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Relaxation of restrictions

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Simon Harris curiously made a comment that there was a limit to how long people could put up with extreme level of restrictions as we currently have. Already we’re seeing in Italy that people are starting to get restless. So two big questions:

1) on Easter Sunday, do you think there will be further restrictions, no change with just an extension or some relaxation?

2) what will be the first thing rolled back?

My own guess would be: extension for at least 1 week. Then to allow some businesses like DIY shops to reopen, perhaps allow gatherings of 2/3 people, maybe a token increase on 2km.

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Cyrus

Mic 1972 wrote: »

How sad when people are downplaying what doctors and nurses have done for us so far so that we can go back to the pub?

these are the people that care for cancer patients , trauma patients , pregnant wives and sisters everyday ? What's with the all of a sudden praise when the reality is they do an amazing job every day ? If I was a doctor I'd be pretty annoyed to see all this patronising praise to be honest

[Deleted User]

andrew1977 wrote: »

I work in a small office of 12 people or so , not sure how we would manage social distancing in the work space we have if restrictions are eased in a couple of weeks.

We have all worked from home during this crisis and work all done just as efficiently.

If easing of restrictions come into play in 2 weeks time,will we realistically all be summoned back to the working office environment or workers who can work from home be told to continue to do so ?
Any thoughts ? Thanks

If they can't facilitate social distancing you won't be back there in a few weeks.
Most places that can have folk working from home will continue with that to some extent, especially if efficiency etc hasn't been an issue to date and they can't implement 2m between folk at desk. IMO.

[Deleted User]

Cyrus wrote: »

these are the people that care for cancer patients , trauma patients , pregnant wives and sisters everyday ? What's with the all of a sudden praise when the reality is they do an amazing job every day ? If I was a doctor I'd be pretty annoyed to see all this patronising praise to be honest

Indeed, it's a tad multi national corporation t0ss, IMO.

Ace2007

easypazz wrote: »

Nobody downplaying anything.

But I have seen nothing to suggest the hospitals are overwhelmed here.

Compared to new york, spain, italy and UK.

Would that have anything to do with the restriction measures that we took?

Snow Garden

The new graph shows death by day of occurrence. Let's not over-complicate.

normanoffside

Ace2007 wrote: »

Look at Italy, Madrid, China if you want to understand what a lock down is.

There are posters here from Spain explaining this in posts - but you don't want to listen to the truth.

Is there any proof that the measure in Italy and Madrid have been any more successful than ours in stopping the spread?

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058v1

This Study from China shows that of several hundred outbreaks, none occurred in an outdoor environment.
From over 1200 infection only two happened outdoors.

wrote:

Case reports were extracted from the local Municipal Health Commissions of 320 prefectural cities (municipalities) in China, not including Hubei province, between 4 January and 11 February 2020. We identified all outbreaks involving three or more cases and reviewed the major characteristics of the enclosed spaces in which the outbreaks were reported and associated indoor environmental issues. Results: Three hundred and eighteen outbreaks with three or more cases were identified, involving 1245 confirmed cases in 120 prefectural cities. We divided the venues in which the outbreaks occurred into six categories: homes, transport, food, entertainment, shopping, and miscellaneous. Among the identified outbreaks, 53.8% involved three cases, 26.4% involved four cases, and only 1.6% involved ten or more cases. Home outbreaks were the dominant category (254 of 318 outbreaks; 79.9%), followed by transport (108; 34.0%; note that many outbreaks involved more than one venue category). Most home outbreaks involved three to five cases. We identified only a single outbreak in an outdoor environment, which involved two cases. Conclusions: All identified outbreaks of three or more cases occurred in an indoor environment, which confirms that sharing indoor space is a major SARS-CoV-2 infection risk.

Mic 1972

Cyrus wrote: »

these are the people that care for cancer patients , trauma patients , pregnant wives and sisters everyday ? What's with the all of a sudden praise when the reality is they do an amazing job every day ? If I was a doctor I'd be pretty annoyed to see all this patronising praise to be honest

Because HSE is making an extra effort to handle Covid while keeping the non-Covid related medical issues going, and here you have people saying that there is no medical emergency. Maybe if hospitals are still operating ok it's because of the extra effort made

easypazz

Ace2007 wrote: »

Would that have anything to do with the restriction measures that we took?

That was the whole purpose of them.

Is that another thing you don't understand.

Mic 1972

normanoffside wrote: »

Is there any proof that the measure in Italy and Madrid have been any more successful than ours in stopping the spread?

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058v1

This Study from China shows that of several hundred outbreaks, none occurred in an outdoor environment.
From over 1200 infection only two happened outdoors.

Italy and Spain have decreased the number of daily infected, we haven't
outbreaks in an indoor environment takes place only if someone brings in the virus from another place, thus the restrictions

Ace2007

easypazz wrote: »

That was the whole purpose of them.

Is that another thing you don't understand.

Glad your in agreement with me

cloudatlas

Second wave is just hitting Northern Japan after relaxation of restrictions.

completedit

The way we have framed the crisis has just changed. The masses are just where some of us were like 6 weeks ago in terms of accepting the situation. Now the whole narrative has changed that we can get back to business as usual while people die and even if there is a spike those people will just be viewed as collateral damage. Simple psychology. We just get used to certain things and people dying by Covid will just be the norm. Business as usual

[Deleted User]

From what I’ve seen everything has been back to normal since the bank holiday weekend finished last week.

[Deleted User]

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Nothing sensationalist about that at all. If a vaccine is not developed for another 12 to 15 months or so it could quite easily be the case.

At the same time it is hard to see that a strategy is followed that sees pubs closed until, say, June 2021, based on the assumption that there will be a vaccine. When the WHO themselves are saying that there is a chance that there will never be an effective vaccine, and that we might just have to learn to live with it. How do you close an industry to a point in time that might never arrive? At some stage you have to redesign the industry such that contagion risk can be minimised as much as is possible.

risteard7

easypazz wrote: »

Nobody downplaying anything.

But I have seen nothing to suggest the hospitals are overwhelmed here.

Compared to new york, spain, italy and UK.

I work in a Hospital, this is true. It has never been quieter. The worse part is putting on the PPE. We have 2 wards closed because we just dont have the patients! Dont buy into this "Hero" sh**te. Yes certain Hospitals might be busy but it's nothing out of the norm

Jim_Hodge

andrew1977 wrote: »

I work in a small office of 12 people or so , not sure how we would manage social distancing in the work space we have if restrictions are eased in a couple of weeks.

We have all worked from home during this crisis and work all done just as efficiently.

If easing of restrictions come into play in 2 weeks time,will we realistically all be summoned back to the working office environment or workers who can work from home be told to continue to do so ?
Any thoughts ? Thanks

The suggestion at the moment seems to be that those who can work from home would continue to do so.

Gooser14

ReginaldSmythV wrote:

From what Iâ€™ve seen everything has been back to normal since the bank holiday weekend finished last week.

Obviously your view of normal differs from what I consider normal. I haven't seen any restaurants or pubs opening in my area.

Phoebas

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

From what I’ve seen everything has been back to normal since the bank holiday weekend finished last week.

Ah yeah. Great meal out last night in my favourite restaurant, followed by a couple of pints in the local.
Summer around the corner; really looking forward to a couple of weeks on the Costa.

Thelonious Monk

easypazz wrote: »

What are we allowed do here that is not allowed in Spain?

Go for a walk?

People in Spain can leave once a day to go to chemist or supermarket, that's all.
Here you can spend all day in a park, groups of teenagers can go to local centra for an energy drink, you can take your kids to the shops, many times a day if you like, you can go jogging, cycling, etc.
Businesses are closed here, and there's a 2km radius supposedly in place which is not adhered to.
There is no lockdown here really.

road_high

Hearty80 wrote: »

Actually the only thing overwhelmed is there psychiatry department, because of this lockdown or whatever we call it in Ireland.

And probably not even yet. The full story and mental health toll will only play out in the next year or so.

road_high

polesheep wrote: »

I'm about to go for a cycle with my wife, a nurse. She's enjoying her weekend off and not feeling at all exhausted. She was told that she should be going back to her own specialist unit next week as she is no longer required for Covid19 duties.

That’s good to hear- there is bound to be a big back log of non covid related treatments and conditions that need seeing to ASAP

Cyrus

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Because HSE is making an extra effort to handle Covid while keeping the non-Covid related medical issues going, and here you have people saying that there is no medical emergency. Maybe if hospitals are still operating ok it's because of the extra effort made

Are people working double shifts or more hours than normal ?

pgj2015

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

People in Spain can leave once a day to go to chemist or supermarket, that's all.
Here you can spend all day in a park, groups of teenagers can go to local centra for an energy drink, you can take your kids to the shops, many times a day if you like, you can go jogging, cycling, etc.
Businesses are closed here, and there's a 2km radius supposedly in place which is not adhered to.
There is no lockdown here really.

what about the checkpoints where people are told to turn back and people being questioned on the streets by the guards?

Mic 1972

Cyrus wrote: »

Are people working double shifts or more hours than normal ?

That's what i call downplaying.
HSE had to reorganized hospitals in order to separate Covid from non-Covid. Train staff, provide for extra masks and protective equipment, plan ahead for the unknown and all you see is overtime?

Mic 1972

pgj2015 wrote: »

what about the checkpoints where people are told to turn back and people being questioned on the streets by the guards?

They are required to make sure people comply with soft rules we have here

growleaves

lainey_d_123

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

People in Spain can leave once a day to go to chemist or supermarket, that's all.
Here you can spend all day in a park, groups of teenagers can go to local centra for an energy drink, you can take your kids to the shops, many times a day if you like, you can go jogging, cycling, etc.
Businesses are closed here, and there's a 2km radius supposedly in place which is not adhered to.
There is no lockdown here really.

The only difference is that people in Ireland can go out for some exercise. That's literally it. The fact the Gardai aren't enforcing any of it as strictly as the Spanish police doesn't mean there isn't a lockdown.

There should not be groups of teenagers going to Centra for an energy drink, people should not be taking their kids to the shops many times a day, people should not be hanging around outside. Those people are taking the p1ss. They're just less likely to be fined for it.

the kelt

risteard7 wrote: »

I work in a Hospital, this is true. It has never been quieter. The worse part is putting on the PPE. We have 2 wards closed because we just dont have the patients! Dont buy into this "Hero" sh**te. Yes certain Hospitals might be busy but it's nothing out of the norm

To be honest I think the hero stuff should be played up more, if for nothing else it might readjust people’s compass rather than the social media nobody worship we see in today’s world, might make people appreciate more their own neighbours etc.

But it’s interesting to note about certain hospitals managing things quite well which is great to hear, that aspect no doubt is a huge consideration in terms of what restrictions to ease etc

easypazz

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

The only difference is that people in Ireland can go out for some exercise. That's literally it. The fact the Gardai aren't enforcing any of it as strictly as the Spanish police doesn't mean there isn't a lockdown.

There should not be groups of teenagers going to Centra for an energy drink, people should not be taking their kids to the shops many times a day, people should not be hanging around outside. Those people are taking the p1ss. They're just less likely to be fined for it.

Exactly. We have a full lockdown just lack of enforcement.

If the hospitals were at breaking point I would expect enforcement to be tougher.

No exercise would hugely constrain people but could be counter productive.

If we had managed to avoid this getting into nursing homes the numbers would be very low I feel.

[Deleted User]

Cyrus wrote: »

Are people working double shifts or more hours than normal ?

A friends wife is HSE but not a nurse or doctor. In a lab or something traditionally handy. She's doing 6 or 7 day weeks.

He's a computer software validation engineer/consultant and is more or less not working as they've kids.... He's doing Daddy daycare.