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Relaxation of restrictions

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  • #8612
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,955 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    How sad when people are downplaying what doctors and nurses have done for us so far so that we can go back to the pub?

    these are the people that care for cancer patients , trauma patients , pregnant wives and sisters everyday ? What's with the all of a sudden praise when the reality is they do an amazing job every day ? If I was a doctor I'd be pretty annoyed to see all this patronising praise to be honest


  • #8613
    [Deleted User]
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    andrew1977 wrote: »
    I work in a small office of 12 people or so , not sure how we would manage social distancing in the work space we have if restrictions are eased in a couple of weeks.

    We have all worked from home during this crisis and work all done just as efficiently.

    If easing of restrictions come into play in 2 weeks time,will we realistically all be summoned back to the working office environment or workers who can work from home be told to continue to do so ?
    Any thoughts ? Thanks

    If they can't facilitate social distancing you won't be back there in a few weeks.
    Most places that can have folk working from home will continue with that to some extent, especially if efficiency etc hasn't been an issue to date and they can't implement 2m between folk at desk. IMO.


  • #8614
    [Deleted User]
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    Cyrus wrote: »
    these are the people that care for cancer patients , trauma patients , pregnant wives and sisters everyday ? What's with the all of a sudden praise when the reality is they do an amazing job every day ? If I was a doctor I'd be pretty annoyed to see all this patronising praise to be honest

    Indeed, it's a tad multi national corporation t0ss, IMO.


  • #8615
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    easypazz wrote: »
    Nobody downplaying anything.

    But I have seen nothing to suggest the hospitals are overwhelmed here.

    Compared to new york, spain, italy and UK.

    Would that have anything to do with the restriction measures that we took?


  • #8616
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    The new graph shows death by day of occurrence. Let's not over-complicate.


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  • #8617
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,234 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    Look at Italy, Madrid, China if you want to understand what a lock down is.

    There are posters here from Spain explaining this in posts - but you don't want to listen to the truth.

    Is there any proof that the measure in Italy and Madrid have been any more successful than ours in stopping the spread?

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058v1

    This Study from China shows that of several hundred outbreaks, none occurred in an outdoor environment.
    From over 1200 infection only two happened outdoors.
    wrote:
    Case reports were extracted from the local Municipal Health Commissions of 320 prefectural cities (municipalities) in China, not including Hubei province, between 4 January and 11 February 2020. We identified all outbreaks involving three or more cases and reviewed the major characteristics of the enclosed spaces in which the outbreaks were reported and associated indoor environmental issues. Results: Three hundred and eighteen outbreaks with three or more cases were identified, involving 1245 confirmed cases in 120 prefectural cities. We divided the venues in which the outbreaks occurred into six categories: homes, transport, food, entertainment, shopping, and miscellaneous. Among the identified outbreaks, 53.8% involved three cases, 26.4% involved four cases, and only 1.6% involved ten or more cases. Home outbreaks were the dominant category (254 of 318 outbreaks; 79.9%), followed by transport (108; 34.0%; note that many outbreaks involved more than one venue category). Most home outbreaks involved three to five cases. We identified only a single outbreak in an outdoor environment, which involved two cases. Conclusions: All identified outbreaks of three or more cases occurred in an indoor environment, which confirms that sharing indoor space is a major SARS-CoV-2 infection risk.


  • #8618
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Cyrus wrote: »
    these are the people that care for cancer patients , trauma patients , pregnant wives and sisters everyday ? What's with the all of a sudden praise when the reality is they do an amazing job every day ? If I was a doctor I'd be pretty annoyed to see all this patronising praise to be honest


    Because HSE is making an extra effort to handle Covid while keeping the non-Covid related medical issues going, and here you have people saying that there is no medical emergency. Maybe if hospitals are still operating ok it's because of the extra effort made


  • #8619
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    Would that have anything to do with the restriction measures that we took?

    That was the whole purpose of them.

    Is that another thing you don't understand.


  • #8620
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Is there any proof that the measure in Italy and Madrid have been any more successful than ours in stopping the spread?

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058v1

    This Study from China shows that of several hundred outbreaks, none occurred in an outdoor environment.
    From over 1200 infection only two happened outdoors.


    Italy and Spain have decreased the number of daily infected, we haven't
    outbreaks in an indoor environment takes place only if someone brings in the virus from another place, thus the restrictions


  • #8621
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    easypazz wrote: »
    That was the whole purpose of them.

    Is that another thing you don't understand.

    Glad your in agreement with me :)


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  • #8622
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    Second wave is just hitting Northern Japan after relaxation of restrictions.


  • #8623
    completedit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    The way we have framed the crisis has just changed. The masses are just where some of us were like 6 weeks ago in terms of accepting the situation. Now the whole narrative has changed that we can get back to business as usual while people die and even if there is a spike those people will just be viewed as collateral damage. Simple psychology. We just get used to certain things and people dying by Covid will just be the norm. Business as usual


  • #8624
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,853 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    From what I’ve seen everything has been back to normal since the bank holiday weekend finished last week.


  • #8625
    [Deleted User]
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    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Nothing sensationalist about that at all. If a vaccine is not developed for another 12 to 15 months or so it could quite easily be the case.

    At the same time it is hard to see that a strategy is followed that sees pubs closed until, say, June 2021, based on the assumption that there will be a vaccine. When the WHO themselves are saying that there is a chance that there will never be an effective vaccine, and that we might just have to learn to live with it. How do you close an industry to a point in time that might never arrive? At some stage you have to redesign the industry such that contagion risk can be minimised as much as is possible.


  • #8626
    risteard7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭risteard7


    easypazz wrote: »
    Nobody downplaying anything.

    But I have seen nothing to suggest the hospitals are overwhelmed here.

    Compared to new york, spain, italy and UK.

    I work in a Hospital, this is true. It has never been quieter. The worse part is putting on the PPE. We have 2 wards closed because we just dont have the patients! Dont buy into this "Hero" sh**te. Yes certain Hospitals might be busy but it's nothing out of the norm


  • #8627
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,236 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    andrew1977 wrote: »
    I work in a small office of 12 people or so , not sure how we would manage social distancing in the work space we have if restrictions are eased in a couple of weeks.

    We have all worked from home during this crisis and work all done just as efficiently.

    If easing of restrictions come into play in 2 weeks time,will we realistically all be summoned back to the working office environment or workers who can work from home be told to continue to do so ?
    Any thoughts ? Thanks

    The suggestion at the moment seems to be that those who can work from home would continue to do so.


  • #8628
    Gooser14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Gooser14


    ReginaldSmythV wrote:
    From what I’ve seen everything has been back to normal since the bank holiday weekend finished last week.

    Obviously your view of normal differs from what I consider normal. I haven't seen any restaurants or pubs opening in my area.


  • #8629
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    ReginaldSmythV wrote: »
    From what I’ve seen everything has been back to normal since the bank holiday weekend finished last week.

    Ah yeah. Great meal out last night in my favourite restaurant, followed by a couple of pints in the local.
    Summer around the corner; really looking forward to a couple of weeks on the Costa.


  • #8630
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,377 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    easypazz wrote: »
    What are we allowed do here that is not allowed in Spain?

    Go for a walk?

    People in Spain can leave once a day to go to chemist or supermarket, that's all.
    Here you can spend all day in a park, groups of teenagers can go to local centra for an energy drink, you can take your kids to the shops, many times a day if you like, you can go jogging, cycling, etc.
    Businesses are closed here, and there's a 2km radius supposedly in place which is not adhered to.
    There is no lockdown here really.


  • #8631
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,886 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Hearty80 wrote: »
    Actually the only thing overwhelmed is there psychiatry department, because of this lockdown or whatever we call it in Ireland.

    And probably not even yet. The full story and mental health toll will only play out in the next year or so.


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  • #8632
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,886 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    polesheep wrote: »
    I'm about to go for a cycle with my wife, a nurse. She's enjoying her weekend off and not feeling at all exhausted. She was told that she should be going back to her own specialist unit next week as she is no longer required for Covid19 duties.

    That’s good to hear- there is bound to be a big back log of non covid related treatments and conditions that need seeing to ASAP


  • #8633
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,955 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Because HSE is making an extra effort to handle Covid while keeping the non-Covid related medical issues going, and here you have people saying that there is no medical emergency. Maybe if hospitals are still operating ok it's because of the extra effort made

    Are people working double shifts or more hours than normal ?


  • #8634
    pgj2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,038 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    People in Spain can leave once a day to go to chemist or supermarket, that's all.
    Here you can spend all day in a park, groups of teenagers can go to local centra for an energy drink, you can take your kids to the shops, many times a day if you like, you can go jogging, cycling, etc.
    Businesses are closed here, and there's a 2km radius supposedly in place which is not adhered to.
    There is no lockdown here really.



    what about the checkpoints where people are told to turn back and people being questioned on the streets by the guards?


  • #8635
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Cyrus wrote: »
    Are people working double shifts or more hours than normal ?


    That's what i call downplaying.
    HSE had to reorganized hospitals in order to separate Covid from non-Covid. Train staff, provide for extra masks and protective equipment, plan ahead for the unknown and all you see is overtime?


  • #8636
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    pgj2015 wrote: »
    what about the checkpoints where people are told to turn back and people being questioned on the streets by the guards?


    They are required to make sure people comply with soft rules we have here


  • #8637
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,023 ✭✭✭growleaves




  • #8638
    lainey_d_123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭lainey_d_123


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    People in Spain can leave once a day to go to chemist or supermarket, that's all.
    Here you can spend all day in a park, groups of teenagers can go to local centra for an energy drink, you can take your kids to the shops, many times a day if you like, you can go jogging, cycling, etc.
    Businesses are closed here, and there's a 2km radius supposedly in place which is not adhered to.
    There is no lockdown here really.

    The only difference is that people in Ireland can go out for some exercise. That's literally it. The fact the Gardai aren't enforcing any of it as strictly as the Spanish police doesn't mean there isn't a lockdown.

    There should not be groups of teenagers going to Centra for an energy drink, people should not be taking their kids to the shops many times a day, people should not be hanging around outside. Those people are taking the p1ss. They're just less likely to be fined for it.


  • #8639
    the kelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭the kelt


    risteard7 wrote: »
    I work in a Hospital, this is true. It has never been quieter. The worse part is putting on the PPE. We have 2 wards closed because we just dont have the patients! Dont buy into this "Hero" sh**te. Yes certain Hospitals might be busy but it's nothing out of the norm

    To be honest I think the hero stuff should be played up more, if for nothing else it might readjust people’s compass rather than the social media nobody worship we see in today’s world, might make people appreciate more their own neighbours etc.

    But it’s interesting to note about certain hospitals managing things quite well which is great to hear, that aspect no doubt is a huge consideration in terms of what restrictions to ease etc


  • #8640
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    lainey_d_123 wrote: »
    The only difference is that people in Ireland can go out for some exercise. That's literally it. The fact the Gardai aren't enforcing any of it as strictly as the Spanish police doesn't mean there isn't a lockdown.

    There should not be groups of teenagers going to Centra for an energy drink, people should not be taking their kids to the shops many times a day, people should not be hanging around outside. Those people are taking the p1ss. They're just less likely to be fined for it.

    Exactly. We have a full lockdown just lack of enforcement.

    If the hospitals were at breaking point I would expect enforcement to be tougher.

    No exercise would hugely constrain people but could be counter productive.

    If we had managed to avoid this getting into nursing homes the numbers would be very low I feel.


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  • #8641
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    Cyrus wrote: »
    Are people working double shifts or more hours than normal ?

    A friends wife is HSE but not a nurse or doctor. In a lab or something traditionally handy. She's doing 6 or 7 day weeks.

    He's a computer software validation engineer/consultant and is more or less not working as they've kids.... He's doing Daddy daycare.


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