Off Topic Chat. (MOD NOTE post# 3949 and post#5279)

Cass

Wherever you see a spike in numbers there is always a reason and its nothing to do with racism or any of the other crap you hear on the so called main stream media, but usually a human reason.

Spain - They held soccer matches when other countries had them suspended. The last one of which was a Champions league game against an Italian club with 40,000 Italian fans traveling to Spain. Couple this with their apathy towards it, including the chief medical officer for Madrid saying Spain would only see a handful of cases because of the "small" land border it has with Europe. They allowed people, clubs, businesses, sporting events to carry on for weeks after they were cancelled in every other country and so left themselves open to a ticking timebomb.

Italy - Explained it already.

Iran - Almost an identical story to Italy. High trade levels with China where the virus started and an indifference to the severity of the virus which led to a media blackout by the state run media.

Sweden - This, like Spain, is a ticking time bomb. They refuse to acknowledge the severity of the situation and still allow public gatherings, clubs, restaurants, etc. to stay open. Like Belarus ignorance will decide their fate.

America - Trump has done a decent job albeit a little late but he is not the only world leader to be hesitant, just look at Boris Johnson. However when he closed all flights to China in January he was accused of being racist. When the infection rate continued to rise Mexico and Canada closed their borders so by that logic hey were racist too.

In late February Nancy Pelosi urged people to come out and visit Chinatown in San Francisco. This was slap bang i the middle of the virus spreading and this donkey was telling people to come out.

In New York Andrew Cuomo had such high property tax that smaller hospitals could no longer afford to stay open. Coupled with his scaling back of Medicaid this lead to New York being a hot bed for the virus spreading. Now it has he is expecting the Federal Government to bail out his mistakes under the guise of fighting this virus.

China - The BIG ONE. I don't believe, not for a fraction of a second, that there have been no new cases in China. They went from thousands of new cases per day to none (0), OVERNIGHT.

NOT a chance. State run tv, media, etc. means they control the narrative. Their agenda is now to perpetuate the lie that the Chinese virus is American in nature, and this lie has been further perpetuated by the Chinese owned media in America as the headlines have changed from the Chinese virus to the media broadcasting (in America) that America now has the highest numbers of cases in the world.

I watched a program shortly after this whole thing started (and was still mostly confined to China), and it hasn't been repeated since, about how the infection rate and death toll was much higher and within minutes of it being broadcast live on Chinese television the numbers of infected and dead disappeared from the screen and were replaced with numbers that were significantly less. 80,00 infected instead of the 140,000, and 3,000 dead instead of the previously listed 12,000. China also banned and ejected western reporters, western medical review bodies (W.H.O., etc), and anyone else that could confirm the actual numbers.

They [Chinese party/government] also control the narrative coming from China. They show life "returning to normal", but there is no third party confirmation. Its a blatant case of trying to deflect blame and responsibility for this virus to whomever they can.


In each case above the virus would have spread but it could have been so much less had people taken their heads out of their asses and acted responsibly from the start. Their previous mistakes, before the virus spread, are now coming back to haunt them but instead of taking responsibility for their shortcomings and mistakes they are shifting the blame to anyone else they can pin it on and hoping no one is awake enough to realise.

Rosahane

600,000 masks that Amsterdam bought from China are ineffective and being returned.

Also: Just two weeks ago the head of Emergency at Wuhan Central hospital went public, saying authorities had stopped her and her colleagues from warning the world. She has now disappeared, her whereabouts unknown.

https://twitter.com/60Mins/status/1244211674439016449?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1244211674439016449&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2Fnational-security%2F2020%2F03%2F30%2Faustralian-report-wuhan-whistleblower-dr-ai-fen-has-disappeared%2F&fbclid=IwAR0ko-tFBmzCA0d-9hqkAZVptjlr6QNPqqqPddQNeqLC1LJPu6G6IVs9ov0

fiveleavesleft

Rosahane wrote: »

600,000 masks that Amsterdam bought from China are ineffective and being returned.

Also: Just two weeks ago the head of Emergency at Wuhan Central hospital went public, saying authorities had stopped her and her colleagues from warning the world. She has now disappeared, her whereabouts unknown.

https://twitter.com/60Mins/status/1244211674439016449?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1244211674439016449&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2Fnational-security%2F2020%2F03%2F30%2Faustralian-report-wuhan-whistleblower-dr-ai-fen-has-disappeared%2F&fbclid=IwAR0ko-tFBmzCA0d-9hqkAZVptjlr6QNPqqqPddQNeqLC1LJPu6G6IVs9ov0

Has she? She was on her weibo yesterday & she's doing a livestream on Thursday. Have to wait & see, think its only that Aussie show claiming she has disappeared.

kowloon

Does anyone use one of these? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Boomstick-Gun-Accessories-Coated-Handgun/dp/B010VS8GTM
I'm thinking of making a homemade version of this for display but I wonder if a wooden dowel would be better for a bore than vinyl covered steel or would the wood possibly wick moisture into the bore (I might wax it).

tudderone

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

tudderone wrote: »

Italy knew they were in trouble with this virus, they approached the EU for aid or help and got nothing, instead the EU told them they were being fined 7.5 million euros for illegally giving state aid to the hotel industry in Sardegna, and would also be fined 80,000 euros a day until they stopped. The russkies have done more in Italy than the EU.


According to my contact on the ground there.The Russian "aid" has been nothing but substandard junk of which maybe 1in 8 ventilators work. It was basically a propaganda stunt with the Russians and the Italian Communist party who have always been close since pre Mussolini times.But no,there will be a reckoning with the EU after this is all over.Just remember this,if the EU could do this to their 3rd largest economy,they could just as easily do it to the EU class swot ,Ireland,should we displease them too.:(

At least the russkies attempted to do something, and some good however limited might come of it. The EU didn't even want to close the borders as it was a breach of the schengen laws. It was individual countries that did so. Switzerland brought down an Iron curtain. We seem to forget here that the EU is only worried about France and Germany, everybody else can sod off.

tudderone

Cass wrote: »

Wherever you see a spike in numbers there is always a reason and its nothing to do with racism or any of the other crap you hear on the so called main stream media, but usually a human reason.

Spain - They held soccer matches when other countries had them suspended. The last one of which was a Champions league game against an Italian club with 40,000 Italian fans traveling to Spain. Couple this with their apathy towards it, including the chief medical officer for Madrid saying Spain would only see a handful of cases because of the "small" land border it has with Europe. They allowed people, clubs, businesses, sporting events to carry on for weeks after they were cancelled in every other country and so left themselves open to a ticking timebomb.

Italy - Explained it already.

Iran - Almost an identical story to Italy. High trade levels with China where the virus started and an indifference to the severity of the virus which led to a media blackout by the state run media.

Sweden - This, like Spain, is a ticking time bomb. They refuse to acknowledge the severity of the situation and still allow public gatherings, clubs, restaurants, etc. to stay open. Like Belarus ignorance will decide their fate.

America - Trump has done a decent job albeit a little late but he is not the only world leader to be hesitant, just look at Boris Johnson. However when he closed all flights to China in January he was accused of being racist. When the infection rate continued to rise Mexico and Canada closed their borders so by that logic hey were racist too.

In late February Nancy Pelosi urged people to come out and visit Chinatown in San Francisco. This was slap bang i the middle of the virus spreading and this donkey was telling people to come out.

In New York Andrew Cuomo had such high property tax that smaller hospitals could no longer afford to stay open. Coupled with his scaling back of Medicaid this lead to New York being a hot bed for the virus spreading. Now it has he is expecting the Federal Government to bail out his mistakes under the guise of fighting this virus.

China - The BIG ONE. I don't believe, not for a fraction of a second, that there have been no new cases in China. They went from thousands of new cases per day to none (0), OVERNIGHT.

NOT a chance. State run tv, media, etc. means they control the narrative. Their agenda is now to perpetuate the lie that the Chinese virus is American in nature, and this lie has been further perpetuated by the Chinese owned media in America as the headlines have changed from the Chinese virus to the media broadcasting (in America) that America now has the highest numbers of cases in the world.

I watched a program shortly after this whole thing started (and was still mostly confined to China), and it hasn't been repeated since, about how the infection rate and death toll was much higher and within minutes of it being broadcast live on Chinese television the numbers of infected and dead disappeared from the screen and were replaced with numbers that were significantly less. 80,00 infected instead of the 140,000, and 3,000 dead instead of the previously listed 12,000. China also banned and ejected western reporters, western medical review bodies (W.H.O., etc), and anyone else that could confirm the actual numbers.

They [Chinese party/government] also control the narrative coming from China. They show life "returning to normal", but there is no third party confirmation. Its a blatant case of trying to deflect blame and responsibility for this virus to whomever they can.


In each case above the virus would have spread but it could have been so much less had people taken their heads out of their asses and acted responsibly from the start. Their previous mistakes, before the virus spread, are now coming back to haunt them but instead of taking responsibility for their shortcomings and mistakes they are shifting the blame to anyone else they can pin it on and hoping no one is awake enough to realise.

I was looking at the news the other night and it was showing India. If the virus gets a hold there, they are well and truly knackered. Massive crowds of people cheek by Jowl, millions of migrant workers moving around the country, its nearly perfect to spread this awful disease.

Another thing about Africa on the box, they have the same situation as India but apparently they have some bizarre notion in their heads that coronavirus only affects white/asian people !

tudderone

:eek:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1BnPMRPqz4

yubabill

Cass wrote: »

China - The BIG ONE. I don't believe, not for a fraction of a second, that there have been no new cases in China. They went from thousands of new cases per day to none (0), OVERNIGHT.

NOT a chance. State run tv, media, etc. means they control the narrative. Their agenda is now to perpetuate the lie that the Chinese virus is American in nature, and this lie has been further perpetuated by the Chinese owned media in America as the headlines have changed from the Chinese virus to the media broadcasting (in America) that America now has the highest numbers of cases in the world.

I watched a program shortly after this whole thing started (and was still mostly confined to China), and it hasn't been repeated since, about how the infection rate and death toll was much higher and within minutes of it being broadcast live on Chinese television the numbers of infected and dead disappeared from the screen and were replaced with numbers that were significantly less. 80,00 infected instead of the 140,000, and 3,000 dead instead of the previously listed 12,000. China also banned and ejected western reporters, western medical review bodies (W.H.O., etc), and anyone else that could confirm the actual numbers.

They [Chinese party/government] also control the narrative coming from China. They show life "returning to normal", but there is no third party confirmation. Its a blatant case of trying to deflect blame and responsibility for this virus to whomever they can.


In each case above the virus would have spread but it could have been so much less had people taken their heads out of their asses and acted responsibly from the start. Their previous mistakes, before the virus spread, are now coming back to haunt them but instead of taking responsibility for their shortcomings and mistakes they are shifting the blame to anyone else they can pin it on and hoping no one is awake enough to realise.

China owns the WHO right now.

Gebresius, the WHO head, was nominated to his position by China. He is the former Ethiopian Health Minister, which coincidentally received much Chinese investment recently.

See video by Fox news on the disgraceful kow-towing to China by WHO officials;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu3lm0W6saU

tudderone

yubabill wrote: »

China owns the WHO right now.

Gebresius, the WHO head, was nominated to his position by China. He is the former Ethiopian Health Minister, which coincidentally received much Chinese investment recently.

See video by Fox news on the disgraceful kow-towing to China by WHO officials;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu3lm0W6saU

I am extremely surprised the Orange man doesn't put a stop to that. After all America puts in most of the cash. All these Big Org's seem to be corrupt. Crap gold salesman Gordon Brown was calling for a one world government. Can you imagine a one world government if the Chinese communist party and its leader Xi Jinping got hold of it ? They are both agressive and ruthless in getting what they want.

Grizzly 45

tudderone wrote: »

Can you imagine a one world government if the Chinese communist party and its leader Xi Jinping got hold of it ? They are both agressive and ruthless in getting what they want.

Considering how much property they have bought in Ireland alone. A mate's wife works in a Limerick solicitor here in the convencying dept.Virtually 75% of their property transactions are Chinese names or Chinese companies. At this rate we the Irish will be a small subdistrict in Wuhan paying rent to Bejing for our own country.We wouldn't even be missed...considering they are missing 20 million phone accounts since Nov,and dont seem too worried about it.:eek:

yubabill

Holding judgement on the 20mill phone accounts lost wrt coronavirus. Intriguing, though.

Would love to know the report Cass saw which was withdrawn/disappeared with large numbers of losses/infections.

Cass

It was a video and i cannot find it for love nor money. Checked my watch, browsing history and can find the link but the video is gone.

It was a Chinese national TV broadcast and during the broadcast the figures of those infected and dead disappeared from the screen and when thy were put back up, about 8 seconds later, the figures were less than half of what they were.

China is in CYA mode. Between deflecting blame, trying to have people stop calling it the Chinese/China virus and then withholding any sort of live update on actual figures coupled with the propaganda videos of "business as usual" it's a mockery and anyone that believes they went from thousands of new cases per day to 0 overnight needs their head examined. It's a state owned and controlled media. Hell you cannot even get outside social media in China so that should tell you all you need to know about their "openness".

tudderone

Well one of the covid19 whistleblower doctors, Dr. Ai Fen, has disappeared into the proverbial thin air. Wonderful place China, the troublesome and embarrasing can be made to vanish like a conjuring trick.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/01/whistleblowing-coronavirus-doctor-mysteriously-vanishes/

Grizzly 45

Nope! She is still there and doing podcasts.It was a NYP bullsht news story.No wonder Pres Trump calls the MSM Fake news.

yubabill

Cass wrote: »

It was a video and i cannot find it for love nor money. Checked my watch, browsing history and can find the link but the video is gone.

It was a Chinese national TV broadcast and during the broadcast the figures of those infected and dead disappeared from the screen and when thy were put back up, about 8 seconds later, the figures were less than half of what they were.

China is in CYA mode. Between deflecting blame, trying to have people stop calling it the Chinese/China virus and then withholding any sort of live update on actual figures coupled with the propaganda videos of "business as usual" it's a mockery and anyone that believes they went from thousands of new cases per day to 0 overnight needs their head examined. It's a state owned and controlled media. Hell you cannot even get outside social media in China so that should tell you all you need to know about their "openness".

I believe you, Cass.

You are making an assertion of what you saw, like if you said you saw a UFO over your house - but, as someone whose job in part is detecting patterns in raw data, the Chinese figures on coronavirus bear almost no resemblance to reality. This makes me believe what you are saying over the Chinese government.

What makes me sick is the thought of "Dear Leader" Leo phoning up PRC to thank them for selling us gloves and masks at full retail.

Bit like thanking Angela for loaning us the bailout money at % interest to pay off unsecured insolvent German bank bondholders.

Deutsche Bank is going to get some karma from corona.

yubabill

OK, on the China cellphone thing the guy in the vid below (where I originally heard about the thing) says that there are many more phone a/cs in China than people, as many have more than one sim.

So he says could be that the lockdown caused many people to close second/third sim.

Same guy also makes plausible arguments for corona deaths in China of around 30k, after normal deaths taken out from a figure of c.40k deaths for the period.

He explains it better than me.

Channel is called China Uncensored.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFftsn6izic

Grizzly 45

yubabill wrote: »

I believe you, Cass.

What makes me sick is the thought of "Dear Leader" Leo phoning up PRC to thank them for selling us gloves and masks at full retail.

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Can we get a refund if that stuff is sub standard or contaminated with Corona,as the Dutch found with their masks and the Brits with their corona kits??
Or will we just bow & scrape and carry on???

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-netherlands-recalls-defective-masks-bought-from-china/a-52949216

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1262747/coronavirus-testing-kits-contaminated-covid-19

tudderone

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Can we get a refund if that stuff is sub standard or contaminated with Corona,as the Dutch founfd with their masks and the Brits with their corona kits??
Or will we just bow & scrape and carry on???

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-netherlands-recalls-defective-masks-bought-from-china/a-52949216

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1262747/coronavirus-testing-kits-contaminated-covid-19

People have being saying for decades now that shipping your manufacturing industries to China to make a quick buck, would eventually comeback and bite you on the ass. They were right.

tudderone

Bankers in the Uk being their usual vampire selfs. How long, if not already will our lot follow suit ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2laLKyJcgdo

tudderone

My reponse would be, get your own house in order before looking to meddle in anyone elses country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zPdPIGmMmM

Grizzly 45

Gotta say,the Chinese panda in cheif has a WONDERFUL sense of humour!:D:rolleyes:

Grizzly 45

tudderone wrote: »

People have being saying for decades now that shipping your manufacturing industries to China to make a quick buck, would eventually comeback and bite you on the ass. They were right.

And sure enough!!!! Just call me Cassandra!:rolleyes::rolleyes:


https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/paschal-donohoe-says-ppe-from-china-is-not-standard-for-irish-health-service-991987.html?fbclid=IwAR0bCYBvJNOIQlXvZEtmOODypiSza0_jIoQm3wroGXE6jy1-6k85U3_girU

yubabill

Just to say, with another 400-odd new cases of Corona here today, on top of 400-odd yesterday, I'm still calling it the top of a flat curve wrt new cases.

I would have stretched it to 500 new cases per day before reconsidering.



But there is a niggling detail that could throw a spanner in the works - we just aren't testing enough.

Russia, with a relatively small incidence of the virus is apparently running 100,000 tests per day - they will be on top of this whatever happens, at that rate.

At the moment, the US incidence of new cases looks very disturbing.

Grizzly 45

Guy shooting a full auto Glock,colanders his hand. With their very high rate of fire,and short barrels,they are not controllable and you do need some sort of foregrip to keep your weak hand from getting "holey". The czechs had the right idea with their version of the select fire CZ 75.Use an inverted spare mag as a foregrip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=43&v=11fcg543Jow&feature=emb_title

tudderone

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Guy shooting a full auto Glock,colanders his hand. With their very high rate of fire,and short barrels,they are not controllable and you do need some sort of foregrip to keep your weak hand from getting "holey". The czechs had the right idea with their version of the select fire CZ 75.Use an inverted spare mag as a foregrip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=43&v=11fcg543Jow&feature=emb_title

And then turns around and sweeps across the others with a loaded pistol. Didn't Beretta do a 92 with a small foldable foregrip and 3 round burst ?

Edit, it was a 93r.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JALH0gQa8gY

Cass

yubabill wrote: »

Just to say, with another 400-odd new cases of Corona here today, on top of 400-odd yesterday, I'm still calling it the top of a flat curve wrt new cases.

You've a good head on your shoulders so you might be able to explain something to me that i read in the Times or Indo the other day, as i'm having a blond moment.

These figures are purely for show with no actual data sets to support them. This is how the Government are showing that "their" efforts are working.

They are claiming the rate of new cases is slowly, but steadily dropping. What they fail to highlight is they are going on new cases as a percentage of the total amount of conformed cases.

So in the start with say 20 cases on day one and 40 on day two they claim a 100% increase. However as the weeks go on the percentage is dropping but looking at the new cases as a percentage of the confirmed case total its barely above double digits in terms of percentage, yet its hundreds of new cases a day.

This is what i mean:

Day one, 20 cases.
Day two, 40 cases, so 100% increase.
Day three, 60 cases, so 50% increase.
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Day ten, 250 cases, 57% increase
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Day 15, 1050 cases, 41% increase
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Day 20 1,600 cases, 27% increase
Day 21, 1830 cases, 25% increase
Day 22, 2,100 cases, 17% increase
Day 22, 2,500 cases, 14% increase

So even though the rate of new cases is rising, to almost 400 per day, they show the rate of infection as a percentage and that its dropping.

To me that is a lie and/or misleading.

Russia, with a relatively small incidence of the virus is apparently running 100,000 tests per day - they will be on top of this whatever happens, at that rate.

I seen that figure and it's being touted by a lot of countries. The problem i see is with Germany, the UK, France, etc. all with populations over 60 million, 100,000 a day means almost two years until everyone is tested.

Larger population countries, if they are or intend to hold to this number, are f**ked. Could be looking at a decade or more. So obviously not very practical.

Then look at Ireland. According to a recent article which shows where your local test centre is you cannot simply walk up and be tested. You must show symptoms/signs of the virus, then get a referral from your GP before you can go for testing.

At the moment, the US incidence of new cases looks very disturbing.

Its hard to tell. 5 days ago it was reported as just under 100,000 cases, now it's closer to 300,000, with between 35 - 50% of the entire country's cases in New York state alone.

Secondly what are the factors they use to determine a covid-19 death. If someone with say, pure example but use any other condition, a heart condition passes during this pandemic is it recorded as a covid-19 related death if the person tests for covid-19 "markers", but was asymptomatic?

Cass

By the by, and without making light of the current situation, the figures being shown by the media are not helping to calm people.

America shows 274,000 confirmed cases, 12,000 recovered, and 7,204 dead.

The media show the deaths, and nothing else. Why not say that some 267,000 tested positive but were asymptomatic or little complications, along with the 12,000 recovered figure?

yubabill

Cass wrote: »

You've a good head on your shoulders so you might be able to explain something to me that i read in the Times or Indo the other day, as i'm having a blond moment.

These figures are purely for show with no actual data sets to support them. This is how the Government are showing that "their" efforts are working.

They are claiming the rate of new cases is slowly, but steadily dropping. What they fail to highlight is they are going on new cases as a percentage of the total amount of conformed cases.

So in the start with say 20 cases on day one and 40 on day two they claim a 100% increase. However as the weeks go on the percentage is dropping but looking at the new cases as a percentage of the confirmed case total its barely above double digits in terms of percentage, yet its hundreds of new cases a day.


So even though the rate of new cases is rising, to almost 400 per day, they show the rate of infection as a percentage and that its dropping.

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Secondly what are the factors they use to determine a covid-19 death. If someone with say, pure example but use any other condition, a heart condition passes during this pandemic is it recorded as a covid-19 related death if the person tests for covid-19 "markers", but was asymptomatic?

It's a more precise way of reporting the data - it gives an immediate summary of where we are at the present point in time.

The y are using this method to try and work out when the surge is coming (hopefully it won't come).

I am concentrating on the daily increase figure and using the graphs of same provided on the Johns Hopkins arcgis website, which helps keep track of the same information in a less succinct, but easier to digest way (for me, anyway).

Any covid deaths are worse than tragic - this is an atrocity - but the media thrives on the sensational.

How the cause of death is determined is open to manipulation.
The recorded number of infections is open to manipulation.

China is accused of both the above.

Here, we probably can have a good degree of trust in the first, but the second is not believed 100% accurate anywhere, due to testing rates rather than manipulation.

Savage93

Cass wrote: »

You've a good head on your shoulders so you might be able to explain something to me that i read in the Times or Indo the other day, as i'm having a blond moment.

These figures are purely for show with no actual data sets to support them. This is how the Government are showing that "their" efforts are working.

They are claiming the rate of new cases is slowly, but steadily dropping. What they fail to highlight is they are going on new cases as a percentage of the total amount of conformed cases.

So in the start with say 20 cases on day one and 40 on day two they claim a 100% increase. However as the weeks go on the percentage is dropping but looking at the new cases as a percentage of the confirmed case total its barely above double digits in terms of percentage, yet its hundreds of new cases a day.

This is what i mean:

Day one, 20 cases.
Day two, 40 cases, so 100% increase.
Day three, 60 cases, so 50% increase.
.
.
.
.
.
.
Day ten, 250 cases, 57% increase
.
.
.
.
Day 15, 1050 cases, 41% increase
.
.
.
.
Day 20 1,600 cases, 27% increase
Day 21, 1830 cases, 25% increase
Day 22, 2,100 cases, 17% increase
Day 22, 2,500 cases, 14% increase

So even though the rate of new cases is rising, to almost 400 per day, they show the rate of infection as a percentage and that its dropping.

To me that is a lie and/or misleading.


I seen that figure and it's being touted by a lot of countries. The problem i see is with Germany, the UK, France, etc. all with populations over 60 million, 100,000 a day means almost two years until everyone is tested.

Larger population countries, if they are or intend to hold to this number, are f**ked. Could be looking at a decade or more. So obviously not very practical.

Then look at Ireland. According to a recent article which shows where your local test centre is you cannot simply walk up and be tested. You must show symptoms/signs of the virus, then get a referral from your GP before you can go for testing.


Its hard to tell. 5 days ago it was reported as just under 100,000 cases, now it's closer to 300,000, with between 35 - 50% of the entire country's cases in New York state alone.

Secondly what are the factors they use to determine a covid-19 death. If someone with say, pure example but use any other condition, a heart condition passes during this pandemic is it recorded as a covid-19 related death if the person tests for covid-19 "markers", but was asymptomatic?

The large testing backlog may well be masking the actual figures.

Grizzly 45

tudderone wrote: »

And then turns around and sweeps across the others with a loaded pistol. Didn't Beretta do a 92 with a small foldable foregrip and 3 round burst ?

Edit, it was a 93r.

And it's an actual "bastard" of a system.As it also has a detachable stock a foregrip and weighs a half again as the normal 92 R.So why not just tote a HK,mini UZI or micro UZI ,CZ Skorpion, or the like PDW under your jacket and have a decent gun that can be fired one handed[wobbly] if need be and actually has a proper stock and foregrip? The "machine pistol" concept has always sufferd from this problem,or being a solution to a problem no one really has had.The rate of fire on these pistols is ridicilous,which gives no accruacy past the 3rd shot,unless you have a shoulder stock,or rest of some type.Which knocks the concept of a pistol out the window.IE a small sidearm that is comfortable to carry,as you now need a stock and foregrip to control this thing. Even with 3round burst they are rubbish.Check out The gun Jesus clip on YT of the HK V90ZP ,its utter pants in the accruacy dept.

The only place I could see it being of any practical use would be if you were a driver on a bodygaurd team,and you needed this to lay down covering fire,if your vechicle was knocked out while the rest of the team disembarks with the client for a backup vechicle.As your main job is driving the car and not protecting the client,having somthing like this that could lay down FA for a few secs might be enough to keep your attackers head down,and is small enough for a shoulder rig.So you are not groping for it when things go to shte.
Anyway else, they are ammo eating fun toys.