FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

McMurphy wrote: »

Maybe he is one of those "so stupid he's smart" kind of guys

No, just stupid IMO. Only a few weeks ago he wanted to slash the tax base and reduce the pension age.

The other possibility is that he was smart enough to spot the 2 billion hole and he knows the consequences of his proposals but goes ahead anyway just to increase his party's share of the vote.

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I am not sure if it was on this thread but some lads were having a cut at Simon over his qualifications a day or two back. As a not overly qualified person I never get hung up.on it. I never let on I have an economic's or other qualifications. But it is worth noting that the government reaction to the situation was top class compared to our neighbors. They did not need the Ard Comhairle tell them they should have closed the schools

Your benchmark is chronic though.the UK is a basket case now. Funny wasn't some anti SF lad in here last week screaming that left leaning countries were in the situation they were over socialist policies? Saying the UK & US would come out of all this swimmingly?

smurgen wrote: »

Your benchmark is chronic though.the UK is a basket case now. Funny wasn't some anti SF lad in here last week screaming that left leaning countries were in the situation they were over socialist policies? Saying the UK & US would come out of all this swimmingly?

By the way I did not realize that Hancock and Johnson took advice from the Ard Comhairle

https://twitter.com/Michael_O_Regan/status/1246875417962782722

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Did poor auld Michelle not agree with Arlene that they did not need to close the school's at one stage and 24 hours later change her mind. It rumoured the AC insisted on her changing her position. By the puss of her at the news conference with Arlene the following day someone gave out to her anyway

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0313/1122061-coronavirus-covid19-northern-ireland/

And she had no compunction changing her mind. Unfortunately it took Arlene some time more to change hers and she is still not fully on board in securing the island we are all on..regardless of our politics or religion or loyalties.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Michael_O_Regan/status/1246875417962782722

Weird that I've seen more people giving out about people giving out about Leo than giving out about him.

smurgen wrote: »

Weird that I've seen more people giving out about people giving out about Leo than giving out about him.

A lot of people are either staunch party supporters, simpletons, ignorant or just very desperate to part of a online social grouping as they are extremely lonely in real life.


Realistically, we are screwed. Massive debt, massive mismanagement, massive corruption for years. But the powers that be can rely on the fools of this country to grab onto the tiny good that they may do once in a while and run with it instead of actually realising the full extent of the problems.

To think that praise is given to a few for pulling out the finger and doing a little when they are actually paid an enormous amount of money to do much more than that.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Michael_O_Regan/status/1246875417962782722

smurgen wrote: »

Weird that I've seen more people giving out about people giving out about Leo than giving out about him.

Was going to say the same thing. I haven't heard or seen any comments at all, except his spin team and backers.
I think it's more for our benefit, to make sure that we know he's doing it.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If you are a Shinner can you tell us if 3 time college dropout Pearse Doherty is a qualified engineer?

Actually can you tell us who is qualified in anything among SF TDs?

FF are not much better either.

It's just begrudgery really.

That is a good question actually.

Are there any actual professional in their top rank?
What is MLD qualified in?
I know Louise o'Reilly was a Union Rep, which explains a lot!

Suckit wrote: »

Why is it a good question?
It's very easy to look up.

What would be the point? Is your point that it takes somebody qualified to f*ck up the country and spread corruption?
Leo and James Reilly are both qualified doctors, and didn't they do a great job as ministers of health... :rolleyes:.

It speaks to the calibre of people within the party.

SF appears to me to get a dose of 'community workers' type. Those who are indoctrinated into the party from early on and drink the kool-aid, with very little real experience of those who work in various capacities in Ireland.
In other words, most people within SF are what many people hate, professional career politicians. :D:D

markodaly wrote: »

It speaks to the calibre of people within the party.

SF appears to me to get a dose of 'community workers' type. Those who are indoctrinated into the party from early on and drink the kool-aid, with very little real experience of those who work in various capacities in Ireland.
In other words, most people within SF are what many people hate, professional career politicians. :D:D

Isn't that what they all are?
Enda sat waiting for 30 odd years. Coveney has been 20 odd..
Maybe do your own research before you start repeating somebody elses daft questions.

Bing. Google. Qwant. Yahoo. Duckduckgo. There are many more.

It's not difficult. type in the question and as much information that you have, as you require.

Would love to know how 'it speaks to the calibre of people within the party.' :rolleyes:

christy c wrote: »

No, just stupid IMO. Only a few weeks ago he wanted to slash the tax base and reduce the pension age.

Jaysus, remember all the talk about that?

That is now thankfully consigned to history.

markodaly wrote: »

It speaks to the calibre of people within the party.

SF appears to me to get a dose of 'community workers' type. Those who are indoctrinated into the party from early on and drink the kool-aid, with very little real experience of those who work in various capacities in Ireland.
In other words, most people within SF are what many people hate, professional career politicians. :D:D

now seriously. You now having to stoop so low to score points.
What qualification did Ross have, I assume FG applied their own standards to the people they appointed as ministers, or do those 'standards' only apply when talking about other parties.
Leo feck'd up big as Health minister did he not?
Enda couldnt put two wards together without digging a fecking great hole. But I guess he must have been of the calibre FG aspire to, in order for him to be elected party leader.


But enough of this nonsense, all you are doing is deflecting from the main point of the thread.
Are FG still willing to still doing nothing considering the Green's and Labour have said NO?
Is Leo truly serious about not wanting Independents to make up the numbers for a coalition?
Can there even be a FF/FG coalition when it seems from today's newspaper reports that although Micheal Martin might be for a coalition with FG it appears he might not even get enough support from his own party members.

Isn't it about time FG actually came clean?
They have no mandate to be in government, they cant form a government, and now they have to either make preparations for a new election or agree that in the interest of the country an all party Unity government must be formed for the duration of the virus crisis.

markodaly wrote: »

All of this is beyond the control of FG.
If FF cannot get support for a coalition government, then that is on them, not FG.

However, as has been clear for the past month FG are actually doing something, in fact they are doing most of all political parties during this crisis.

If you want to moan about other political parties abdicating responsibilities, you can start with the Greens, SD and Labour... all of them running to the hills.

Ill await your OP! :pac:

How else could it be the case?
FG are the only ones in government, and need I remind you they didn't even want the weekly leaders Q&A to take place or those other parties to exercise their role of holding the government to account?

As for other parties abdicating responsibility, no they are not.
They are in opposition with absolutely no mandate to form a government because they simply do not have enough seats to form a government.
If FG really wanted those parties to throw their shoulders behind the wheel they would have agreed to forming a Unity government.

The Green party is a left of centre party as well as the Labour party. Why would it be at all reasonable to expect them to support FG which in Irish politics is the party furthest to the right?

If Micheal Martin cant get his party members to support the coalition then its not on them at all. At that point it is simply a case of FG no longer having the necessary mandate to remain in government. If it is put to FF party members and they reject a coalition they could also cancel the C&S agreement at the same time.
It will then clearly a case of FG accepting that no government can be formed and making preparations for a new election when it is safe for one to take place. In the mean time they will either need to get a temporary confidence and supply agreement from enough parties so that they can remain in government until such time as it is safe for an election to take place, or if they fail in that allow the formation of a Unity government as an interim measure.