Running, Corona Virus and Social Distancing

Kermit.de.frog · 09-04-2020 08:14AM

Just don't run or jog.

It's very simple.

Do all the runners out there find this confusing or what's the problem?

You can jog again in a few months (probably) but I think it's time to outlaw jogging in public for the next few weeks and i'd like to see fines issued at this stage.

It's not right. Everyone else is sticking to the plan to prevent spread and save lives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DogS6dIe2t4

adrian522 · 09-04-2020 08:49AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Just don't run or jog.

It's very simple.

Do all the runners out there find this confusing or what's the problem?

You can jog again in a few months (probably) but I think it's time to outlaw jogging in public for the next few weeks and i'd like to see fines issued at this stage.

It's not right. Everyone else is sticking to the plan to prevent spread and save lives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DogS6dIe2t4

Have a read of this if you'd like to educate yourself:

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/cf9b0d-new-public-health-measures-effective-now-to-prevent-further-spread-o/#the-only-reasons-you-can-leave-your-home

The only reasons you can leave your home
Stay at home in all circumstances, except in the following situations:

to travel to and from work where the work is considered an essential service. The full list of essential services is available here
working in an essential shop, bank or post office. The full list of essential shops, post offices and banks is available here
to attend medical appointments and collect medicines and other health products for yourself, your family or someone who is vulnerable or 'cocooning'
for vital family reasons including caring for children, elderly or vulnerable people but excluding social family visits
to exercise within 2 kilometres of your house. You cannot exercise with people from outside your household

Maybe read the bit in bold very slowly to yourself a few times before you post again

Kermit.de.frog · 09-04-2020 09:00AM

The CMO yesterday was not impressed with the amount of people running.

The OP wonders why looks are being given.

When you run you sweat and pant. This is not good for anyone within feet of you running by if you happen to be infected.

I fully expect jogging to be banned in the coming days incidentally. It won't be allowed continue, nor should it.

You can go a while without jogging. It's not a requirement.

People need some cop on and a sense of perspective.

You won't be flabbing out because you can't go for a jog for a while.

Just go for a walk. 4 km is a perfectly good walk.

Vinnie222 · 09-04-2020 09:04AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The CMO yesterday was not impressed with the amount of people running.

The OP wonders why looks are being given.

When you run you sweat and pant. This is not good for anyone within feet of you running by if you happen to be infected.

I fully expect jogging to be banned in the coming days incidentally. It won't be allowed continue, nor should it.

You can go a while without jogging. It's not a requirement.

People need some cop on and a sense of perspective.

You won't be flabbing out because you can't go for a jog for a while.

Just go for a walk. 4 km is a perfectly good walk.

I've seen many unfit people sweating and panting while out walking, maybe that should be banned also. Majority of running don't sweat and pant while out for a easy run

IvoryTower · 09-04-2020 09:09AM

I've upped my mileage from 30mpw to 50mpw, sure what else is there to do apart from pave the streets with toxic sweat

adrian522 · 09-04-2020 09:12AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The CMO yesterday was not impressed with the amount of people running.

Where is your source on this. The guidelines are quite clear on this, how do you know how impressed or otherwise he is?

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The OP wonders why looks are being given.

When you run you sweat and pant. This is not good for anyone within feet of you running by if you happen to be infected.

No evidence whatsoever that it is any different than someone out walking, hence running and solo exercise in gerneral is specifically allowed and encouraged. Can you post your evidence on this please rather than scaremongering?

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I fully expect jogging to be banned in the coming days incidentally. It won't be allowed continue, nor should it.

Your entitled to your opinion I guess but there is no reason for outdoor exercise to be banned but as of now it is still allowed so people can and should continue to do it.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You can go a while without jogging. It's not a requirement.

People need some cop on and a sense of perspective.

Yep, some people really need to just follow the guidelines as published.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You won't be flabbing out because you can't go for a jog for a while.

Just go for a walk. 4 km is a perfectly good walk.

Not really sure what the essential difference between going for a walk and going for a run, both are allowed and encouraged, no chance one is going to be banned because of some nonsense on the Internet.

average_runner · 09-04-2020 09:13AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Just don't run or jog.

It's very simple.

Do all the runners out there find this confusing or what's the problem?

You can jog again in a few months (probably) but I think it's time to outlaw jogging in public for the next few weeks and i'd like to see fines issued at this stage.

It's not right. Everyone else is sticking to the plan to prevent spread and save lives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DogS6dIe2t4

Either you are trolling or just not reading the advice from our government.

Its perfectly safe to run if you keep 1 meter apart(WHO recommendations) or 2 meters(our government).

If a walker/runner hits off you, you have the same chance of picking the virus up.

Most runners are running early in the morning when there is no one around, today I saw 3 people from a distance.

We are obeying the government advice.

brutes1 · 09-04-2020 09:14AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The CMO yesterday was not impressed with the amount of people running.

The OP wonders why looks are being given.

When you run you sweat and pant. This is not good for anyone within feet of you running by if you happen to be infected.

I fully expect jogging to be banned in the coming days incidentally. It won't be allowed continue, nor should it.

You can go a while without jogging. It's not a requirement.

People need some cop on and a sense of perspective.

You won't be flabbing out because you can't go for a jog for a while.

Just go for a walk. 4 km is a perfectly good walk.

Exercise good for health.

The introduction of more restrictions on liberties is not acceptable

Especially not for a virus that has a wall of propaganda around it and lack of clarity around death rates and infection rates. Months in and we still do not have population samples indicating infection rates.

The world should not stop for something like this. The govt needs to work around it and get on with life.

Kermit.de.frog · 09-04-2020 09:16AM

adrian522 wrote: »

Where is your source on this. The guidelines are quite clear on this, how do you know how impressed or otherwise he is?

The daily briefing.

I take it you don't watch it.

Kermit.de.frog · 09-04-2020 09:19AM

brutes1 wrote: »

Exercise good for health.

The introduction of more restrictions on liberties is not acceptable

Especially not for a virus that has a wall of propaganda around it and lack of clarity around death rates and infection rates. Months in and we still do not have population samples indicating infection rates.

The world should not stop for something like this. The govt needs to work around it and get on with life.

Hi Gemma, how is life treating yeh? :pac:

bucketybuck · 09-04-2020 09:20AM

I would much rather run than get my kicks from trolling message boards.

backofthepack · 09-04-2020 09:22AM

and just to be pedantic I don't jog, I run, within guidelines

Unthought Known · 09-04-2020 09:26AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The CMO yesterday was not impressed with the amount of people running.

The OP wonders why looks are being given.

When you run you sweat and pant. This is not good for anyone within feet of you running by if you happen to be infected.

I fully expect jogging to be banned in the coming days incidentally. It won't be allowed continue, nor should it.

You can go a while without jogging. It's not a requirement.

People need some cop on and a sense of perspective.

You won't be flabbing out because you can't go for a jog for a while.

Just go for a walk. 4 km is a perfectly good walk.

I can't see a full ban happening. It's not as if there's a horde of runners deliberately terrorising the community, flinging their sweat in all directions as they play chicken with walkers.

Most people, runners, walkers, cyclists, are doing their best to maintain distance and respect others when out of the house.

Personally, I'd guess that I "sweat and pant" less on my runs, and maintain a greater distance from others, and limit my excursions to max once per day, than others/you do on your 4km walk.

Kermit.de.frog · 09-04-2020 09:28AM

Running is a good pursuit.

It's very healthy.

Unfortunately at this time it presents a growing risk to others. That's mostly down to the increase in numbers.

Let's be real not all joggers are keeping proper distance - I see it myself every day.

Like I say I expect it to be part of a new bundle of restrictions.

Just exercise some other way for a while.

adrian522 · 09-04-2020 09:29AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The daily briefing.

I take it you don't watch it.

Post his quote where he said this.

Tabnabs · 09-04-2020 09:29AM

A recent Belgian-Dutch study has applied the already known science regarding slipstreaming and looked at it from the perspective of social-distancing and corona virus.

On the basis of these results the scientist advises that for walking the distance of people moving in the same direction in 1 line should be at least 4–5 meter, for running and slow biking it should be 10 meters and for hard biking at least 20 meters. Also, when passing someone it is advised to already be in different lane at a considerable distance e.g. 20 meters for biking.

https://medium.com/@jurgenthoelen/belgian-dutch-study-why-in-times-of-covid-19-you-can-not-walk-run-bike-close-to-each-other-a5df19c77d08

average_runner · 09-04-2020 09:30AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Running is a good pursuit.

It's very healthy.

Unfortunately at this time it presents a growing risk to others. That's mostly down to the increase in numbers.

Let's be real not all joggers are keeping proper distance - I see it myself every day.

Like I say I expect it to be part of a new bundle of restrictions.

Just exercise some other way for a while.

Most walkers aren't keeping their distance, most dog owners not keeping dogs on the lead or cleaning up after them.

So ban walking first

Kermit.de.frog · 09-04-2020 09:32AM

average_runner wrote: »

Most walkers aren't keeping their distance, most dog owners not keeping dogs on the lead or cleaning up after them.

So ban walking first

You need to walk to move. You don't need to run.

It's as simple and straight forward as that.

adrian522 · 09-04-2020 09:32AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Running is a good pursuit.

It's very healthy.

Unfortunately at this time it presents a growing risk to others. That's mostly down to the increase in numbers.

Let's be real not all joggers are keeping proper distance - I see it myself every day.

Like I say I expect it to be part of a new bundle of restrictions.

Just exercise some other way for a while.

Can you actually post some evidence for the claims you are making. If what you are saying is true then why is it not mentioned in any advice anywhere.

I'm not engaging with your nonsense unless you come up with some actual facts rather than posting this sort of nonsense.

Kermit.de.frog · 09-04-2020 09:36AM

adrian522 wrote: »

Can you actually post some evidence for the claims you are making. If what you are saying is true then why is it not mentioned in any advice anywhere.

The CMO mentioned it in the daily briefing you don't watch.

Obviously with more numbers comes more inexperience and people who would not be aware at all times of their distance.

I have had joggers run within centimeters of me in the last few days.

What do you have to say about that?

Are you going to defend that?

And if you are not going to defend it what is your solution?

average_runner · 09-04-2020 09:36AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You need to walk to move. You don't need to run.

It's as simple and straight forward as that.

Its simple and straight forward to obey the 2 meter rule also. More runners obeying than walkers. Maybe the gardai should fined the ones not keeping the 2 meter rule

OOnegative · 09-04-2020 09:38AM

Tabnabs wrote: »

A recent Belgian-Dutch study has applied the already known science regarding slipstreaming and looked at it from the perspective of social-distancing and corona virus.

https://medium.com/@jurgenthoelen/belgian-dutch-study-why-in-times-of-covid-19-you-can-not-walk-run-bike-close-to-each-other-a5df19c77d08

Well I can 100% confirm none of that happens in The Netherlands.

Kermit.de.frog · 09-04-2020 09:41AM

average_runner wrote: »

Its simple and straight forward to obey the 2 meter rule also. More runners obeying than walkers. Maybe the gardai should fined the ones not keeping the 2 meter rule

More runners are not obeying it and that is why new restrictions and pretty likely in the next few days.

You may keep to the rules and fair enough but many are not.

The public are not going to be policing them.

adrian522 · 09-04-2020 09:41AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The CMO mentioned it in the daily briefing you don't watch.

Obviously with more numbers comes more inexperience and people who would not be aware at all times of their distance.

I have had joggers run within centimeters of me in the last few days.

What do you have to say about that?

Are you going to defend that?

And if you are not going to defend it what is your solution?

Can you post what he said? When did he say it? I actually don't believe what you are saying is true.

Why would I defend what you say other people are doing?

People should follow the guidelines, which is 2 meters distance in all instances.

That has been pointed out over and over again, especially in your daily briefings.

adrian522 · 09-04-2020 09:45AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

More runners are not obeying it and that is why new restrictions and pretty likely in the next few days.

You may keep to the rules and fair enough but many are not.

The public are not going to be policing them.

You are obviously a big fan of making claims without any evidence to back them up.

From my experience this is quite obviously not the case.

Unfortunately it is the government that sets the rules not randomers on the Internet based on anecdotal or no evidence.

And No, I don't expect any new restrictions in the next few days.

average_runner · 09-04-2020 09:46AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

More runners are not obeying it and that is why new restrictions and pretty likely in the next few days.

You may keep to the rules and fair enough but many are not.

The public are not going to be policing them.

Its the opposite where I am in Dublin. The runners are keeping the rules but walkers are walking in groups(not all from the same house), blocking footpaths, having conversations on the paths etc

crisco10 · 09-04-2020 09:46AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

More runners are not obeying it and that is why new restrictions and pretty likely in the next few days.

You may keep to the rules and fair enough but many are not.

The public are not going to be policing them.

I can't believe I'm doing this but....

How do you know that? because you are counting? do you have extensive tally sheets? On my run this morning, I came across 4 people. 3 runners who all swerved significantly to avoid me (and I did the same). One dog walker who steadfastly held their line. Ergo, no dog walkers care about social distancing.

And even if you did, they would be subject to bias because of the difference in speeds that you are travelling at. You will see proportionately more runners because they are moving at a different pace to you, as opposed to other walkers.

Kermit.de.frog · 09-04-2020 09:47AM

adrian522 wrote: »

Can you post what he said? When did he say it? I actually don't believe what you are saying is true.

Why would I defend what you say other people are doing?

People should follow the guidelines, which is 2 meters distance in all instances.

That has been pointed out over and over again, especially in your daily briefings.

I don't care whether you believe it - i'm not going back to find the exact time and quotes for you.

It was the one before yesterday. Go back and watch - it's in the journos Q&A - you can watch on RTE

You're a health nut - you should be watching every day.

Again you misdiagnose the problem due to bias.

The fact is not all joggers are abiding by those rules. You know it, I know it. It's not a debate.

And that's why restrictions are likely (not saying it will happen but I think it's likely).

Kermit.de.frog · 09-04-2020 09:49AM

average_runner wrote: »

Its the opposite where I am in Dublin. The runners are keeping the rules but walkers are walking in groups(not all from the same house), blocking footpaths, having conversations on the paths etc

I know, and gardai have powers to break those groups up.

I am walking alone always at the moment. I make a point of that.

Unthought Known · 09-04-2020 09:50AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

More runners are not obeying it and that is why new restrictions and pretty likely in the next few days.

That's a ridiculous statement with no evidence. Given the ratio of walkers/dog walkers to runners I would guess it's the other way round.

Running, Corona Virus and Social Distancing

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