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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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JRant

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The imperial college London envoy to the WHO tweeted on Saturday that there is a chance that a vaccine might never be developed. When supposed experts differ so widely in their views re. availability and efficacy of a vaccine, then it seems reckless to base any plan around waiting for one

As Malcolm Tucker would say "if you're expert doesn't agree with you, you're talking to the wrong expert".

Thelonious Monk

polesheep wrote: »

We most certainly can and should apply normal rules to every person in the state. Travellers should not get to choose which rules will apply to them.

So what could the Garda have done if they stopped this convoy at a road check? Where do they tell them to go or what to do? I have no idea.

[Deleted User]

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'm not saying all pubs only places with the outdoor space to accommodate it, the same for restraunts, cafes etc. Only outside Dublin and adjoining counties though.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Fook all chance of that happening

GottaGetGatt

polesheep wrote: »

That doctor may be excellent at running an ICU, but she has been almost hysterical since this began and should not be anywhere near decision making regarding restrictions.

Wouldn’t say she was hysterical. I remember her first interview. She was clear and concise in what she was saying, she had first hand experience of working with the virus and knew the impact it would have on ICU’s if the public didn’t adhere to the restrictions. It was certainly a wake up call to a lot of people to the seriousness of the virus.

Professor Moriarty

Breezin wrote: »

Oh, just what you said, the way you said it, and the sneakily implied meaning. It was a short enough post. Don't you remember?

What was the implied meaning? You're not very good at explaining yourself.

polesheep

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Dr Motherway doesn`t agree with your viewpoint.

Doctor Motherway doesn't know any better than the poster when or if a vaccine will be found. It could be next week or it could be never.

Breezin

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

How?

Oh, just what you said, the way you said it, and the sneakily implied meaning. It was a short enough post. Don't you remember?

drunkmonkey

I'm not saying all pubs only places with the outdoor space to accommodate it, the same for restraunts, cafes etc. Only outside Dublin and adjoining counties though.

easypazz

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Dr Catherine Motherway on Sean O Rourke on RTE Radio 1 now saying she expects very limited easing of the restrictions from 5th May and that she is of the opinion that there will be continuous cycles of lockdowns and partial easing until such time as a vaccine is developed.

She must be the 1000th "expert" to throw their tuppence worth in at this stage.

Its amazing how the media keep pulling people that nobody ever heard of into the mainstream, just to throw out more or less the same thing.

Gradual easing and possible pullback if things go tits up again.

stephenjmcd

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Dr Catherine Motherway on Sean O Rourke on RTE Radio 1 now saying she expects very limited easing of the restrictions from 5th May and that she is of the opinion that there will be continuous cycles of lockdowns and partial easing until such time as a vaccine is developed.

Again no guarantee of an effective vaccine and there isn't really a timescale on it. WHO have been pretty vocal in saying we'll need to learn to live alongside this virus while effective treatment and vaccine are hopefully engineered by scientists

is_that_so

ZX7R wrote: »

We will follow Germany's relaxing of restrictions.
As will most EU members.

By the time we do we'll have had at least half a dozen to look at. Should be variations on a theme anyway.

polesheep

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

In fairness, what were the Garda supposed to do? They shouldn't have been allowed come here in the first place, British police should have gotten to them before they were getting on ferries.
The Garda would have had nowhere to send them, it's a bloody convoy.
You can't really apply normal rules to these people.

We most certainly can and should apply normal rules to every person in the state. Travellers should not get to choose which rules will apply to them.

Professor Moriarty

Breezin wrote: »

But it kinda sounds like you do.

How?

Professor Moriarty

JRant wrote: »

You'll have to explain to me then how this is a fair minded virus then, as you described it.

I can't put it any simpler so sorry if you don't understand the post.

[Deleted User]

easypazz wrote: »

Nobody is suggesting pubs in May, at least not seriously. Middle of June for a phased reopening is more likely, assuming numbers of new cases stay where they need to be by then.

Apologies, I must have picked this chap up wrong.........

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Let the pubs with beer gardens open. Keep the benches apart. Every pup closed for years isn't any kind of solution. Discrimination is going to be key, if your pub can't keep people apart well then you can't open.

is_that_so

JL555 wrote: »

It seems like there's lot's of hysterical humans here with a strong urge to rush to a snap judgement on others.

Things I have learnt during this crisis - Vol MCXXXIIII!

ZX7R

We will follow Germany's relaxing of restrictions.
As will most EU members.

drunkmonkey

Augeo wrote: »

Indeed, however it will be via an easing of restrictions. You mention pubs being reopened, that wont happen in May, nor should it.

Beer gardens should open, pubs weren't the cause of the spread. Health workers should keep away from them and their family members.

polesheep

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Dr Catherine Motherway on Sean O Rourke on RTE Radio 1 now saying she expects very limited easing of the restrictions from 5th May and that she is of the opinion that there will be continuous cycles of lockdowns and partial easing until such time as a vaccine is developed.

That doctor may be excellent at running an ICU, but she has been almost hysterical since this began and should not be anywhere near decision making regarding restrictions.

Breezin

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

It's not that you'd wish the infection on dumbass people attending parties or dumbass people attending funerals, or on their relatives.

But it kinda sounds like you do.

[Deleted User]

We'll be back to 70% normality well before there's a vaccine. Most workplaces will be open again over May and June.

Hospitality and Tourist stuff, well I reckon 2020 might be a right off.

Local tourism only I reckon hopefully.

Cork Boy 53

Cyrus wrote: »

and she thinks there will be a vaccine?

Going by her comments on the SOR programme she is more hopeful rather than confident.

is_that_so

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Dr Catherine Motherway on Sean O Rourke on RTE Radio 1 now saying she expects very limited easing of the restrictions from 5th May and that she is of the opinion that there will be continuous cycles of lockdowns and partial easing until such time as a vaccine is developed.

I'm sure she's immensely able in her own IC area but I wish they wouldn't stray out into other lanes. Not that I completely blame them. Journos need to fill airtime and print. Realise I've become a big fan of CMO not saying anything till it needs to be said.

VonLuck

JL555 wrote: »

It seems like there's lot's of hysterical humans here with a strong urge to rush to a snap judgement on others.

Welcome to Boards.

[Deleted User]

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Dr Motherway doesn`t agree with your viewpoint.

The imperial college London envoy to the WHO tweeted on Saturday that there is a chance that a vaccine might never be developed. When supposed experts differ so widely in their views re. availability and efficacy of a vaccine, then it seems reckless to base any plan around waiting for one

JRant

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Glad you find it funny and thanks for the ad hominem. I just don't hold or go to parties at the moment because I don't want to be part of spreading the infection and killing people. I'm surprised I have to explain this to you.

You'll have to explain to me then how this is a fair minded virus then, as you described it.

easypazz

Augeo wrote: »

Indeed, however it will be via an easing of restrictions. You mention pubs being reopened, that wont happen in May, nor should it.

Nobody is suggesting pubs in May, at least not seriously. Middle of June for a phased reopening is more likely, assuming numbers of new cases stay where they need to be by then.

Cyrus

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Dr Motherway doesn`t agree with your viewpoint.

so when does she think there will be a vaccine? does she have any expertise in developing vaccines?

Quantum Erasure

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

In fairness, what were the Garda supposed to do? They shouldn't have been allowed come here in the first place, British police should have gotten to them before they were getting on ferries.
The Garda would have had nowhere to send them, it's a bloody convoy.
You can't really apply normal rules to these people.

I'd say the brits were only too happy to see them leave...

[Deleted User]

Augeo wrote: »

Indeed, it's mad.
The seriousness of Covid19 is lost on so many.

I do think that it is lost on many. Personally I don’t know anyone who is sick, and I avoid the news other than a brief once-a-day check in. I just work and try to not be too much of a dick when it comes to the exercise etc. So it does seem abstract, even to me, and I can understand why the whole thing is not something that a lot of people can relate to. And in that context, I’m not surprised by the increasing level of rule breaking (exacerbated by the weather, which undoubtedly will break as soon as we are let out of this lockdown!)