case, lockdowns in Germany (bar Bavaria) havent been as sevear in Ireland. Berliners can go about the city as the wish as long as they don't do it in groups.

    its what makes me worry, they are morons in charge here, with nobody wanting to take any responsibilty, no vision, no plan nothing! Then there are the irish people, who are way too apathetic and let them away with murder. Its a recipe for disaster with this issue. the fact they are so hyper conservative here, of course helped in the early stages, I fear the damage it is going to do going forward though...


  • #9280
    faceman
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,673 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    castletownman wrote: »
    There is only such a clamour for schools to open because a lot of mammies who mollycoddle their chaps can't seem to formulate any way to keep them up to date with their school lessons.

    I bet their wine o'clock schedule has been affected too.

    Have classes via zoom. It will be a novelty that children might actually enjoy. In theory, the spacing out of classrooms seems fine, but in practise it could be a ticking time-bomb.

    Crowd control of pubs, particularly during the day, and especially in rural areas, is a lot more doable. Most older gentlemen avoid the pub later in the evening when it gets crowded anyway.

    We take it you’ve no kids and you’re missing the pints?


  • #9281
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,122 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Exactly it's not real time. Tony even stated not to read into them. I'm surprised they don't know in the morning who died today, seems the HSE is lacking in basic daily reports.

    We need to sort out our reporting of deaths because it seems no matter how many times it's explained, some people are just not understanding what the numbers mean.


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  • #9282
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,106 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    awec wrote: »
    We need to sort out our reporting of deaths because it seems no matter how many times it's explained, some people are just not understanding what the numbers mean.

    I'm surprised this is all new territory to them. It should have been happening since Excel was invented.


  • #9283
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,570 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    That government, Harris, Varadkar, the lot of them, they are despised by many here, have ZERO credibility and have the authority of the boy scouts! I honestly cant see their plan , which is basically no plan,to be tolerated here for much longer , like I said, given how disliked they are, based on their pathetic governance and lack of action, these last few years!


  • #9284
    zerosugarbuzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭zerosugarbuzz


    easypazz wrote: »
    Agreed, it would save so many lives in nursing homes.

    I would make absolutely no difference to anyone in a Nursing home if the average person wore a mask or not. It would make a massive difference to the people in the nursing homes if the staff going in and out wore masks and had been allocated hotel rooms to live in isolation in the early stages of this outbreak.
    Now alas it is too late for most but still worth doing.
    This lock down is not viable from an economic point of view, we will run out of money to pay the staff and open the hospitals unless there is tax and vat coming in soon which involves us all getting back to work as soon as possible. Harsh maybe but thats the reality.


  • #9285
    GazzaL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    No, deaths are the only true indicator of how we are doing.

    A ramping up of enforcement is needed countrywide but especially in the Dublin region.

    Giving Paddy Duffy in Drumshanbo a whack off a baton for straying 2.1km from his house won't help to solve the problem in Dublin nursing homes.


  • #9286
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    We have a worse death rate per million than the US.

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-million?year=2020-04-20

    123. 54 Ireland

    122.91 USA


  • #9287
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 333 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Shocking numbers today. As I said last week the lacklustre attitudes of some and absense of enforcement of the soft lockdown is going to cost us all big time. Still no wearing of masks whilst outside not compulsory is a farce.

    Chances of withdrawal of restrictions over the first 2 weeks of May is now very unlikely.

    '..Department of Health has reported 77 more people with Covid-19 have died', the key word in this sentence is 'with'.


  • #9288
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,122 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    We have a worse death rate per million than the US.

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-million?year=2020-04-20

    123. 54 Ireland

    122.91 USA

    What criteria is the US using when reporting deaths compared to Ireland?


  • #9289
    Sam Hain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,317 ✭✭✭Sam Hain


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    That government, Harris, Varadkar, the lot of them, they are despised by many here, have ZERO credibility and have the authority of the boy scouts! I honestly cant see their plan , which is basically no plan,to be tolerated here for much longer , like I said, given how disliked they are, based on their pathetic governance and lack of action, these last few years!

    How many times and in how many different threads do you need to post this same thing. We get it, you're disgruntled and blinded by misplaced resentment.


  • #9290
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,156 ✭✭✭✭briany


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    We have a worse death rate per million than the US.

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-million?year=2020-04-20

    123. 54 Ireland

    122.91 USA

    Not really a fair comparison. Most of the U.S. deaths are within New York state. No other state is anywhere near as bad as hit yet.

    729 New York

    122.91 Ireland


  • #9291
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,570 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Sam Hain wrote: »
    How many times and in how many different threads do you need to post this same thing. We get it, you're disgruntled and blinded by misplaced resentment.

    the arguments I am reading in many foreign press and experts, make a far better case for the importance of trying to get back to some normality, than the Irish media, copy and paste jobs. There is no objectivity here...


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  • #9292
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Sam Hain wrote: »
    How many times and in how many different threads do you need to post this same thing. We get it, you're disgruntled and blinded by misplaced resentment.

    I'm pretty sure he voted FG aswell :pac: he flip flopped a lot mind so maybe it was SF for those 24 hours :pac:



    The word vomit is amusing.


  • #9293
    keynes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭keynes


    briany wrote: »
    Not really a fair comparison. Most of the U.S. deaths are within New York state. No other state is anywhere near as bad as hit yet.

    729 New York

    122.91 Ireland


    Sorry, but comparing Ireland to NYC is outlandish


  • #9294
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    No, deaths are the only true indicator of how we are doing.

    A ramping up of enforcement is needed countrywide but especially in the Dublin region.

    They're an indicator of how we're coping with the cases we already have, and have had for some time - they are not in an indicator of how well we're doing at slowing down the virus.

    If you were to make a change today, you wouldn't know for at least two weeks what effect it has.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #9295
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    That government, Harris, Varadkar, the lot of them, they are despised by many here, have ZERO credibility and have the authority of the boy scouts! I honestly cant see their plan , which is basically no plan,to be tolerated here for much longer , like I said, given how disliked they are, based on their pathetic governance and lack of action, these last few years!

    Bad and all as things are with deaths and ICU admissions/new cases etc. if SF had been in government when the virus spread here then things would now be far far worse.


  • #9296
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Nermal wrote: »
    Energy is wealth. You're compelled by law to look on from your home as it evaporates.

    https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1250333876716597251

    Energy is wealth to the oil and gas companies and their investors.
    The rest of us have to cough up for any energy we use.

    Oh and energy is wealth for the states that have large oil and gas deposits and the vast vast majority of those barring the likes of Norway are unmitigated shyteholes run for the most part by despots who don't exactly share the energy wealth around.
    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Not to worry, there is a 92 year old dude in hospital hooked up to life-support that is giving them a big thumbs-up for the extra few weeks of 'life' he's been given.

    You certainly are an extra special kind of ar**hole.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #9297
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    We have a worse death rate per million than the US.

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-million?year=2020-04-20

    123. 54 Ireland

    122.91 USA

    This makes my point above even clearer: the US only went into lockdown recently and is at least a couple of weeks behind us.

    Plus it's a much wider demogrpahic and has a president who didn't want to lock the country down in the first place and still isn't keen on the idea.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #9298
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    briany wrote: »
    Not really a fair comparison. Most of the U.S. deaths are within New York state. No other state is anywhere near as bad as hit yet.

    729 New York

    122.91 Ireland

    I've no idea what you are trying to imply.

    I'm comparing nations not cities and nations.


  • #9299
    castletownman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,314 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    faceman wrote: »
    We take it you’ve no kids and you’re missing the pints?

    No kids, but missing the fact that my working life is the tourism industry during the week and reporting on live sporting events at the weekend, both of which are fooked for the foreseeable.

    So actually, the ability to have a pint would at least take the edge off things.


  • #9300
    alwald
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭alwald


    Some people are using this virus to justify their thoughts on the government. Most EU countries chose the path of restrictions to limit the impact of this new virus, and they did so based on the limited knowledge they had about C-19.
    The Irish government took very good measures earlier than some countries which can only be applauded.


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  • #9301
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,570 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    alwald wrote: »
    Some people are using this virus to justify their thoughts on the government. Most EU countries chose the path of restrictions to limit the impact of this new virus, and they did so based on the limited knowledge they had about C-19.
    The Irish government took very good measures earlier than some countries which can only be applauded.

    yes the fact that they are hyper conservative here, was good on this front, its going forward, that is going to be the issue! The "ah shure its grand" approach :rolleyes:


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