Relaxation of restrictions

easypazz

frillyleaf wrote: »

The problem is extremely poor communication from our government. Simon Harris is giving interviews to newspapers talking about schools reopening, Dr. Holohan is saying they won’t.

Simon and Leo said it was essential workers being flown in , they are only reviewing restrictions now on advice of CMO.

Completely irresponsible to be giving such conflicting messages

I fully disagree with them giving interviews to newspapers, who will twist it and run with the most dramatic headline. They will also leave out bits of the interview that often provide balance.

frillyleaf

Hearty80 wrote: »

He never actually said anything about September, muppet Tubridy asked him and he answered we will not know anything until May 6th. He never mentioned September. Unfortunately the majority of deaths are in nursing homes, which in my opinion were always horrendous places and an atrocity waiting to happen. My parents both 86 and working away everyday, agree that the country needs to reopen. This was just a temporary measure to insure hospitals weren't overwhelmed.

Sounds like he’s answering correctly then which is great. Simon giving interviews to papers that charge premiums to read the article is poor communication and leads to frustration in my opinion. People will become complacent. It’s already happening now, people’s behaviour has drastically shifted this weekend from what I can see in my area

gmisk

Hearty80 wrote: »

Will the schools reopen in 3 weeks, seems crazy to leave them closed any longer than that. They never closed in Sweden and now they have less cases than us. Surely they will reopen and get the economy moving again.

Cases aren't a great indicator.

Testing in Sweden 7k per million versus ireland 18k per million roughly, so we are testing far far more people hence likely more cases.

We also have less deaths per million despite including nursing homes etc in our numbers, not sure if Sweden are even doing that.

frillyleaf

easypazz wrote: »

I fully disagree with them giving interviews to newspapers, who will twist it and run with the most dramatic headline. They will also leave out bits of the interview that often provide balance.

Yes it’s extremely poor communication and leads to confusion and frustration as people need to be subscribers to read the information.

munsterlegend

easypazz wrote: »

I fully disagree with them giving interviews to newspapers, who will twist it and run with the most dramatic headline. They will also leave out bits of the interview that often provide balance.

A lot of these interviews are throwing out kites too and seeing how the public react. Sending a child one day a week to school seems absolutely pointless to me.

Hearty80

Stateofyou wrote: »

What on EARTH does that even mean. What point does that even illustrate. About as senseless as some of the rest of the stuff you keep posting.
You also like to use the word indefinitely, as do some other posters. Yet I have never seen anyone else say that or even imply that.
There are still people working and paying tax, some sectors have never shut down as you talk about there yourself. Many work from home. The economy didn't shut down.

Ok I'm done with trying to explain to you, have you any idea of the amount of people receiving the Covid payment?? Its unsustainable. We will drive the country back into a major recession. Restrictions have to and WILL end, just wait and see.

pgj2015

another sensationalist headline from the Independant.

"Coronavirus Ireland Latest Updates: plans for schools to reopen once a week, but pubs could stay shut until vaccine is found"

Cork Boy 53

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Where is here?

Looks like he's in Germany.

Ace2007

frillyleaf wrote: »

The problem is extremely poor communication from our government. Simon Harris is giving interviews to newspapers talking about schools reopening, Dr. Holohan is saying they won’t.

Simon and Leo said it was essential workers being flown in , they are only reviewing restrictions now on advice of CMO.

Completely irresponsible to be giving such conflicting messages

Simon Harris said on a personal level he would like to see them open, but said it's the medical professions call on it.

Cork Boy 53

pgj2015 wrote: »

another sensationalist headline from the Independant.

"Coronavirus Ireland Latest Updates: plans for schools to reopen once a week, but pubs could stay shut until vaccine is found"

Nothing sensationalist about that at all. If a vaccine is not developed for another 12 to 15 months or so it could quite easily be the case.

Jim_Hodge

frillyleaf wrote: »

Sounds like he’s answering correctly then which is great. Simon giving interviews to papers that charge premiums to read the article is poor communication and leads to frustration in my opinion. People will become complacent. It’s already happening now, people’s behaviour has drastically shifted this weekend from what I can see in my area

Ever hear of buying a newspaper?

He's saying nothing different in that interview to what he has said in other print articles, TV and Radio.

pgj2015

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Nothing sensationalist about that at all. If a vaccine is not developed for another 12 to 15 months or so it could quite easily be the case.

not a hope.

easypazz

Ace2007 wrote: »

Simon Harris said on a personal level he would like to see them open, but said it's the medical professions call on it.

He should be sticking to the facts and not spouting his tuppence worth. That is what boards is for.

easypazz

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Every hear of buying a newspaper?

He's saying nothing different in that interview to what he has said in other print articles, TV and Radio.

Why should people have to pay to get information from the health minister?

He should publish a full transcript of the interview FOC, so we get to see what was said exactly, not tit bits.

The chan chan man

I see daily deaths and cases on the rise..

HSE produce a ‘different graph’ as they called it which ‘paints a different picture’.... Now this mornings papers are ‘green light at the end of the tunnel’ and people on social media are on about a “couple more weeks and we’re back to normal life” ... “well done folks!! We did it!”

Am I missing something?! There’s nothing flat about any of the curves I’m seeing and the reality is, this cannot change until we have a mass produced vaccine!

Nermal

Ace2007 wrote: »

Don't you get it, easypazz doesn't care if 10,000 Irish die from the virus, all he wants is for the economy to get back on track.

10,000 people, two thirds who would die within a year anyway. (https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2020/04/15/1586943153000/Why-are-we-really-in-lockdown--/)

Let's be generous and assume that the remaining third would have 10 years left on average. That's 40,000 years of life saved.

Until the present mania gripped our leaders it was national policy not to spend more than €45,000 per year of life saved.
(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26497002)

So if we've really averted 10,000 deaths, we shouldn't have spent more than €1.8bn to do so.

We projected to spend more than twelve times that this year alone!

I think the only way some of you will wake up is when a ration-book pops through the letterbox. After you're done disinfecting it, of course.

Stateofyou

Hearty80 wrote: »

Ok I'm done with trying to explain to you, have you any idea of the amount of people receiving the Covid payment?? Its unsustainable. We will drive the country back into a major recession. Restrictions have to and WILL end, just wait and see.

You have literally never explained anything to me. You seriously talk a lot of nonsense. I just want to know what a dog with a mallet up it's arse actually means - could you at least help me out with that one? Trying to understand what you're saying but I just can't.

Literally NO ONE is saying that receiving the Cover payment is indefinitely sustainable. So what point are you trying to make.

There's a global pandemic.
We're probably going to face a recession as are numerous other countries.
We can't over whelm our health systems. More people would die.
So we have to stay at home and flatten the curve.
We have to bide our time and figure out how we can ease out of this with the least amount of damage and loss of life until/if we have a vaccine or treatment.
Meanwhile people have to eat and pay some bills.
Thats going to suck for the economy but that's the way it is.

What are we missing here.

Restrictions will be eased, we won't be back to normal as such. Rate if transmission is now under 1, number of new cases should fall day on day.

Mic 1972

Hearty80 wrote: »

Are you for real or do you not live in the real world?? How do you think parents all over the world go to work??? Its because there children are at creche, childminders or school. Would you like parents to take their children to work with them?? Or go back to the 1960's??

you seem very agitated in your replies, again, we are in this together
relax and wait until it's safe for everyone to go back to normal

Ace2007

Hearty80 wrote: »

Ok I'm done with trying to explain to you, have you any idea of the amount of people receiving the Covid payment?? Its unsustainable. We will drive the country back into a major recession. Restrictions have to and WILL end, just wait and see.

Everyone accept restriction will end, that's obvious - it's how and when they will.

You have some posters -

• Lord Quack for instance who wants everything lifted tomorrow
  
• You have others who want to take a slow approach over the next 3/4 months and lift restrictions one by one and see the impact they have all our healthcare.
  
• You then have others who want to lock the vulnerable away until we have a vaccine and to society goes back to normal.
  
• My take is the approach of gradually lifting restrictions, and everyone is society has to play their part - so society will change the way it currently operates, the vulnerable can be part of society if they wish, knowing that they have increased risks, and society needs to allow this.

I believe that pubs for instance will be like restaurants - if your prepare to go for a meal with a group of friends and sit beside each other - the same will apply in a pub - but you must make a booking. Pubs can help make up the cost of reduce customers by charging a fee for a table for 2 hours for instance.

Society will learn to live with this virus, normality has changed as we know it - but that's not to say we won't be living our lives as best as we all can.

Hearty80

Stateofyou wrote: »

You have literally never explained anything to me. You seriously talk a lot of nonsense. I just want to know what a dog with a mallet up it's arse actually means - could you at least help me out with that one? Trying to understand what you're saying but I just can't.

Literally NO ONE is saying that receiving the Cover payment is indefinitely sustainable. So what point are you trying to make.

There's a global pandemic.
We're probably going to face a recession as are numerous other countries.
We can't over whelm our health systems. More people would die.
So we have to stay at home and flatten the curve.
We have to bide our time and figure out how we can ease out of this with the least amount of damage and loss of life until/if we have a vaccine or treatment.
Meanwhile people have to eat and pay some bills.
Thats going to suck for the economy but that's the way it is.

What are we missing here.

We have flattened the curve.
Schools all over Europe are planning on reopening, why would ours stay closed?
The health system is not overwhelmed.
We are staying home for 2 more weeks, then that's it.
Time to face reality we are leaving lockdown sooner rather then later.
We will not be waiting for a vaccine to return to work, that's just ridiculous.

The chan chan man

Augeo wrote: »

Restrictions will be eased, we won't be back to normal as such. Rate if transmission is now under 1, number of new cases should fall day on day.

It wont.

I think the “curve” is a different shape to that modelled and initially includes an small peak. Relax the restrictions and you get the second larger wave in the series.

Hearty80

Mic 1972 wrote: »

you seem very agitated in your replies, again, we are in this together
relax and wait until it's safe for everyone to go back to normal

I'm not agitated at all, but insinuating that I use school as childcare whilst I sit at home is ludicrous. I run a small business I don't depend on handouts. So obviously school plays a part in every working parents life.

Cork Boy 53

Stateofyou wrote: »

You have literally never explained anything to me. You seriously talk a lot of nonsense. I just want to know what a dog with a mallet up it's arse actually means - could you at least help me out with that one? Trying to understand what you're saying but I just can't.

Literally NO ONE is saying that receiving the Cover payment is indefinitely sustainable. So what point are you trying to make.

There's a global pandemic.
We're probably going to face a recession as are numerous other countries.
We can't over whelm our health systems. More people would die.
So we have to stay at home and flatten the curve.
We have to bide our time and figure out how we can ease out of this with the least amount of damage and loss of life until/if we have a vaccine or treatment.
Meanwhile people have to eat and pay some bills.
Thats going to suck for the economy but that's the way it is.

What are we missing here.

It doesn`t mean anything. It`s just some random phrase that the poster plucked out of thin air in an effort to make him/her seem cool or hip or whatever when in reality it just makes him/her seem idiotic.

Hearty80

Hearty80 wrote: »

We have flattened the curve.
Schools all over Europe are planning on reopening, why would ours stay closed?
The health system is not overwhelmed.
We are staying home for 2 more weeks, then that's it.
Time to face reality we are leaving lockdown sooner rather then later.
We will not be waiting for a vaccine to return to work, that's just ridiculous.

The talk is they are thinking of opening schools one day a week. Social distancing to remain & no mass gatherings or crowded pubs.

J. Marston

thegills

The new graph is showing the actual no. of deaths vs. reported no. deaths. So on Friday say 40 deaths were reported but say 20 people actually died. So our peak was a week ago at about 40 deaths. I think. Still 20 too many and way too soon to lift any restrictions.

BanditLuke

Ace2007 wrote: »

Ah but easypazz doesnt' care, because the healtcare workers will keep them alive.

Dont' you get it, easypazz doesn't care if 10,000 Irish die from the virus, all he wants is for the economy to get back on track.

In fairness to easypazz I don't think he or anyone wants 10000 dead but he and others just want us back to normal. What he fails to understand or is plain refusing to accept is that is what will happen if we go back to pre restriction Ireland.

BanditLuke

Hearty80 wrote: »

We have flattened the curve.
Schools all over Europe are planning on reopening, why would ours stay closed?
The health system is not overwhelmed.
We are staying home for 2 more weeks, then that's it.
Time to face reality we are leaving lockdown sooner rather then later.
We will not be waiting for a vaccine to return to work, that's just ridiculous.

Why do you think our health system isn't overwhelmed?

fleet_admiral

seamusk84 wrote: »

Great news if true.

Its not true. Ill bet my annual salary on it. Current LVA advice is still the first week of July