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CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

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  • #5192
    lobbylad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭lobbylad


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Worldometer seem to have different numbers for Spain. El Pais and Guardian have it at 757

    I think Worldometer is the numbers since midnight, whereas the guardian and el pais is the last 24 hours, so yesterday afternoons updates are included in guardian/el pais numbers.


  • #5193
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://nhi.ie/
    There are only 460 nursing homes in Ireland so it is crazy thar COVID got into 86 of them (though maybe this figure doesnt include private nursing homes?)


  • #5194
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,375 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    wakka12 wrote: »
    https://nhi.ie/
    There are only 460 nursing homes in Ireland so it is crazy thar COVID got into 86 of them (though maybe this figure doesnt include private nursing homes?)

    It seems to me that the government reacted too late on nursing homes.


  • #5195
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Worldometer seem to have different numbers for Spain. El Pais and Guardian have it at 757

    Quiet a few of the media sources struggle with Spain. Or rather the combined media struggle to be consistent with Spain.

    They can't handle to multiple daily updates.

    Some compare the 1st update yesterday with the 1st update today. Others compare the last update yesterday with the last today. Others compare the first update yesterday with the last update today then tomorrow compare the first update with the last update.

    Personally if I post anything on Spain I would source what I'm post and what I'm comparing it to.


  • #5196
    circadian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭circadian


    old_aussie wrote: »
    To STOP CONFUSION,

    This thread should be renamed the Donald TRUMP thread!

    FFS I thought it was about Covid-19

    Hitting a nerve?


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  • #5197
    old_aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,410 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    New Home wrote: »
    You know what they say, "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem" - that's applicable to Trump, too.

    Unfortunately, we're all part of the problem, and we're all part of the solution right now


  • #5198
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Iran has recorded it's highest daily total of new cases at nearly 5000 today


  • #5199
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Anytime I start to feel positive about the trend it just ****ing reverses again .... f*ck this sh!t ...

    if you want to feel positive - then just don't read news/get off boards and avoid covid19 talk.

    All this talk about "peaking" and "trends" is total crap - it's like someone looking at the investment returns and thinking, yea they are peaking etc, you only ever know about a peak once it's happened and you analysis data. Yet here we are and you have the media talking about the peak coming this week or next, and the trend is this or that.

    It's like the media/people are afraid of lifting the restrictions late.

    We could be in the exact same position as now in 3 weeks time, we could be in a lot worse, or slightly better - but if we assume the worse, take active measures - continue the "lockdown" - then we are giving ourselves the best chance.


  • #5200
    Sober Crappy Chemis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 461 ✭✭Sober Crappy Chemis


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Some compare the 1st update yesterday with the 1st update today. Others compare the last update yesterday with the last today. Others compare the first update yesterday with the last update today then tomorrow compare the first update with the last update.

    Sounds like a scene from Naked Gun or something.....


  • #5201
    Ace2007
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    I wonder if the predicted figure of 400 deaths will still remain despite occurrences like this, 400 would seem extremely optimistic with 86 nursing home clusters

    Correct me if i'm wrong but that predicted figure wasn't arrived at my Irish experts - indeed Tony knocked that on it's head yesterday.


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  • #5202
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Spain cases on the rise again .... just don't understand it .. .

    Very disheartening.


  • #5203
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,375 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    old_aussie wrote: »
    To STOP CONFUSION,

    This thread should be renamed the Donald TRUMP thread!

    FFS I thought it was about Covid-19

    I really think some Irish people and many Irish journalist just generally have a weird obsession with US presidents.


  • #5204
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    I really think some Irish people and many Irish journalist just generally have a weird obsession with US presidents.
    Mostly we ignore them, but some just will not be ignored!


  • #5205
    old_aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,410 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    circadian wrote: »
    Hitting a nerve?

    NO,

    I thought we'd be talking about how Covid-19 was affecting your country, and many other countries, and how Covid-19 was affecting our lives, and how to combat it's tendency to kill random people.

    Stay safe,.

    PS I like to use a lot of "and's"


  • #5206
    hotmail.com
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    old_aussie wrote: »
    NO,

    I thought we'd be talking about how Covid-19 was affecting your country, and how Covid-19 was affecting our lives, and how to combat it's tendency to kill random people.

    Stay safe,.

    The ones that get obsessed about Trump think they are American.


  • #5207
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    It seems to me that the government reacted too late on nursing homes.

    i don't think it's really fair to say that - given the nature of the homes, it was inevitable that it was going to happen,

    Staff come and go - there is no way around that - there are agency staff that work in multiple homes - if no home will give them full time contracts - what do you want them to do?

    There are multiple people going in and out of homes on a regular basis - delivers, tradesmen, nurses, doctors, funeral directors to name a few

    The HSE directive is that if a resident gets the virus, they stay in the nursing home and cared for there - which opens up a lot of issues - how to avoid staff getting sick, how to get extra staff etc.

    It's easy to sit on the side line and blame the government but in reality there is very little they could really do.


  • #5208
    Pitch n Putt
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    hotmail.com wrote: »
    It seems to me that the government reacted too late on nursing homes.

    Correct you are. We’ve been a little too late on a few things.

    Just needed to be a little braver to make the tough decisions and less worried about upsetting people.

    Probably two weeks behind in decision making and that delay meant an extra three weeks shutdown now for all.

    More proactive instead of reactive and we’d have nailed it here in Ireland.


  • #5209
    Class MayDresser
    Closed Accounts Posts: 395 ✭✭Class MayDresser


    circadian wrote: »
    Hitting a nerve?

    Yes, we have truckloads of nerve gas. We can take out all of China overnight, it'll be spectacular.


  • #5210
    hotmail.com
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    Ace2007 wrote: »
    i don't think it's really fair to say that - given the nature of the homes, it was inevitable that it was going to happen,

    Staff come and go - there is no way around that - there are agency staff that work in multiple homes - if no home will give them full time contracts - what do you want them to do?

    There are multiple people going in and out of homes on a regular basis - delivers, tradesmen, nurses, doctors, funeral directors to name a few

    The HSE directive is that if a resident gets the virus, they stay in the nursing home and cared for there - which opens up a lot of issues - how to avoid staff getting sick, how to get extra staff etc.

    It's easy to sit on the side line and blame the government but in reality there is very little they could really do.

    The actions they are taking now could have taken place earlier is my point. Clearly nursing homes was the most vulnerable place to be during this crisis.


  • #5211
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    i don't think it's really fair to say that - given the nature of the homes, it was inevitable that it was going to happen,

    Staff come and go - there is no way around that - there are agency staff that work in multiple homes - if no home will give them full time contracts - what do you want them to do?

    There are multiple people going in and out of homes on a regular basis - delivers, tradesmen, nurses, doctors, funeral directors to name a few

    The HSE directive is that if a resident gets the virus, they stay in the nursing home and cared for there - which opens up a lot of issues - how to avoid staff getting sick, how to get extra staff etc.

    It's easy to sit on the side line and blame the government but in reality there is very little they could really do.
    There's also an assumption that all nursing homes are equal in how they apply standards and directives. Some do, very well, others not so much.


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  • #5212
    Ace2007
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    hotmail.com wrote: »
    The actions they are taking now could have taken place earlier is my point. Clearly nursing homes was the most vulnerable place to be during this crisis.

    And what restrictions would stop/prevent it spreading in nursing homes?


  • #5213
    old_aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,410 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    Correct me if i'm wrong but that predicted figure wasn't arrived at my Irish experts - indeed Tony knocked that on it's head yesterday.

    I got knocked on my head in a motorcycle accident 50 years ago.

    It ain't affected my some, none some what maybe at all

    Cheers lad


  • #5214
    hotmail.com
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    Ace2007 wrote: »
    And what restrictions would stop/prevent it spreading in nursing homes?

    All staff wearing the proper equipment and for staff to be housed in hotels until the crisis ends. The staff should also get a 50% increase in pay.


  • #5215
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    froog wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0408/1129265-covid-clusters-ireland/

    "The number of clusters of coronavirus in nursing homes has more than doubled since the weekend.

    Figures released today show there are now 86 nursing home outbreaks, while on Saturday the figure was 40.    "

    what the actual ****??

    What the actual fcuk indeed?

    Are workers asymptomatic and going in to work and passing it on?


  • #5216
    Worztron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,892 ✭✭✭Worztron


    I just came across this: https://www.bitchute.com/video/JIBQO4wMkSmX/

    I take it that the guy is a loon or conman. It's very confusing.

    Your thoughts, guys?

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



  • #5217
    JP Liz V1
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    Wasn't there talk of a few health care workers returning from abroad going straight back into work and then testing positive, could some have been in contact with nursing homes considering visiting restrictions came in place early March
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  • #5218
    risteard7
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I don't understand. Looking at Italy, Spain, America. Are people just not getting help with this and staying at home.

    I'm being 100% honest. It is so quiet. Yes the highly trained small number of staff in ICU are busy but it's certainly not anywhere near Italy or Spain levels.


  • #5219
    Shn99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,353 ✭✭✭Shn99


    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1247843522478321665?s=21


  • #5220
    hotmail.com
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    The pay given to the staff in nursing homes is dreadful.

    If they actually paid better wages, staff retention may not be an issue.

    They are receiving pitiful wages and are now exposing themselves to harm.


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  • #5221
    Ace2007
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    hotmail.com wrote: »
    All staff wearing the proper equipment and for staff to be housed in hotels until the crisis ends. The staff should also get a 50% increase in pay.

    All staff? do you know how many staff that could be - maybe 40,000? What about single mothers - who mines their children? What about part time workers in the nursing home?

    And what bout trades men that have to go in, or funeral directors, what about the doctors? Do you ban them for entering?

    It's like your living in a fantasy land, with some of these ideas, you want healthcare workers basically to work/be confined 24 hours a day for potentially months on end. Instead of the general public just doing what their told and staying in doors.

    Also these hotels that you mention - will those staff also have to be confined and live in the hotel - in case they pass on the infections to these healthcare workers - so now that could be another 20,000 people that would have to be looked after financially. Like i said fantasy land your living in,.


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