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CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

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  • #5702
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    ScummyMan wrote: »
    You have been shot down multiple times by multiple people on the sh!te you are spreading, so you have now changed angle. People like you gleefully spreading doom baffle me

    The sh!the I'm spreading? Can you not see what's happening around Europe. Even our closest neighbour had over 900 deaths today. "Ah but sure we introduced measures earlier"... Like fcuk we did, doctors coming home from holidays and told to go into work unless they showed symptoms. Allowed to get of a plane in Dublin airport and you were free to go anywhere you want without quarantine.


  • #5703
    twirlagig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,374 ✭✭✭twirlagig


    Wish this virus would just up and F off with itself... :(
    I find Tony Holohan a great speaker. Probably doesn’t make sense but he calms me down when I’m listening to him.


  • #5704
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Corkgirl20 wrote: »
    Do they not include the positive tests from the German lab in the total cases ? A bit odd

    The fact it was a 6% positive rate rather than 15% tells us these tests were carried out before the tighter conditions for testing, so likely people infected at least 3-4 weeks ago.

    Completely pointless adding them in now. Hopefully the 99 who tested positive self isolated.


  • #5705
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    normanoffside wrote: »
    They are counting total accumulative positive tests, so you are wrong.

    Right... that’s the point to focus on. So if tomorrow there was 100 cases, we’d all shrug because it’s added to a total? Hardly. That’s one of those pedantic points that somebody who likes to say “Well technically” wheels out.


  • #5706
    Stheno
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    The sh!the I'm spreading? Can you not see what's happening around Europe. Even our closest neighbour had over 900 deaths today. "Ah but sure we introduced measures earlier"... Like fcuk we did, doctors coming home from holidays and told to go into work unless they showed symptoms. Allowed to get of a plane in Dublin airport and you were free to go anywhere you want without quarantine.

    Do you think we will get to 900 deaths per day?


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  • #5707
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Beasty wrote: »
    However, unlike Ireland, the UK are also reporting separately any deaths where Covid-19 is mentioned on the death certificate, but those figures take longer to come through

    Hence the UK is counting more widely than Ireland

    Ireland are reporting anyone with Covid-19 on their death cert in the daily numbers that are released.

    The UK aren't doing this in their daily numbers (hospitals only), but the ONS is doing it in a follow up count.


  • #5708
    Dante7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Dante7


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    ICU is full and they can't take in new patients now. That's the real problem now.

    Every single thing you post is incorrect. I would hate to be your work colleague. The way your brain works would drive me insane. Do you not get sick of always being wrong and having to be constantly corrected?


  • #5709
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,378 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    I'm not sure if I like this whole pro-WHO tact.

    Well Tony's point is that everyone was caught napping by the virus and many mistakes were made.

    The entire global preparation for a potential pandemic would be something of a separate discussion.


  • #5710
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    The sh!the I'm spreading? Can you not see what's happening around Europe. Even our closest neighbour had over 900 deaths today. "Ah but sure we introduced measures earlier"... Like fcuk we did, doctors coming home from holidays and told to go into work unless they showed symptoms. Allowed to get of a plane in Dublin airport and you were free to go anywhere you want without quarantine.

    Called off paddys day parades,while cheltenham,and sports matches went ahead over there


    Like i was looking forward to waterford beating kk,in the league above in kk,but looks like it wont happen now


  • #5711
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Well Tony's point is that everyone was caught napping by the virus and many mistakes were made.

    The entire global preparation for a potential pandemic would be something of a separate discussion.
    It's impossible to deny though that Taiwan's ignorance of the WHO proved entirely successful, regardless of what issue they had with SARS.


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  • #5712
    [Deleted User]
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    twirlagig wrote: »
    Wish this virus would just up and F off with itself... :(
    I find Tony Holohan a great speaker. Probably doesn’t make sense but he calms me down when I’m listening to him.

    He delivers the updates well. Just gives factual information that isn't politically motivated. You need good communication and leadership at times like this.


  • #5713
    declanflynn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    ICU is full and they can't take in new patients now. That's the real problem now.
    ICU is not full


  • #5714
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Celia Sweet Snowmobile wrote: »
    Good to see new cases are stable and deaths down today. Positive!

    Unfortunately when it comes to deaths they are likely to be up and down but the general overall trend will be up especially when icus become overwhelmed. Sad reality of this.


  • #5715
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    Stheno wrote: »
    Do you think we will get to 900 deaths per day?

    If we got to 75 it would be proportionally the same. Not saying we will, hopefully we will not.


  • #5716
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Stheno wrote: »
    Do you think we will get to 900 deaths per day?

    Nobody knows this.


  • #5717
    Away With The Fairies
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    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Unfortunately when it comes to deaths they are likely to be up and down but the general overall trend will be up especially when icus become overwhelmed. Sad reality of this.

    I don't think you're allowed to speak reality here.


  • #5718
    declanflynn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    The peak is yet to come in France. How can anyone here think we're doing good when we're behind France?
    No matter how one looks at this question it doesn't make since


  • #5719
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,378 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    It's impossible to deny though that Taiwan's ignorance of the WHO proved entirely successful, regardless of what issue they had with SARS.

    Nonetheless, mistakes have been made all over the place. Nobody was entirely sure what they were dealing with when Covid-19 came along. It could have been a six week wonder and quickly faded away.


  • #5720
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    It's impossible to deny though that Taiwan's ignorance of the WHO proved entirely successful, regardless of what issue they had with SARS.

    Absolutely. Countries who ignored WHO advice on flights and travel did much better than those who didn't and left their borders wide open.


  • #5721
    Stheno
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Nobody knows this.
    You do understand that the UK has twelve times the population of Ireland so 900 deaths there is the equivalent of 75 here?


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  • #5722
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    Ireland is counting anyone who dies with Coronavirus as a death. The CMO has said this.
    No I believe he said with COVID-19 on their death certificate, the two are not synonymous.


  • #5723
    Funkfield
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,602 ✭✭✭Funkfield


    Is it just me or has the standard of journalist question gone through the fcucking floor on these briefings?


  • #5724
    Away With The Fairies
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    Dante7 wrote: »
    Every single thing you post is incorrect. I would hate to be your work colleague. The way your brain works would drive me insane. Do you not get sick of always being wrong and having to be constantly corrected?

    Maybe the news is wrong as well

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0408/1129248-dublin-mater-icu/


  • #5725
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,199 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    bekker wrote: »
    No I believe he said with COVID-19 on their death certificate, the two are not synonymous.

    Either way, it contradicts what Beasty said. He said Ireland doesn't count all deaths with Corona virus on their death certificate.


  • #5726
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,137 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Funkfield wrote: »
    Is it just me or has the standard of journalist question gone through the fcucking floor on these briefings?

    They were on the floor from the start


  • #5727
    JDD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭JDD


    Okay so back to figures.

    So we can't rely on number of new positives as an indication of how well we are doing at social distancing/isolation/cocooning as a country. New positives are completely a product of how many tests results you are issuing, and we all know our issues there. Suffice to say that the 365 today is test results for people who took a test two weeks ago. And most of those people would have only taken the test a couple of days after symptoms showed up, and the average incubation period is five days. So the new cases today are people who got infected in or around the first weekend after the schools closed (14/15 March), and possible before that.

    Number of deaths is a slightly better indicator, though it appears that our handling of infections in nursing homes is resulting in an unforeseen increase in our death rate. It would be much more informative if we knew how many of the deaths so far were of people who were not in a nursing home setting. That would give a better indicator of community transmission the population at large. But as far as I can see that figure is not available, and therefore the death rate is also not a great indicator.

    ICU figures suffer from the same issue.

    So is there any statistical figures that can be relied upon to give an indication of whether we are going up or plateauing?


  • #5728
    Refractions
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭Refractions


    I didn't see all the press conference but there seemed to be a vibe of 'look, testing/contact tracing doesnt really matter like we thought it did." There was talk of 15000 tests a day while ago, with 6-lane drive thru testing centres etc. Has there been a change of tack?


  • #5729
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,199 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Funkfield wrote: »
    Is it just me or has the standard of journalist question gone through the fcucking floor on these briefings?

    Every day they ask is there a date for when we will lift the restrictions. It's the same answer every day so why keep asking it.


  • #5730
    jobeenfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭jobeenfitz


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    The sh!the I'm spreading? Can you not see what's happening around Europe. Even our closest neighbour had over 900 deaths today. "Ah but sure we introduced measures earlier"... Like fcuk we did, doctors coming home from holidays and told to go into work unless they showed symptoms. Allowed to get of a plane in Dublin airport and you were free to go anywhere you want without quarantine.

    Its not your job to worry about all of Europe, Ireland, or all the ICU's. Its not your job to worry about all the people dying. You can if you want but your not helping by fretting and posting it like a maniac.

    Look after yourself and yours and for the sake of your mental health consider taking a break from virus related social media.


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  • #5731
    big syke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭big syke


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Maybe the news is wrong as well

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0408/1129248-dublin-mater-icu/

    That's an ICU in one hospital. And apparently that particular ICU is always approaching capacity.

    You actually post such ****e it's sickening. And it's worse that some poor souls on here will resd your ****e and pass it on as fact. Spreading misinformation and anxiety.


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