Relaxation of restrictions

Let's see if it's a trend first. May 5th still a long time away.

Enter name here wrote: »

Exactly, we now need to ramp up and obviously fines are not a deterrent. Time to issue all gardi with tasers and large sticks forget the fines if you are caught breaking restrictions you are beat to within a heart beat of your last breath. Maybe then the message will start to get through to you idiots.

Wouldn't go that route tbh.

Massive fines will be enough.

Sub 2% growth in hospitalisations, sub 1% growth in ICU admissions.

Just to put some perspective on things.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

What numbers are you looking at? As far as I can see the cases dropped yesterday and isn't all that hight today.

Number of deaths doesn't really tell you anything as they're people who will have been infected previously, possibly up to two weeks ago.

No, deaths are the only true indicator of how we are doing.

A ramping up of enforcement is needed countrywide but especially in the Dublin region.

drunkmonkey

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

What numbers are you looking at? As far as I can see the cases dropped yesterday and isn't all that hight today.

Number of deaths doesn't really tell you anything as they're people who will have been infected previously, possibly up to two weeks ago.

Exactly it's not real time. Tony even stated not to read into them. I'm surprised they don't know in the morning who died today, seems the HSE is lacking in basic daily reports.

easypazz

BanditLuke wrote: »

No, deaths are the only true indicator of how we are doing.

A ramping up of enforcement is needed countrywide but especially in the Dublin region.

Roll on May 5th.

drunkmonkey

BanditLuke wrote: »

No, deaths are the only true indicator of how we are doing.

A ramping up of enforcement is needed countrywide but especially in the Dublin region.

They are deaths over multiple days not yesterday. We're doing ok, listen to the HSE briefing every evening, it'll save you sprouting nonsense and reading the papers tomorrow.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Ireland was ahead of the UK in terms of racting and instigating a lockdown. Germany is the second-best country to handle the virus at the moment. Less than 2500 cases a day for most of the last ten weeks or so and the active case number has dropped by 20,000.

In any case, lockdowns in Germany (bar Bavaria) havent been as sevear in Ireland. Berliners can go about the city as the wish as long as they don't do it in groups.

its what makes me worry, they are morons in charge here, with nobody wanting to take any responsibilty, no vision, no plan nothing! Then there are the irish people, who are way too apathetic and let them away with murder. Its a recipe for disaster with this issue. the fact they are so hyper conservative here, of course helped in the early stages, I fear the damage it is going to do going forward though...

faceman

castletownman wrote: »

There is only such a clamour for schools to open because a lot of mammies who mollycoddle their chaps can't seem to formulate any way to keep them up to date with their school lessons.

I bet their wine o'clock schedule has been affected too.

Have classes via zoom. It will be a novelty that children might actually enjoy. In theory, the spacing out of classrooms seems fine, but in practise it could be a ticking time-bomb.

Crowd control of pubs, particularly during the day, and especially in rural areas, is a lot more doable. Most older gentlemen avoid the pub later in the evening when it gets crowded anyway.

We take it you’ve no kids and you’re missing the pints?

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Exactly it's not real time. Tony even stated not to read into them. I'm surprised they don't know in the morning who died today, seems the HSE is lacking in basic daily reports.

We need to sort out our reporting of deaths because it seems no matter how many times it's explained, some people are just not understanding what the numbers mean.

drunkmonkey

awec wrote: »

We need to sort out our reporting of deaths because it seems no matter how many times it's explained, some people are just not understanding what the numbers mean.

I'm surprised this is all new territory to them. It should have been happening since Excel was invented.

That government, Harris, Varadkar, the lot of them, they are despised by many here, have ZERO credibility and have the authority of the boy scouts! I honestly cant see their plan , which is basically no plan,to be tolerated here for much longer , like I said, given how disliked they are, based on their pathetic governance and lack of action, these last few years!

zerosugarbuzz

easypazz wrote: »

Agreed, it would save so many lives in nursing homes.

I would make absolutely no difference to anyone in a Nursing home if the average person wore a mask or not. It would make a massive difference to the people in the nursing homes if the staff going in and out wore masks and had been allocated hotel rooms to live in isolation in the early stages of this outbreak.
Now alas it is too late for most but still worth doing.
This lock down is not viable from an economic point of view, we will run out of money to pay the staff and open the hospitals unless there is tax and vat coming in soon which involves us all getting back to work as soon as possible. Harsh maybe but thats the reality.

GazzaL

BanditLuke wrote: »

No, deaths are the only true indicator of how we are doing.

A ramping up of enforcement is needed countrywide but especially in the Dublin region.

Giving Paddy Duffy in Drumshanbo a whack off a baton for straying 2.1km from his house won't help to solve the problem in Dublin nursing homes.

We have a worse death rate per million than the US.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-million?year=2020-04-20

123. 54 Ireland

122.91 USA

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BanditLuke wrote: »

Shocking numbers today. As I said last week the lacklustre attitudes of some and absense of enforcement of the soft lockdown is going to cost us all big time. Still no wearing of masks whilst outside not compulsory is a farce.

Chances of withdrawal of restrictions over the first 2 weeks of May is now very unlikely.

'..Department of Health has reported 77 more people with Covid-19 have died', the key word in this sentence is 'with'.

BanditLuke wrote: »

We have a worse death rate per million than the US.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-million?year=2020-04-20

123. 54 Ireland

122.91 USA

What criteria is the US using when reporting deaths compared to Ireland?

Sam Hain

Idbatterim wrote: »

That government, Harris, Varadkar, the lot of them, they are despised by many here, have ZERO credibility and have the authority of the boy scouts! I honestly cant see their plan , which is basically no plan,to be tolerated here for much longer , like I said, given how disliked they are, based on their pathetic governance and lack of action, these last few years!

How many times and in how many different threads do you need to post this same thing. We get it, you're disgruntled and blinded by misplaced resentment.

briany

BanditLuke wrote: »

We have a worse death rate per million than the US.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-million?year=2020-04-20

123. 54 Ireland

122.91 USA

Not really a fair comparison. Most of the U.S. deaths are within New York state. No other state is anywhere near as bad as hit yet.

729 New York

122.91 Ireland

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Sam Hain wrote: »

How many times and in how many different threads do you need to post this same thing. We get it, you're disgruntled and blinded by misplaced resentment.

the arguments I am reading in many foreign press and experts, make a far better case for the importance of trying to get back to some normality, than the Irish media, copy and paste jobs. There is no objectivity here...

pjohnson

Sam Hain wrote: »

How many times and in how many different threads do you need to post this same thing. We get it, you're disgruntled and blinded by misplaced resentment.

I'm pretty sure he voted FG aswell :pac: he flip flopped a lot mind so maybe it was SF for those 24 hours :pac:

The word vomit is amusing.

keynes

briany wrote: »

Not really a fair comparison. Most of the U.S. deaths are within New York state. No other state is anywhere near as bad as hit yet.

729 New York

122.91 Ireland

Sorry, but comparing Ireland to NYC is outlandish

BanditLuke wrote: »

No, deaths are the only true indicator of how we are doing.

A ramping up of enforcement is needed countrywide but especially in the Dublin region.

They're an indicator of how we're coping with the cases we already have, and have had for some time - they are not in an indicator of how well we're doing at slowing down the virus.

If you were to make a change today, you wouldn't know for at least two weeks what effect it has.

Cork Boy 53

Idbatterim wrote: »

That government, Harris, Varadkar, the lot of them, they are despised by many here, have ZERO credibility and have the authority of the boy scouts! I honestly cant see their plan , which is basically no plan,to be tolerated here for much longer , like I said, given how disliked they are, based on their pathetic governance and lack of action, these last few years!

Bad and all as things are with deaths and ICU admissions/new cases etc. if SF had been in government when the virus spread here then things would now be far far worse.

jmayo

Nermal wrote: »

Energy is wealth. You're compelled by law to look on from your home as it evaporates.

https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1250333876716597251

Energy is wealth to the oil and gas companies and their investors.
The rest of us have to cough up for any energy we use.

Oh and energy is wealth for the states that have large oil and gas deposits and the vast vast majority of those barring the likes of Norway are unmitigated shyteholes run for the most part by despots who don't exactly share the energy wealth around.

facehugger99 wrote: »

Not to worry, there is a 92 year old dude in hospital hooked up to life-support that is giving them a big thumbs-up for the extra few weeks of 'life' he's been given.

You certainly are an extra special kind of ar**hole.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

BanditLuke wrote: »

We have a worse death rate per million than the US.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-million?year=2020-04-20

123. 54 Ireland

122.91 USA

This makes my point above even clearer: the US only went into lockdown recently and is at least a couple of weeks behind us.

Plus it's a much wider demogrpahic and has a president who didn't want to lock the country down in the first place and still isn't keen on the idea.

briany wrote: »

Not really a fair comparison. Most of the U.S. deaths are within New York state. No other state is anywhere near as bad as hit yet.

729 New York

122.91 Ireland

I've no idea what you are trying to imply.

I'm comparing nations not cities and nations.

castletownman

faceman wrote: »

We take it you’ve no kids and you’re missing the pints?

No kids, but missing the fact that my working life is the tourism industry during the week and reporting on live sporting events at the weekend, both of which are fooked for the foreseeable.

So actually, the ability to have a pint would at least take the edge off things.

alwald

Some people are using this virus to justify their thoughts on the government. Most EU countries chose the path of restrictions to limit the impact of this new virus, and they did so based on the limited knowledge they had about C-19.
The Irish government took very good measures earlier than some countries which can only be applauded.