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Relaxation of restrictions

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  • #9032
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,089 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    easypazz wrote: »
    Nobody is suggesting pubs in May, at least not seriously. Middle of June for a phased reopening is more likely, assuming numbers of new cases stay where they need to be by then.

    Apologies, I must have picked this chap up wrong.........
    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Let the pubs with beer gardens open. Keep the benches apart. Every pup closed for years isn't any kind of solution. Discrimination is going to be key, if your pub can't keep people apart well then you can't open.


  • #9033
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    JRant wrote: »
    You'll have to explain to me then how this is a fair minded virus then, as you described it.

    I can't put it any simpler so sorry if you don't understand the post.


  • #9034
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Breezin wrote: »
    But it kinda sounds like you do.

    How?


  • #9035
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    In fairness, what were the Garda supposed to do? They shouldn't have been allowed come here in the first place, British police should have gotten to them before they were getting on ferries.
    The Garda would have had nowhere to send them, it's a bloody convoy.
    You can't really apply normal rules to these people.

    We most certainly can and should apply normal rules to every person in the state. Travellers should not get to choose which rules will apply to them.


  • #9036
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ZX7R wrote: »
    We will follow Germany's relaxing of restrictions.
    As will most EU members.
    By the time we do we'll have had at least half a dozen to look at. Should be variations on a theme anyway.


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  • #9037
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,459 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Dr Catherine Motherway on Sean O Rourke on RTE Radio 1 now saying she expects very limited easing of the restrictions from 5th May and that she is of the opinion that there will be continuous cycles of lockdowns and partial easing until such time as a vaccine is developed.

    Again no guarantee of an effective vaccine and there isn't really a timescale on it. WHO have been pretty vocal in saying we'll need to learn to live alongside this virus while effective treatment and vaccine are hopefully engineered by scientists


  • #9038
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Dr Catherine Motherway on Sean O Rourke on RTE Radio 1 now saying she expects very limited easing of the restrictions from 5th May and that she is of the opinion that there will be continuous cycles of lockdowns and partial easing until such time as a vaccine is developed.

    She must be the 1000th "expert" to throw their tuppence worth in at this stage.

    Its amazing how the media keep pulling people that nobody ever heard of into the mainstream, just to throw out more or less the same thing.

    Gradual easing and possible pullback if things go tits up again.


  • #9039
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,106 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    I'm not saying all pubs only places with the outdoor space to accommodate it, the same for restraunts, cafes etc. Only outside Dublin and adjoining counties though.


  • #9040
    Breezin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭Breezin


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    How?


    Oh, just what you said, the way you said it, and the sneakily implied meaning. It was a short enough post. Don't you remember?


  • #9041
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Dr Motherway doesn`t agree with your viewpoint.

    Doctor Motherway doesn't know any better than the poster when or if a vaccine will be found. It could be next week or it could be never.


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  • #9042
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Breezin wrote: »
    Oh, just what you said, the way you said it, and the sneakily implied meaning. It was a short enough post. Don't you remember?

    What was the implied meaning? You're not very good at explaining yourself.


  • #9043
    GottaGetGatt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,131 ✭✭✭GottaGetGatt


    polesheep wrote: »
    That doctor may be excellent at running an ICU, but she has been almost hysterical since this began and should not be anywhere near decision making regarding restrictions.

    Wouldn’t say she was hysterical. I remember her first interview. She was clear and concise in what she was saying, she had first hand experience of working with the virus and knew the impact it would have on ICU’s if the public didn’t adhere to the restrictions. It was certainly a wake up call to a lot of people to the seriousness of the virus.


  • #9044
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,089 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    I'm not saying all pubs only places with the outdoor space to accommodate it, the same for restraunts, cafes etc. Only outside Dublin and adjoining counties though.

    :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

    Fook all chance of that happening


  • #9045
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,377 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    polesheep wrote: »
    We most certainly can and should apply normal rules to every person in the state. Travellers should not get to choose which rules will apply to them.

    So what could the Garda have done if they stopped this convoy at a road check? Where do they tell them to go or what to do? I have no idea.


  • #9046
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,236 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The imperial college London envoy to the WHO tweeted on Saturday that there is a chance that a vaccine might never be developed. When supposed experts differ so widely in their views re. availability and efficacy of a vaccine, then it seems reckless to base any plan around waiting for one

    As Malcolm Tucker would say "if you're expert doesn't agree with you, you're talking to the wrong expert".

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #9047
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,570 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Give someone a hammer and all their problems start to look like nails.

    We have given these unelected virologists the ultimate hammer and they have proceed to wreck the economy with it. It is a breathtaking dereliction of duty from our Government.

    It has been a spineless response by Ministers more concerned with their 'likes' on social-media than with providing leadership and making tough decisions. Kite-flying has replaced strategy.

    True , and isnt this exactly what has been going g on for years?


  • #9048
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    Augeo wrote: »
    Apologies, I must have picked this chap up wrong.........

    Where does he say May?


  • #9049
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Beer gardens should open, pubs weren't the cause of the spread. Health workers should keep away from them and their family members.

    What evidence do you have for that? To take one example remember the Temple Bar carry on the weekend before the pubs were closed? I would think they very much played a large part in spreading the virus.


  • #9050
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,957 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Going by her comments on the SOR programme she is more hopeful rather than confident.

    like the rest of us,

    she doesnt really have a clue if there will be a vaccine or not.


  • #9051
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,089 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    easypazz wrote: »
    Where does he say May?

    where does he say from mid June?


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  • #9052
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,236 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    I can't put it any simpler so sorry if you don't understand the post.

    Oh I understand that post alright. It wasn't funny or clever.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #9053
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    JRant wrote: »
    Oh I understand that post alright. It wasn't funny or clever.

    I suspect you do understand it fully. Which is why I'll leave you to your deliberate misinterpretation.


  • #9054
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    What harm would opening the schools do? The kids would just be going home after school, if they catch it they will only spread it in the household. There would need to be exceptions of course for any kids with a underlying condition, households with vulnerable people, healthcare workers and retirement home staff.
    I'm now off the opinion that we have to learn to live with this thing, as we don't know when or if we'll have a vaccine. This virus is here to stay so we have to let it spread at some point in a controlled as possible manner. Healthy kids and their healthy parents are not going to topple the healthcare system.


  • #9055
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    GottaGetGatt wrote: »
    Wouldn’t say she was hysterical. I remember her first interview. She was clear and concise in what she was saying, she had first hand experience of working with the virus and knew the impact it would have on ICU’s if the public didn’t adhere to the restrictions. It was certainly a wake up call to a lot of people to the seriousness of the virus.

    One of her first appearances was on Prime Time and she was very close to hysterical. Anyway, it wasn't my intention to make comment on Dr Motherway, I'm sure she is a very fine and well respected physician, I just don't think that people like her should allow themselves to be used by the media to comment on things that are outside of their competence.


  • #9056
    Breezin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭Breezin


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    What was the implied meaning? You're not very good at explaining yourself.


    It's pretty futile to spell out further what is already quite clear. Read it again for yourself. Do you not think it's sanctimonious and judgemental and rather relishing the punishment in store for the 'dumbass, dumbass (twice), selfish, stupid', and their relatives?
    It's not that you'd wish the infection on dumbass people attending parties or dumbass people attending funerals, or on their relatives. But to be fair to Covid-19, it usually attacks the selfish and the stupid or their relatives. So, in a way, it's quite fair-minded as viruses go.


  • #9057
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    So what could the Garda have done if they stopped this convoy at a road check? Where do they tell them to go or what to do? I have no idea.

    If they cannot send them back then they direct them to a place of the state's choosing and split them up to ensure social distancing. The travellers should not get to decide where they go.


  • #9058
    Hooked
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Hooked


    Augeo wrote: »
    We'll be back to 70% normality well before there's a vaccine. Most workplaces will be open again over May and June.

    Hospitality and Tourist stuff, well I reckon 2020 might be a right off.

    Local tourism only I reckon hopefully.


    THIS!!!


    We have to learn to live with this bastard virus.

    I'm no more at risk outside the 2km, within my family unit, than I am now... ONCE I adhere to all the current practices.

    If I was too take off in my camper for 3 days - I'd be going to the same petrol station and supermarket as I am now - and smart enough to know that I need to practice physical distancing while on-site, same as I would if I went for a small walk with my dogs today.

    Theres a LOT we can get back to doing - while still being in a "lockdown" frame of mind!!!


  • #9059
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,957 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    polesheep wrote: »
    One of her first appearances was on Prime Time and she was very close to hysterical. Anyway, it wasn't my intention to make comment on Dr Motherway, I'm sure she is a very fine and well respected physician, I just don't think that people like her should allow themselves to be used by the media to comment on things that are outside of their competence.

    indeed

    people need to realise these doctors are specialists in one field, and anything they offer on another field is just an opinion like anyone elses.


  • #9060
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Breezin wrote: »
    It's pretty futile to spell out further what is already quite clear. Read it again for yourself. Do you not think it's sanctimonious and judgemental and rather relishing the punishment in store for the 'dumbass, dumbass (twice), selfish, stupid', and their relatives?

    I said I wouldn't wish the infection on anyone. In your own rush to be sanctimonious and judgemental you might have missed that. Do I think people who gather in large groups during a lethal pandemic are dumbasses? Absolutely. Are they selfish and stupid? Absolutely. Having been spread around by the dumbasses, is it fair that the virus should then kill those people and their relatives instead of me an my relatives? Absolutely.


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  • #9061
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,106 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    What evidence do you have for that? To take one example remember the Temple Bar carry on the weekend before the pubs were closed? I would think they very much played a large part in spreading the virus.

    Social media hysteria and a knee jerk reaction from government. There's a lot of media driving hysteria. Again that was Dublin it's not a reflection on the rest of the country, I was in Killarney that night and the pubs closed as they couldn't control the crowds. So there's us down the country showing common sense and we're all locked down because of the dirty auld town.
    We can't keep treating Dublin like the rest of the country. 38 dead in Dublin yesterday, 1 in the rest of the country, absolutely unfair to ban travel for people outside the pale.


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