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CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

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    #9062
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,538 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Ardent wrote: »
    Apologies if already posted. French chief epidemiologist claims obesity is a major risk factor for covid19.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-france-confinement/obesity-is-major-covid-19-risk-factor-says-french-chief-epidemiologist-idUSKBN21Q0S7?utm_source=reddit.com

    Nothing new that. ICU medics and nurses here have been saying this for a couple of weeks now.


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    #9063
    Xertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Xertz


    I see a few comments on this thread about how this will screw up plans.

    Unfortunately, many of us are led to believe that life is a track and there are set goal points to reach by certain ages or dates.

    In reality it does not always work like that. A lot of things can and do happen: recessions, illness, conflicts (we had one on this island until 1993), wars (not just WWII - plenty of our parents generations who had any time living in the US faced being drafted into Vietnam and Korea and so on), bizarre political instability - Brexit being a good example of it as is Trump, and even on a personal level people run into illness, injuries, family issues and so on.

    All I'm saying is that life is about adaptation. COVID-19 is one of those situations where we're all just going to have to work around the problems it's presenting and will continue to present over the next few years. It will mean plans will be delayed, disrupted or changed, but that's just life.

    We've had a lucky few decades, far luckier than most of those who've gone before us. Times were generally very predictable.

    I just think we all need to take stock, see things in perspective and accept that life can throw things out of kilter now and again.

    We're still lucky in the sense we live in a highly developed social democratic country and one that people are willing to pull together in a crisis and deal with it. Keep that sense of perspective as this next year or two will be bumpy but we do have each other and stand behind each other and we will get through it and come out the other side and eventually this will just be a memory that you'll be droning on about in your old age to anyone who'll listen.

    In the meantime all any of us can do is be flexible and try and deal with this one day at a time.


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    #9064
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users Posts: 35,859 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    People asking questions of Trump, pans to reporter in seated area, the seating is flip down seating at White House, She's sitting in one , but seat next to her has no one in it, so seat is in it's flipped up position, so underneath of seat is viewable, and their is chewing gum stuck all over it. The whole general seated area is filthy in general.


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    #9065
    KiKi III
    Registered Users Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭KiKi III


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Yeah but there's still the world of havoc this'll wreak on the economy. What about that?

    We will all be dealing with that together. Almost all of us are worried about it. To look at it one way: We’re all in this together. A slightly different take on the same message: You’re not special.

    When I graduated college at 21 it was into the last major global financial crisis.


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    #9066
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,111 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Ardent wrote: »
    Apologies if already posted. French chief epidemiologist claims obesity is a major risk factor for covid19.
    It's something that has long struck me looking at photos of people in the media who have died younger. It might be partly why more men die from this compared to women? While obesity affects both, men tend to pile on abdominal fat, which can't be easy on the breathing. Men suffer more from sleep apnoea too and obesity is a major factor in that(though not the only one of course).

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #9067
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    D.Q wrote: »
    Nothing is irreparable. Especially at 22. Comes across as extremely entitled.

    Ironically enough death is the only irreparable thing in life, the one thing all these restrictions are trying to avoid. But if you've had a relatively unscathed life as far as tragedy is concerned I can understand how this may seem like the end of the world.


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    #9068
    fr336
    Registered Users Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Gee I wish I was 22 again and my biggest worry was my current entry level job and a part time degree...wow...


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    #9069
    JJayoo
    Registered Users Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    What is the story with ferries bringing in holiday makers from the UK?

    Can anyone in the UK hop on a Ferry and sail over?

    Any **** driving off in their camper van should be quarried at the port in the carpark for two weeks


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    #9070
    expectationlost
    Registered Users Posts: 11,778 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Wibbs wrote: »
    It's something that has long struck me looking at photos of people in the media who have died younger. It might be partly why more men die from this compared to women? While obesity affects both, men tend to pile on abdominal fat, which can't be easy on the breathing. Men suffer more from sleep apnoea too and obesity is a major factor in that(though not the only one of course).
    they say more men in europe smoke (but I would have though more women smoke here)


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    #9071
    KiKi III
    Registered Users Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭KiKi III


    JJayoo wrote: »
    What is the story with ferries bringing in holiday makers from the UK?

    Can anyone in the UK hop on a Ferry and sail over?

    Any **** driving off in their camper van should be quarried at the port in the carpark for two weeks

    On the news it said only about a dozen cars got the ferry over today and it’s usually the busiest day of the year.

    They were all interviewed and waved on by Gardai. Likely a lot of irish coming home.


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    #9072
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,565 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Trump on Sweden:
    If we took that approach we'd have 2 million people dead now


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    #9073
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users Posts: 13,155 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    expectationlost wrote: »
    I don't think Hololan said anything wrong tonight (it was Henry who wouldn't answer questions on test results)



    its the person who wrote the press release that confused the journalists because the german lab result figure isn't in it https://twitter.com/ciananbrennan/status/1248668178642862080

    Zara King and George Lee had to ask about 8 times to get clarity off Tony.


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    #9074
    froog
    Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Sorry I forgot people without wives and kids don't have lives worth living. Good lad.

    the point is you don't have a mortgage or kids to worry about. you won't starve. you're 22 your career hasn't even started. this will be over in a year and you'll be fine. people that have to support families and have mortgages may legitimately be ****ed long after this is over. but you know all that and are just trolling of course.


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    #9075
    JamesM
    Registered Users Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭JamesM


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    The initial figure of about 7,000 cases is incorrect and it is actually over 8,000.

    When the journalists took him up on this mistake, he seemed to caught off guard and a little defensive.


    Perhaps it's exhaustion, but this doesn't look good if he was trying to conceal the real case load.

    He didn't make a mistake - you're as bad as the journalist :rolleyes: He explained quite clearly and had to do it many times because of the thick journalist. The 7000 figure was a comprehensive figure, with all the analysis and calculations from 2 days ago. The 8000 figure is the most up to date total figure.


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    #9076
    fin12
    Registered Users Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    JJayoo wrote: »
    What is the story with ferries bringing in holiday makers from the UK?

    Can anyone in the UK hop on a Ferry and sail over?

    Any **** driving off in their camper van should be quarried at the port in the carpark for two weeks

    Why would anyone bother their holes , to travel somewhere , everywhere is locked down.


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    #9077
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users Posts: 13,155 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    JamesM wrote: »
    He didn't make a mistake - you're as bad as the journalist :rolleyes: He explained quite clearly and had to do it many times because of the thick journalist. The 7000 figure was a comprehensive figure, with all the analysis and calculations from 2 days ago. The 8000 figure is the most up to date total figure.

    Why didn't he just say 8,000 from the beginning?


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    #9078
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    Dare I ask which total was given on the 9 o'clock news? If we have two different figures it's going to get confusing.


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    #9079
    Curious_Case
    Registered Users Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Yeah but there's still the world of havoc this'll wreak on the economy. What about that?

    Opportunities abound in all circumstances

    Pick up some cheap shares ?


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    #9080
    syngindub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭syngindub


    Trump has a big decision coming up. Any ideas what it is?


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    #9081
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Wibbs wrote: »
    It's something that has long struck me looking at photos of people in the media who have died younger. It might be partly why more men die from this compared to women? While obesity affects both, men tend to pile on abdominal fat, which can't be easy on the breathing. Men suffer more from sleep apnoea too and obesity is a major factor in that(though not the only one of course).

    Interesting point Wibbs.
    When the ratio came out in China, some pointed to smoking.

    Do we have any decent global analysis that teases apart these factors? As in, these underlying conditions can be accounted for, and does sex still come out as being a factor?

    It's frustrating to me the lack of analysis in the public domain. Surely we have enough data globally now.


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    #9082
    expectationlost
    Registered Users Posts: 11,778 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Zara King and George Lee had to ask about 8 times to get clarity off Tony.
    they misunderstood and both admitted so, its the press release not including the german lab number that confused them


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    #9083
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,538 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Seamai wrote: »
    Dare I ask which total was given on the 9 o'clock news? If we have two different figures it's going to get confusing.

    Did you not just watch the News at 9?


    What they said was
    It was also confirmed this evening that 480 new cases of cornoavirus have been identified, bringing the total number of cases to 7,054.
    When results from tests sent to Germany are included, the total number of confirmed cases of Covid-19 here is 8089.


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    #9084
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,279 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Seamai wrote: »
    Dare I ask which total was given on the 9 o'clock news? If we have two different figures it's going to get confusing.

    The 8000 figure is the total overall number, including the German test results.


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    #9085
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,860 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Pinch Flat wrote:
    Vodka and saunas not working for belarus. Who would have thought?
    And they are one of the countries where sport is still being played.
    The others that I'm aware of are Nicaragua,Tajikistan, Burundi and Taiwan.


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    #9086
    expectationlost
    Registered Users Posts: 11,778 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    JamesM wrote: »
    He didn't make a mistake - you're as bad as the journalist :rolleyes: He explained quite clearly and had to do it many times because of the thick journalist. The 7000 figure was a comprehensive figure, with all the analysis and calculations from 2 days ago. The 8000 figure is the most up to date total figure.
    no there are actually 3 figures the HPSC figure was was 7xxx, todays figure which was 7xxx+ and the total figure including the german lab results which was 8xxx.

    and there the ECDC figure which may be from a different time of day.


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    #9087
    JamesM
    Registered Users Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭JamesM


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Why didn't he just say 8,000 from the beginning?
    He did ! He gave both figures, but they weren't concentrating and just wanted dramatic copy.


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    #9088
    Curious_Case
    Registered Users Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    syngindub wrote: »
    Trump has a big decision coming up. Any ideas what it is?

    Which button to press next on his Fisher Price activity centre . . .


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    #9089
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Funny how they include German lab results on the day they extend restrictions

    A cynic would wonder if they deliberately withheld the information?


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    #9090
    expectationlost
    Registered Users Posts: 11,778 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Funny how they include German lab results on the day they extend restrictions

    A cynic would wonder if they deliberately withheld the information?
    they gave it yesterday too (if not the day before that aswell)


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    #9091
    KiKi III
    Registered Users Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭KiKi III


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Interesting point Wibbs.
    When the ratio came out in China, some pointed to smoking.

    Do we have any decent global analysis that teases apart these factors? As in, these underlying conditions can be accounted for, and does sex still come out as being a factor?

    It's frustrating to me the lack of analysis in the public domain. Surely we have enough data globally now.

    There was an article in the Irish Times the other day about this. A doctor talking about the lifestyle factors; obesity and smoking but also that women are more likely to go see a doctor early on if something is wrong.

    This is mostly well known but the interesting part was she said women seem to just be better at fighting off viruses generally. Could be a survival of the species thing?


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