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It's still more cases that last saturday, and more than a week ago, I'd want to see a drop on last weeks numbers before I started to think it was a flattened curve.
A immunologist is probably ore suited to the role that a GP.
Fox news wouldn't get a look in.
I'm calling it a flattened curve - it's simply my opinion - the only problem I can see with my opinion is the rate of testing.
Ghebreyesus is the first non-medical doctor WHO head appointed and he has covered the WHO in disgrace, immunologist or not (probably not). He has failed in his duty to protect public health, failed to question China (unlike the former Norwegian PM who led the WHO during SARS) and encouraged people to travel which helped the virus become a pandemic.
There is a petition with 750k signatures to have him removed;
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I never mentioned an agenda. I'm saying lets not start telling blatant lies.I'm not saying if you don't believe them that you fall into the tinfoil hat community, but i can disbelieve the propaganda from China without being a paid up member of said community without having any agenda. Plus what agenda could i have or better still what agenda could i, a middle aged, overweight guy from the sticks, have that would be of any consequence?
I'm aware you were speaking dramatically, but I don't think that's an appropriate way to refer to this stuff. That's the Donal Trump approach, which leads to all his contradictory statements. He's made a mess of handling this nad is now trying to deflect to the others.Grizzly 45 wrote: »Hence the idea of the vaccine. Be able to contain an outbreak in the future.Or no doubt by national mass cumpulsory innoculations,with a vaccine produced by Bill Gates and Microsoft ,[with or without a micro chip in it is depending on how far down the rabbit hole you have gone.] Bad enough that they would consider cumpulsory mass innoculations as that means you have no control anymore over your personal body.
Anti-vaxers are far more of a risk to public health than Bill Gates.
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A few posts up you literally said:I never mentioned an agenda.People are starting to believe and repeat all sorts of nonsense, just because it fits their agenda.
Which blatant lies have i told?I'm saying lets not start telling blatant lies.
What stuff.I'm aware you were speaking dramatically, but I don't think that's an appropriate way to refer to this stuff.
Please be specific in your responses as generic, throwaway, terms makes me have to ask what you are talking about.
Oh FFS. If this is a case of TDS i don't want to hear it.That's the Donal Trump approach,
Which statements, about what, when were they said. CONTEXT and specifics please.......... which leads to all his contradictory statements.
Has he [President Trump] made mistakes, sure he has. Are they completely his fault, no.He's made a mess of handling this nad is now trying to deflect to the others.- Democrats withdrew from a 2 trillion dollar stimulus package because they wanted it filled with nonsense that has nothing to do with the current virus pandemic such as postal ballots, monies to illegals, money to planned parenthood (the baby murdering factory), national arts, etc, etc.
- The President was working of information given out by the W.H.O., which in January lied to the world when they said the virus could not be passed from person to person - Linky.
- Andrew Cuomo destroyed the medical health system in New York over the last decade by cutting medicaid payments for certain people and procedures which forced 16 hospitals to close over the years. On MArch 2nd he claimed "We are fully coordinated, and we are fully mobilized, and we are fully prepared to deal with the situation as it develops." Within two weeks he was pleading for President Trump to send aid, which the President did in the form of the USNS medical ship, Comfort.
- Cuomo praised President Trump, as did Governor Newsom (Pelosi's Son) of California for President Trump's actions during this pandemic. That is praise from two of President Trumps biggest haters.
- Nancy Pelosi, Democratic House majority leader, on February 24th i believe was walking the streets of Chinatown in San Francisco encouraging people to come out and celebrate the Chinese festivities contrary to Federal mandate of staying at home. I used an NBC link so i don't get accused of using "right wing" media platforms - Link.
- President Trump banned all flights from China on January 31st and was called a xenophobe and racist. The New York times said he was "acting without evidence" by banning the flights, and in Fenrary the same rag said that PResident Trump was "not doing enough, quick enough". So damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
- President Trump was coming to the end of the Ukraine hoax impeachment and had the Democrats got their way with more witnesses it would still be going on. Still he was dealing with this pandemic at a time the Democrats were still trying to impeach him.
- During this, and in the last week, Schiff and Pelosi have said they are convening a committee with a view to investigating the President's actions and if he can be impeached again over his response to this pandemic.
It was only a matter of time before the blame game started in most countries but President Trump has had to suffer it before the pandemic, during it and guaranteed he will suffer it after its all over.
The problem with the blame game is no one is immune (no pun intended). All parties have a hand in failings of the system, but in this case President Trump is not only working against a largely left leaning media that does not like him, but a Democratic party that has hated him from day one and will always take the opposing view on any topic ( i mean they defended the Iranian terrorist parading as a General President Trump blew up).
The World Health Organisation's current President is of seriously questionable ethics and nature. Not just now but over his entire career. There is documented evidence and reports of his failings and agenda, coupled with his backing from and to China. So why is a man of that calibre, who LIED, not questioned or held to account.
Lastly so what about America. No offence to our brothers and sisters in the states, but i'm more concerned about our own country, our own government and the lack of action here.
Varadkar has taken every photo op he can but done little. Yes they've handed out money like skittles, which people sorely need, but they immediately said it'll send us into recession and we'll all pay for it in the long run.
the same Government that is fighting a court battle to REFUSE 14 BILLION EURO in taxes paid to us by Apple which is sitting in an escrow account. That would see us over a lot of this, wouldn't it.
Then look at testing. We're told that you have to show symptoms, get a referral letter from your GP, and then wait on a list for your test which can take from 5 to 14 days. 40,000 people signed up to be tested and then the list was deleted/lost and had to be started over again. In other countries they're committing to testing up to 100,000 PER DAY, but in Ireland they're waiting for a few more week before compiling their list, and then maybe you'll be tested if you have all the previously listed criteria.
Tents on the Quays that appear to be sitting idle, delays in lockdowns, buying PPE from the country of origin of this whole pandemic CHINA, which eventually arrives and is useless, and we go buy more form the same people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I mean come on ta f**k.
You talk about an agenda, and you did say agenda, but what of the agenda of those spreading the Chinese lies/propaganda? The last four or five viruses have all started in China, including this one, and the only thing the left wing media can ask is "do you not think it's racist to call it the chinese virus?".
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Yes. Referring to people online/twitter who clearly have an agenda to push, or are perhaps reiterating somebody else agenda unknowingly. Cover both sides btw.A few posts up you literally said:
Are you saying that doesn't exist? I wasn't referring to you personally.
If you want to think that includes you, that's your interpretation of course.
I honestly wouldn't have read enough of your posts to begin to know.
I literally quoted the post in question. And dressed it directly.Which blatant lies have i told?
What stuff.
Please be specific in your responses as generic, throwaway, terms makes me have to ask what you are talking about.
How is that not specific? I'll repost for you.
Overnight, no that didn't happen. It took 3 weeks fomr daily numbers to drop from 1000+ to under 50.China - The BIG ONE. I don't believe, not for a fraction of a second, that there have been no new cases in China. They went from thousands of new cases per day to none (0), OVERNIGHT.
I don't know what TDS is. But Ok.Oh FFS. If this is a case of TDS i don't want to hear it.
You are asking me to list all of Donald Trumps contradictory statements.Which statements, about what, when were they said. CONTEXT and specifics please.
I don't think that's necessary. You couldn't be denying that it has happened.
Nobody is immune from making statements. Especially when it comes to policy decided by multiple people.Has he [President Trump] made mistakes, sure he has. Are they completely his fault, no.
I'm talking about playing down the threat of COVID, saying it will be over by easter, disagreeing publicly with official actions, etc. These are his actions and he is solely responsible for what he says.
Terrible decision. But I don't see the relevance to anything I said.[*]Democrats withdrew from a 2 trillion dollar stimulus package because they wanted it filled with nonsense that has nothing to do with the current virus pandemic such as postal ballots, monies to illegals, money to planned parenthood (the baby murdering factory), national arts, etc, etc.
At that point there was no confirmed P2P cases. Not confirmed doesn't means it doesn't happen. Basic enough. A number of unconfirmed CV theories will turn out to be true.[*]The President was working of information given out by the W.H.O., which in January lied to the world when they said the virus could not be passed from person to person - Linky.
P2P transfer was confirmed a week later in January. Trump's downplaying continued into March. That excuse doesn't hold up to any scrutiny.
The US health system is driven by capitalism and private industry. It's a bit of a joke compared to other developed countries.[*]Andrew Cuomo destroyed the medical health system in New York over the last decade by cutting medicaid payments for certain people and procedurenis which forced 16 hospitals to close over the years. On MArch 2nd he claimed "We are fully coordinated, and we are fully mobilized, and we are fully prepared to deal with the situation as it develops." Within two weeks he was pleading for President Trump to send aid, which the President did in the form of the USNS medical ship, Comfort.
But why wouldn't he send aid? A major US city, affect extremely badly. THe fact the governor is a democrat shouldn't be a factor in helping US citizens.
Because praising the guy pulling the strings is a +EV move. Very sad, but very true.[*]Cuomo praised President Trump, as did Governor Newsom (Pelosi's Son) of California for President Trump's actions during this pandemic. That is praise from two of President Trumps biggest haters.
Very stupid action. As was Boris Johnson saying he was shaking the hands od coronavirus patients.[*]Nancy Pelosi, Democratic House majority leader, on February 24th i believe was walking the streets of Chinatown in San Francisco encouraging people to come out and celebrate the Chinese festivities contrary to Federal mandate of staying at home. I used an NBC link so i don't get accused of using "right wing" media platforms -
But again, I don't see the relevant. You seem to assume that because I criticised Trump I'm suggesting that nobody else has faulted. That's a bit silly.
The was the week it was declared a global emergency right?[*]President Trump banned all flights from China on January 31st and was called a xenophobe and racist. The New York times said he was "acting without evidence" by banning the flights, and in Fenrary the same rag said that PResident Trump was "not doing enough, quick enough". So damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
Pretty sure something like 40 countries had imposed restrictions. Most of them before the US. Who called him rasict for doing exactly what everyone else was doing?
Technically people were banned, not flight. As Citizens, residents, flight crew etc were still flying in.
I don't think impeachment proceedings should be grounds for credit.[*]President Trump was coming to the end of the Ukraine hoax impeachment and had the Democrats got their way with more witnesses it would still be going on. Still he was dealing with this pandemic at a time the Democrats were still trying to impeach him.
It's a bit early for that tbh. Focus should be on the situation, let the aftermath be the aftermath.[*]During this, and in the last week, Schiff and Pelosi have said they are convening a committee with a view to investigating the President's actions and if he can be impeached again over his response to this pandemic.
THe blame game will happen every where. Leo, Boris, Donald. They'll all be put under a microscope.It was only a matter of time before the blame game started in most countries but President Trump has had to suffer it before the pandemic, during it and guaranteed he will suffer it after its all over.
If any of they was reckless they should be made to suffer ramifications, imo.
One half of the media leans left and criticise him, one half leans right and supports him regardless. The sheep feed ooff what ever side they lean.The problem with the blame game is no one is immune (no pun intended). All parties have a hand in failings of the system, but in this case President Trump is not only working against a largely left leaning media that does not like him, but a Democratic party that has hated him from day one and will always take the opposing view on any topic ( i mean they defended the Iranian terrorist parading as a General President Trump blew up).
What I'm saying is, why can't see adopt some critical thought instead of regurgitated the media nonsense. The American plebs are lost. But I don't see the point in following them to that level.The World Health Organisation's current President is of seriously questionable ethics and nature. Not just now but over his entire career. There is documented evidence and reports of his failings and agenda, coupled with his backing from and to China. So why is a man of that calibre, who LIED, not questioned or held to account.
He should be held accountable. I doubt most people knew anything about him prior to this.
As a general rule, any information that "suddenly comes to light", and has political implications, should be held to more scrutiny not swallowed blindly.
I agree. I'm concerned about my personal situation.Lastly so what about America. No offence to our brothers and sisters in the states, but i'm more concerned about our own country, our own government and the lack of action here.
I don't get the worlds obsession with the POTUS. Yet, as this thread any every other proves. People know an awful lot about what's going on over the pond. Whether that's due to actively looking, or passively seeing it everywhere. I don't know.
All things considered. The Irish response has been significantly better than others (look at the UK). You can't please everyone. They give out aid. And critics complain about the payback. They, and critics complain the do too little.Varadkar has taken every photo op he can but done little. Yes they've handed out money like skittles, which people sorely need, but they immediately said it'll send us into recession and we'll all pay for it in the long run.
the same Government that is fighting a court battle to REFUSE 14 BILLION EURO in taxes paid to us by Apple which is sitting in an escrow account. That would see us over a lot of this, wouldn't it.
The average Joe doesn't seem to understand that government aid isn't free.
The capacity is the capacity. If they said everyone who wants a test gets a test, then can still only do the same number of tests per day. They'd simply have a bigger backlog, and detect a lower number of cases. The amount of cases out there wouldn't change.Then look at testing. We're told that you have to show symptoms, get a referral letter from your GP, and then wait on a list for your test which can take from 5 to 14 days. 40,000 people signed up to be tested and then the list was deleted/lost and had to be started over again. In other countries they're committing to testing up to 100,000 PER DAY, but in Ireland they're waiting for a few more week before compiling their list, and then maybe you'll be tested if you have all the previously listed criteria.
The idea the wider criteria allows them to test more is very odd.
Other countries are significantly bigger that Ireland. I shouldn't have to point that out. Comparing total tests per day is really silly.
Ireland has done 8600 tests per 1m
USA 6600
UK 4100
Australia 12000
Germany 15000
Where should they have bought it from? Please tell me. I was under the impression that china was the option turned to after European resourses were exhausted and demand greatly exceed capacity.Tents on the Quays that appear to be sitting idle, delays in lockdowns, buying PPE from the country of origin of this whole pandemic CHINA, which eventually arrives and is useless, and we go buy more form the same people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I mean come on ta f**k.
Criticising an action without providing an alternative is a waste of time.
The world outsourced manufacture to China decades ago, so goods would cheap. Are you actually surprised that cheap goods are made cheaply made. You reap what you sow.
You take issue with the fact that I said people have an agenda. Yet, you just pointed out there's a chinese propaganda agenda.You talk about an agenda, and you did say agenda, but what of the agenda of those spreading the Chinese lies/propaganda? The last four or five viruses have all started in China, including this one, and the only thing the left wing media can ask is "do you not think it's racist to call it the chinese virus?".
Jesus wept. You realise that backs up my point, not counters it. Jesus wept indeed.
I don't know what the last 4/5 virus from China you are referring to. As you asked earlier. Please be specific in your responses, as throwaway terms makes me have to ask what you are talking about?
The recent epidemics that spring to mind for me would be Zika (Americas). MERS (Middles East) Swine Fle (Mexico). And of the repeated mutated mumps outbreaks (USA, Europe).
As for the "Chinese Virus". It's quite possible that it will be know as the, casually at least. I somebody could use it without tending to be racist. Nobody takes issue with the name Spanish flu n the media. But it's also possible for a person to use that name specifically to be racist.
I think the smart move is to sidestep the whole issue and use official names in official correspondence. Which is what most people (from government to small business) are doing.
Finally, thanks for the through reply. I think you've misunderstood some of my previous comments, and are approach the reply very strongly from one "side". But I appreciate the effort you put into that long post. Genuinely.0 -
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Relevance?But again, I don't see the relevant. You seem to assume that because I criticised Trump I'm suggesting that nobody else has faulted.
You criticise President Trump and lay all the blame at his feet when at every turn he has been met with partisan blackades, refusal to help, a media that is hyper sensationalising this pandemic for political reasons, and accusations based on picking apart every syllable of every word instead of just pulling together and working to get the country fixed.
Now you see what President Trump has to deal with. Trying to manage a pandemic, and the opposition is not only refusing to help, but trying to make hay, and take his job, not mention label him as a criminal in his actions.It's a bit early for that tbh. Focus should be on the situation, let the aftermath be the aftermath.
No it doesn't.One half of the media leans left and criticise him, one half leans right and supports him regardless.
In America, as we're talking about Trump, the majority of news stations are owned by larger ones and when its all boiled down it's seven major networks. 6 of which are left leaning or with direct ties to the Democratic party. So it's not 50/50.
I am not some Trump groupie. The man shouldn't be allowed near a microphone at times, and kept off Twitter, but its not my circus, not my Monkey.What I'm saying is, why can't see adopt some critical thought instead of regurgitated the media nonsense. The American plebs are lost. But I don't see the point in following them to that level.
I admire Trump for his lack of political ethicacy, which sometimes means he puts his foot in it. However if he has achieved what he has, before this pandemic, without the help of the all Democrats and even some republicans imagine what he could have done with some more support. Now i'm not talking about Democrats putting aside their views, principles and morals (if some even have them), but i'm talking about politicians working with him because its good for the country and not opposing him simply because he won an election he shouldn't have.
But he won't be. As for not knowing him, we shouldn't have to. If he is doing his job correctly we wouldn't know his name, but he dropped the ball so badly, and his ties to China and his record in Ethiopia has shun a light on him and his fitness to hold the position he has.He should be held accountable. I doubt most people knew anything about him prior to this.
You mentioned him first by liking my comment to a Donald Trump approach. Which means he is on your mind, and it's getting to the point where its no longer Godwin's law, but Trump's law.I don't get the worlds obsession with the POTUS. Yet, as this thread any every other proves. People know an awful lot about what's going on over the pond. Whether that's due to actively looking, or passively seeing it everywhere. I don't know.
Yeah, cos i'm so busy right now. :rolleyes:Criticising an action without providing an alternative is a waste of time.
I fail to see how my opinion on an alternative is relevant because once again, i'm a middle aged guy from the sticks and not involved in the decision making process.
You're obviously not able to follow my reasoning so i'll speak slower for you.You take issue with the fact that I said people have an agenda. Yet, you just pointed out there's a chinese propaganda agenda. You realise that backs up my point, not counters it. Jesus wept indeed.
You denied saying there was an agenda yet accused me of having an agenda. Then when i questioned you on it you say you meant others but did not relay that in your post so i told you to be more specific when replying.
The agenda of China is clear enough. They intend to blame everyone else for this virus, which they have done, and try to deflect any blame from them by using people they have put into positions of power, such as the head of the WHO.
Now show me who has an agenda against China, why, and how that agenda takes shape.
Ooooh, so close, but you used that at the utter wrong time in an attempt to be smart. My use of that phrase came when you said "Stuff", which is too generic to be replied to in any sort of specific way. Still, well done for trying.As you asked earlier. Please be specific in your responses, as throwaway terms makes me have to ask what you are talking about?
So alter your ability to speak freely to avoid risking upsetting some people?I think the smart move is to sidestep the whole issue and use official names in official correspondence. Which is what most people (from government to small business) are doing.
Speech police, in other words. Eh, no thanks.
Thorough?Finally, thanks for the through reply.
Got that bit, but:I think you've misunderstood some of my previous comments,
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By the way, did it escape everyone's attention that "comrade Bernie" dropped out of the race leaving only sleepy/creepy Uncle Joe?
Well i see he said he was suspending his campaign, but the democrats are little threat to Trump and co. They are in complete disarray. Everytime AOC opens her oversized gob, Trump gets another few million voters.
NURSE, HE'S OUT OF BED AGAIN.
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