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YouTube announces it will no longer recommend conspiracy videos

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,686 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    King Mob wrote: »
    Ok. So then his stance is unacceptable?
    Is he engaging in holocaust denial?


    But you still maintain that:


    Cheerful's opinions do not deserve to be taken seriously?

    He has a right to his opinion, I don't agree with it. How difficult is that for you to understand?

    Incidentally I'm still waiting for you to show where I said I agreed with his opinion, or where I "walked back" on my stance (which has remained consistent). So please provide me with the evidence to back up your claims.

    Glazers Out!



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    King Mob wrote: »
    And of these "real" conspiracies, how many of them have been cracked because of people on youtube or on sites like prison planet?
    All of them were cracked by people in the mainstream media, not conspiracy theorists on the internet. Many of them weren't even discussed by conspiracy theorists (even before the advent of the internet) before they were cracked by the media.
    So not promoting stuff about how school shootings were all faked isn't exactly going to expose any real government misdeeds and would in fact distract and discredit the real misdeeds that are being committed.
    For example, while it's easy to find threads and documentaries about how the moon landing wasn't real, there's almost nothing from the same people about Trump's shady dealings.


    But no conspiracy theorists actually just stick to that. It's too boring for them, so they have to invent things like secret explosives, fake witnesses, on camera confessions...
    The vast majority of conspiracy theorists subscribe to the version of the conspiracy that you are dismissing out of hand.


    Well firstly, that's not true.
    There's lots of studies about the benefits of meditation.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=meditation

    If there is an alternative cure for something, it's probably not going to be on youtube. And even if it was, it's going to be buried under tons of videos of wacky stuff that's pretty much magic, or scam artists who are doing pretty much all the shady stuff conspiracy theorists love to accuse doctors off.

    Sure, by itself it's dumb.
    But people who are willing to believe that often believe a lot more conspiracy theories than just that.

    And yes, conspiracy theories lead to harm.
    Conspiracy theories have lead to large numbers of people rejecting vaccines and medicine, leading to illness and death.
    A conspiracy theorist went into a pizzeria with guns because he thought there was a secret government pedophile ring in the basement.
    Racist conspiracy theories like holocaust denial are spread all over, including this foru,.


    But the thing is that youtube isn't banning these videos. They just aren't going to promote them. They aren't going to end up on the suggested videos alongside real educational videos where they might fool and influence venerable people.
    They will still be available for people to seek out and watch.

    But I think the vast vast majority of videos that are out there already fall into your category of nonsense and you rightly dismiss them out of hand.
    And I think the few you say have value share more with those other types of videos than you realise, and if you really critically examined them with the same level of scrutiny, you'd reject them just as easily.

    I like conspiracy theories alot of the time its interesting to hear the outside the box thinking, most of em are absolute bat **** crazy nonsense but some of em arent far off the truth and get alot of scientific backing, why dont you tube let people decide what they want to watch?

    Alex Jones is a mint, but he has a few nuggets of truth buried in the madness, when he is tempered by the likes of Joe Rogan you can tell he actually knows stuff but cant help himself from going too far over the edge, that it discredits the true stuff he says sometimes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,686 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Cupatae wrote: »
    I like conspiracy theories alot of the time its interesting to hear the outside the box thinking, most of em are absolute bat **** crazy nonsense but some of em arent far off the truth and get alot of scientific backing, why dont you tube let people decide what they want to watch?

    Alex Jones is a mint, but he has a few nuggets of truth buried in the madness, when he is tempered by the likes of Joe Rogan you can tell he actually knows stuff but cant help himself from going too far over the edge, that it discredits the true stuff he says sometimes.

    You may want to put the kettle on, the onslaught is about to begin...

    Glazers Out!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    King Mob wrote: »
    It is a holocaust document. :confused:

    No its not.

    This what the document was about. Date is giveaway is not a holocaust document 1940. Nazis were known to experiment with sick people back then and people with mental illness got killed. There nothing in that document that claims they are Jews.

    "One of the primary documents used to calculate the number of deaths in the Nazi "euthanasia" program is this register discovered in a locked filing cabinet by US Army troops in 1945 at a killing site in Hartheim, Austria. The right page details by month the number of patients who were "disinfected" in 1940. The final column indicates that 35,224 persons had been put to death that year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,724 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    nullzero wrote: »
    He has a right to his opinion, I don't agree with it. How difficult is that for you to understand?

    Incidentally I'm still waiting for you to show where I said I agreed with his opinion, or where I "walked back" on my stance (which has remained consistent). So please provide me with the evidence to back up your claims.
    Ok. So to confirm so there is no more misunderstandings.
    1. You believe that cheerful is engaging in holocaust denial.
    2. You believe is holocaust denial is not acceptable.

    Are both of these correct?
    If they are not, then you're going to have to explain why they aren't a walk back on your previous statements.

    I believe you are walking back on your previous statments becuase comments like:
    nullzero wrote: »
    With that said Cheerful spring is not coming across as an antisemite and isn't denying the holocaust occurred at all..
    and
    nullzero wrote: »
    I stated that Cheerful's stance did not appear to be rooted in antisemitism nor was it indicative of a complete denial of the holocaust.
    Which to me appear to be walking back and qualifying things.

    This can be clear up if you just directly state your position rather than telling us what your position is not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,724 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    No its not.

    This what the document was about. Date is giveaway is not a holocaust document 1940. Nazis were known to experiment with sick people back then and people with mental illness got killed. There nothing in that document that claims they are Jews.

    "One of the primary documents used to calculate the number of deaths in the Nazi "euthanasia" program is this register discovered in a locked filing cabinet by US Army troops in 1945 at a killing site in Hartheim, Austria. The right page details by month the number of patients who were "disinfected" in 1940. The final column indicates that 35,224 persons had been put to death that year.
    Cheerful, that is a holocaust document.

    Firstly, the holocaust includes more than just jewish people.
    Secondly, many Nazi documents do not outright say they are exterminating Jewish people.

    This is getting beyond silly now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,686 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    King Mob wrote: »
    Ok. So to confirm so there is no more misunderstandings.
    1. You believe that cheerful is engaging in holocaust denial.
    2. You believe is holocaust denial is not acceptable.

    Are both of these correct?
    If they are not, then you're going to have to explain why they aren't a walk back on your previous statements.

    I believe you are walking back on your previous statments becuase comments like:

    and

    Which to me appear to be walking back and qualifying things.

    This can be clear up if you just directly state your position rather than telling us what your position is not.

    I never "walked back" on anything. You haven't provided a shred of evidence to that effect. We are instead to take your word for it that your interpretation of what I said is correct.

    I didn't qualify anything, I merely commented that his holocaust denial is not the most extreme I have seen people engage in. It is an endorsement just an observation.

    To me holocaust denial is unacceptable. To others it is acceptable. That's the reality of the situation, people have the freedom to have different opinions. I may not agree with them but I respect their right to hold those opinions.

    I have been saying these things consistently, much to your displeasure I'm sure. I have in point of fact consistently stated what my position is, you are indulging your imagination to say I haven't, but that seems to be something you engage with some regularity.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,724 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    nullzero wrote: »
    I never "walked back" on anything. You haven't provided a shred of evidence to that effect. We are instead to take your word for it that your interpretation of what I said is correct.

    I didn't qualify anything, I merely commented that his holocaust denial is not the most extreme I have seen people engage in. It is an endorsement just an observation.

    To me holocaust denial is unacceptable. To others it is acceptable. That's the reality of the situation, people have the freedom to have different opinions. I may not agree with them but I respect their right to hold those opinions.

    I have been saying these things consistently, much to your displeasure I'm sure.
    Ok. So to confirm so there is no more misunderstandings.
    1. You believe that cheerful is engaging in holocaust denial.
    2. You believe his holocaust denial is not acceptable.

    Are these 2 points correct?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    nullzero wrote: »
    You may want to put the kettle on, the onslaught is about to begin...

    I know... saying Alex Jones is right about anything is going completely against the grain, but he was fairly spot on about Epstein, and wasnt far off about the genetic testing...i think he uncovered some cult some US officials were present in.


    But of course you flip the coin and you end up with "SandHook massacre was a hoax" and "interdimentional aliens" ect..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    nullzero wrote: »
    He has a right to his opinion, I don't agree with it.

    You are referring to King Mob or Cheerful here?

    ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,686 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    King Mob wrote: »
    Ok. So to confirm so there is no more misunderstandings.
    1. You believe that cheerful is engaging in holocaust denial.
    2. You believe his holocaust denial is not acceptable.

    Are these 2 points correct?

    Is this the remedial conspiracy theory class?

    Those two questions have been answered repeatedly. You know my stance, or at least you should. I refuse to engage in this point scoring against another poster. You know I disagree with his opinion. Your ego must be incredibly fragile to engage in this type of nonsense. The need to be right positively jumps off the screen when reading your posts.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,686 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    You are referring to King Mob or Cheerful here?

    ;)

    Actually it applies to everyone. I would have assumed that it was so obvious it was not worth stating.

    Glazers Out!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    King Mob wrote: »
    Cheerful, that is a holocaust document.

    Firstly, the holocaust includes more than just jewish people.
    Secondly, many Nazi documents do not outright say they are exterminating Jewish people.

    This is getting beyond silly now.

    You can't keep your facts straight. They published the document on a Jewish holocaust website. And yet the documentation does not talk about Jewish deaths?

    What holocust are we talking about now?
    You have not posted a single document yet ( you're the silly one)
    You claim there all this research that proves 6 million, but you can't provide any of it to look at, funny that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,724 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    nullzero wrote: »
    Is this the remedial conspiracy theory class?

    Those two questions have been answered repeatedly. You know my stance, or at least you should. I refuse to engage in this point scoring against another poster. You know I disagree with his opinion. Your ego must be incredibly fragile to engage in this type of nonsense. The need to be right positively jumps off the screen when reading your posts.
    Lol lots of personal comments there.

    But I'm just asking a simple question to clarify your stance.

    I believe based on your comments that:
    1. You believe that cheerful is engaging in holocaust denial.
    2. You believe his holocaust denial is not acceptable.

    However I feel that if I stated these things as a fact you would again claim I was misrepresenting you.

    Are these two points accurate?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    nullzero wrote: »
    Is this the remedial conspiracy theory class?

    Those two questions have been answered repeatedly. You know my stance, or at least you should. I refuse to engage in this point scoring against another poster. You know I disagree with his opinion. Your ego must be incredibly fragile to engage in this type of nonsense. The need to be right positively jumps off the screen when reading your posts.

    You disagreed with me hours ago and he still can't see it :D:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,724 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    You can't keep your facts straight. They published the document on a Jewish holocaust website. And yet the documentation does not talk about Jewish deaths?
    Ok. So why does the the "Jewish" holocaust website post it?
    What holocust are we talking about now?
    We're talking about the Holocaust.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    King Mob wrote: »
    Ok. So why does the the "Jewish" holocaust website post it?


    We're talking about the Holocaust.

    You're the gaslighting king you win rewards :) You tell me you posted it as evidence Nazis kept documentation about the Jewish holocaust:confused:.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,724 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    You're the gaslighting king you winrewards :)
    I don't think you know what gaslighting is...
    You tell me you posted it as evidence Nazis kept documentation about the Jewish holocaust:confused:.
    They posted it because it is documentation for the Holocaust. They provide several examples to illustrate the types of documents used to verify their research.
    You don't deny that is the case, and I amn't going to be able to convince you otherwise.

    So...
    Why do you believe the holocaust museum posted this incorrect document?
    Was it a mistake on their part?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    King Mob wrote: »
    I don't think you know what gaslighting is...


    They posted it because it is documentation for the Holocaust. They provide several examples to illustrate the types of documents used to verify their research.
    You don't deny that is the case, and I amn't going to be able to convince you otherwise.

    So...
    Why do you believe the holocaust museum posted this incorrect document?
    Was it a mistake on their part?

    Why do you lie? If you don't know when the Holocust started, why should anyone believe you?

    This is considered the holocaust period. The document you posted from 1940

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,724 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Why do you lie? If you don't know when the Holocust started, why should anyone believe you?

    This is considered the holocaust period. The document you posted from 1940
    Ok. So why does the holocaust museum post it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    King Mob wrote: »
    Ok. So why does the holocaust museum post it?

    No clue:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,724 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    No clue:)
    Huh. So maybe since they are actual historians who have actual training and qualifications and do actual research, maybe they know something about that document and others that you don't?

    Why does the holocaust museum give an incorrect figure for the holocaust?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    No clue:)

    Why is it taught in schools and around the world that around 6 million Jews died in the Holocaust?

    Either there's a conspiracy going on there, or you genuinely believe you know more than the consensus of modern historians on the subject (without ever having opened a book on the subject)

    Which is it..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    King Mob wrote: »
    Huh. So maybe since they are actual historians who have actual training and qualifications and do actual research, maybe they know something about that document and others that you don't?

    Why does the holocaust museum give an incorrect figure for the holocaust?

    You said was a holocaust document, not me. Clearly you did not know when the holocaust period was. Stop trying to lay the blame on me for your mistake.

    Why don't you ask the Museum?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,724 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    You said was a holocaust document, not me. Clearly you did not know when the holocaust period was. Stop trying to lay the blame on me for your mistake.

    Why don't you ask the Museum?
    I don't need to ask the museum because I agree with them and their presentation of the facts. You haven't shown a good reason to doubt those facts.

    It is a holocaust document. I don't believe you when you claim it isn't because you are not trustworthy on any measure.

    So moving on... Why do you believe the holocaust museum is presenting incorrect figures for the holocaust?
    Did all of the historians in the holocaust museum make a terrible mistake? Or are they deliberately faking things?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Why is it taught in schools and around the world that around 6 million Jews died in the Holocaust?

    Either there's a conspiracy going on there, or you genuinely believe you know more than the consensus of modern historians on the subject (without ever having opened a book on the subject)

    Which is it..

    Thought in schools 9/11 was done by bin laden and his 19 hijackers and there no conspiracy and thought in schools JFK was killed by one guy Oswald. It's way things are!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,724 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Thought in schools 9/11 was done by bin laden and his 19 hijackers and there no conspiracy and thought in schools JFK was killed by one guy Oswald. It's way things are!
    They also teach the world is round...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    King Mob wrote: »
    I don't need to ask the museum because I agree with them and their presentation of the facts. You haven't shown a good reason to doubt those facts.

    It is a holocaust document. I don't believe you when you claim it isn't because you are not trustworthy on any measure.

    So moving on... Why do you believe the holocaust museum is presenting incorrect figures for the holocaust?
    Did all of the historians in the holocaust museum make a terrible mistake? Or are they deliberately faking things?

    You need to look up gaslighting these sentences are typical of someone with that personality.

    . I don't believe you when you claim it isn't because you are not trustworthy on any measure.

    Even though I just posted a screenshot of holocaust period 1941- 1945.
    Your document from 1940.

    Gaslighting you try to get the other person to doubt their sanity, and you deny things, no matter what.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Thought in schools 9/11 was done by bin laden and his 19 hijackers and there no conspiracy and thought in schools JFK was killed by one guy Oswald. It's way things are!

    It's called the truth, which is based on factual history. It has a habit of being consistent

    Unlike your personal opinions on this subject which are just opinions that no one in this thread agrees with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,724 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Even though I just posted a screenshot of holocaust period 1941- 1945.
    Your document from 1940.
    Well for one, it's not my document. It's a document pointed to by actual historians.

    Secondly, I don't believe you when you claim that the document is from 1940. You have claimed documents and pictures show things that they don't.

    Thirdly, even if it is from that year, there's many reason why it might still refer to things in the holocaust. Again, it's being presented by holocaust historians as an example of a holocaust document. I trust them as they are actual experts.

    I'm just not actually arsed to dig into this and find out which of these is the actual explanation, because of previous experience trying to explain things to you.

    I (and most rational people) understand that it is an example of a nazi document of the type used to research the true numbers of people killed in the holocaust.
    You are denying that's true based on your own historian expertise.

    So again, let's move on.
    You believe that the holocaust museum is presenting false numbers.
    Why do they do this?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    It's called the truth, which is based on factual history. It has a habit of being consistent

    Unlike your personal opinions on this subject which are just opinions that no one in this thread agrees with.

    You get your truth from Metabunk. Mick west still hasn't figured out yet why the Hulsey models has no collisions and dynamic movement. When it's obvious to me why that is. His debunking laughable.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    King Mob wrote: »
    Well for one, it's not my document. It's a document pointed to by actual historians.

    Secondly, I don't believe you when you claim that the document is from 1940. You have claimed documents and pictures show things that they don't.

    You posted, you mad person:D:D

    509738.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    You get your truth from Metabunk. Mick west still hasn't figured out yet why the Hulsey models has no collisions and dynamic movement. When it's obvious to me why that is. His debunking laughable.

    And now you've spun off from Holocaust denial into 911 conspiracy stuff

    Every thread like this is a dumpster fire, what do you think that demonstrates..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    And now you've spun off from Holocaust denial into 911 conspiracy stuff

    Every thread like this is a dumpster fire, what do you think that demonstrates..

    You guys derailed this thread, with the holocaust talk.:rolleyes:.

    I was more than happy to end this debate hours ago and keep on topic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,724 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    You posted, you mad person
    Yes. And I also said:

    Thirdly, even if it is from that year, there's many reason why it might still refer to things in the holocaust. Again, it's being presented by holocaust historians as an example of a holocaust document. I trust them as they are actual experts.

    I'm just not actually arsed to dig into this and find out which of these is the actual explanation, because of previous experience trying to explain things to you.

    You don't believe that that document is a holocaust document. But you can't explain why real historians would present it as one.
    This is because it is a holocaust document, you just don't understand why and you believe that lack of understanding trumps the historian's actual research and expertise.

    That's very silly and I'm not going to convince you otherwise.

    So let's move on. You believe that the holocaust museum is presenting false numbers. Why do you believe they do this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,724 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    You guys derailed this thread, with the holocaust talk.:rolleyes:.
    Nope. I just brought up holocaust denial as an example of "alternate" thinking that most people, nullzero included would agree is nonsense and unacceptable.
    It is easily replaceable with the notions of flat earth or creationism.

    You were the the one barging in with false, ill informed claims about the holocaust.
    Such anti-historical tripe shouldn't be left unchallenged.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    King Mob wrote: »
    Nope. I just brought up holocaust denial as an example of "alternate" thinking that most people, nullzero included would agree is nonsense and unacceptable.
    It is easily replaceable with the notions of flat earth or creationism.

    You were the the one barging in with false, ill informed claims about the holocaust.
    Such anti-historical tripe shouldn't be left unchallenged.

    Write a book about it ;) I can't take you guys seriously because every conspiracy needs to be challenged. Any evidence that challenges the norm is dismissed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,724 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Write a book about it ;) I can't take you guys seriously because every conspiracy needs to be challenged. Any evidence that challenges the norm is dismissed.
    Not every conspiracy needs to be challenged. But Holocaust denial does because not only is it just factually wrong, it stems from racist propaganda and it muddies an important part of history.

    Cheerful, you aren't a historian and you haven't done anything even close to approaching research. You claims aren't "alternative" though as that implies that it somehow on the same level of the opinion and research of real, rational experts.


  • Registered Users Posts: 736 ✭✭✭Das Reich


    For USA even the fact that they lost the Vietnam war ks a conspiracy theory as they say the just got tired and got out there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,686 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    King Mob wrote: »
    Lol lots of personal comments there.

    But I'm just asking a simple question to clarify your stance.

    I believe based on your comments that:
    1. You believe that cheerful is engaging in holocaust denial.
    2. You believe his holocaust denial is not acceptable.

    However I feel that if I stated these things as a fact you would again claim I was misrepresenting you.

    Are these two points accurate?

    You're asking a simple question that has been answered already on multiple occasions.

    The content of my responses is becoming personal in nature because having answered your questions already, you keep asking the exact same questions, which leads me to believe there is something amiss with you personally.

    You claiming things I've stated as fact isn't an issue the misrepresentation stems from you saying I have changed my stance when I demonstrably haven't.

    You are seeing this discussion in terms of me being pro freedom of expression therefore I must agree with everything Cheerful spring is saying when in reality I do not agree with what he is saying but I do respect his right to have his opinion. This is a simple enough idea that you have repeatedly failed to grasp.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,724 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    nullzero wrote: »
    You're asking a simple question that has been answered already on multiple occasions.
    Ok. Then both points are indeed correct and
    1. You believe that cheerful is engaging in holocaust denial.
    2. You believe his holocaust denial is not acceptable.

    Cool.
    nullzero wrote: »
    You are seeing this discussion in terms of me being pro freedom of expression therefore I must agree with everything Cheerful spring is saying
    Never said or argued or indicated this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,686 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    King Mob wrote: »
    Now, to avoid disagreeing with a conspiracy theorist you're walking back on your previous stance.

    So now, do you believe that holocaust denial is an acceptable form of "alternative" thought? If so, why did you change your mind?

    Above is an example of what I cited earlier. In your last post to said and I quote; "Never said or argued or indicated this."

    I am not given over to making statements I cannot back up with fact when it comes to quoting other posters. Here I have given you an example of you engaging in behaviour you deny engaging in.
    You have accused me of similar behaviour but when I have asked you to provide evidence you have repeatedly ignored my requests.
    This is why I described you as having engaged in debating in bad faith. You are constantly attempting to skew the playing field to your advantage using every dirty trick you can muster. You need to take stock of this and I would suggest you could do better, currently it's impossible to take you seriously in light of your behaviour.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Any evidence that challenges the norm is dismissed.

    You dismiss e.g. Sandy Hook conspiracy theorists as idiots

    Yet you believe in other absurd conspiracies

    Always these special conditions for your own extreme beliefs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    nullzero wrote: »
    Above is an example of what I cited earlier. In your last post to said and I quote; "Never said or argued or indicated this."

    I am not given over to making statements I cannot back up with fact when it comes to quoting other posters. Here I have given you an example of you engaging in behaviour you deny engaging in.
    You have accused me of similar behaviour but when I have asked you to provide evidence you have repeatedly ignored my requests.
    This is why I described you as having engaged in debating in bad faith. You are constantly attempting to skew the playing field to your advantage using every dirty trick you can muster. You need to take stock of this and I would suggest you could do better, currently it's impossible to take you seriously in light of your behaviour.

    You're backtracking with this pious act after basically backing a poster who turned out to be a raving Holocaust denier


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,686 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    You're backtracking with this pious act after basically backing a poster who turned out to be a raving Holocaust denier

    Again provide the evidence that I back tracked please. Otherwise all the above is hyperbole.
    I have never backed anyone, something I would also like you to provide evidence for please.
    I merely stated I respect their right to have an opinion I do not agree with. I'll wait patiently for the evidence to support your claims.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,724 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    nullzero wrote: »
    Above is an example of what I cited earlier. In your last post to said and I quote; "Never said or argued or indicated this."
    .
    That's not me arguing that you agree with him.
    That isn't me claiming that you with agreeing everything Cheerful spring is saying.

    That's me pointing out that you are avoiding saying directly that you disagree with him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    King Mob wrote: »
    Not every conspiracy needs to be challenged. But Holocaust denial does because not only is it just factually wrong, it stems from racist propaganda and it muddies an important part of history.

    Cheerful, you aren't a historian and you haven't done anything even close to approaching research. You claims aren't "alternative" though as that implies that it somehow on the same level of the opinion and research of real, rational experts.

    Every second you say it’s holocaust denial, I laugh. Jewish historians don’t even agree about the numbers, some go as low at 4 million, some say 5 million, some say 6 million, some go higher.  Maybe read why I dispute the number 6 million? 
    The statistic based on pre-war census. Historians believe 3.5 million Jews lived after the war? What number you left with King mob when 9.5 million Jews lived in Europe 1933?

    You solved it 6 million.

    You guys are claiming every man, woman and child in 1933 census was killed by the holocaust and that not backed up anything but wishful thinking. You even tried to pass off a 1940 document as a holocaust document.  The holocaust period started in 1941. So maybe stop reflecting on our people’s research capabilities and do your own.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    nullzero wrote: »
    Otherwise all the above is hyperbole.

    It's not hyperbole, it's an opinion. If you disagree with it, that's noted, just like your equal treatment of opinions here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Every second you say it’s holocaust denial, I laugh.  Jewish historians don’t even agree about the numbers, some go as low at 4 million, some say 5 million, some say 6 million, some go higher.  Maybe read why I dispute the number 6 million? 

    You dispute it because you are a Holocaust denier and all your posts on the subject display faulty reasoning and just bizarre stuff

    Years later, after constant explanations, you still can't grasp the concept of e.g. consensus

    I'll demonstrate. Explain to us, without a dictionary definition, what consensus means and give an example of it

    Provide a simple example from history

    If you can't understand these basic concepts, you'll never get any of this and be stuck in this loop of nonsense


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    You guys are claiming every man, woman and child in 1933 census was killed by the holocaust and that not backed up anything but wishful thinking.

    No. You keep making up absurd claims then attributing it to other posters or "people"


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