CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

ITman88 · 01-04-2020 02:18PM

Naggdefy wrote: »

Why so? Are you saying a big percentage of the 563 were going to die today anyway?

I wasn’t but the spoofer Neil Ferguson (who is advising the Uk) said as many as 2/3 were going to die anyway.

Similar in Italy, an incredibly low number of deaths this flu season is being credited with the high number of covid deaths.

Italy has had influenza pandemics in recent season accredited with 54000 extra deaths.

Death rates in Italy has hit as many as 62000 in the month of March in recent years, until the total death rates are published its speculation to suggest all deaths are over and above.

Kermit.de.frog · 01-04-2020 02:19PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

They do but the HSE have not been providing clear answers. Maybe the deputy CMO will do so today but I wouldn`t bet on it.

I think the press conferences have been poor from the journalists tbh and I have seen most of them.

They should push them away from using ambiguous language that can be construed to mean all sorts of things especially in relation to ICU.

Never mind the cases, that's the single most important figure.

Disappointing from both sides.

spookwoman · 01-04-2020 02:19PM

Now for the reagents
https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1245354908645298178?s=20

Just Saying · 01-04-2020 02:20PM

devnull wrote: »

They said they were going to fix the numbers to include home and care home deaths after it was pointed out they were under-reporting figures.

However they still refuse to do this, probably because it would look bad for the government.

https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1245337119721230340

Thanks for clarifying that.

If they 24% under reporting figure of non hospital deaths from 20/03 has continued they are on the Italy/Spain path ..

I am nearly sure that nursing home deaths are included in this country.

ITman88 · 01-04-2020 02:20PM

spookwoman wrote: »

She was sitting on a bench enjoying the sun, the lock down says only out for exercise, work, shops, medical etc. Sitting on your ar*e is not one of them.

On a bench on her own!

Welcome to the police state.

Cork Boy 53 · 01-04-2020 02:20PM

Deleted User wrote: »

guidance from HSE as far as I know is you can come out of isolation once 5 days without fever and 2 without symptoms. 14 days is only if you are isolating because of contact with confirmed / suspected case

UK NHS guidance is not the same as the HSE. In any case it is less than 7 days since Johnson announced he had tested positive.

RandomName2 · 01-04-2020 02:20PM

New cases dropping rapidly in Italy. 837 deaths yesterday, but there's a lag between case reduction and reduction in death rate

easypazz · 01-04-2020 02:21PM

gabeeg wrote: »

There was a 13 year old and a 19 year old amongst the dead

Outliers.

Beasty · 01-04-2020 02:21PM

Just Saying wrote: »

Are UK figures still hospital deaths only?

I read somewhere that up to 20/03 the deaths had been underestimated by 24% as deaths outside hospitals had not been included...

They said it was deaths of people who had tested positive. Hence it could still be missing a significant number that have not been tested

spookwoman · 01-04-2020 02:22PM

And we wonder why the virus keeps spreading.... :rolleyes:

devnull · 01-04-2020 02:22PM

Beasty wrote: »

They said it was deaths of people who had tested positive. Hence it could still be missing a significant number that have not been tested

Hospital deaths only that have tested positive.

Anyone who didn't have a test or did and it wasn't positive, who died from coronavirus and those who died outside the hospital setting are not included.

https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1245337119721230340

01-04-2020 02:23PM

EDit wrote: »

Has anyone seen any medical/scientific articles showing evidence of post-infection immunity for COVID19-19?

I did a google search, but all I can find is lots of articles in the lay press just stating that you will get immunity. Surely now that China (and other countries) have a substation number of recovery they should be able to definitively show whether people have immunity or not

With most viruses the vast majority of people with get immunity. There will always be a very small proportion who wont retain immunity, and also a tiny proportion who may have antibodies but who get exposed to a massive viral load and the body cannot replicate the antibodies fast enough to prevent illness before the immune system catches up. There is no evidence that Covid-19 is any different. Common cold being caused by a coronavirus is often cited as a reason this may be different but there are over 100 known viruses that cause the common cold, only 4 of which are types of Coronavirus. Its why kids get so many but adults relatively fewer, they just haven't got the antibodies yet.

My own pet theory as to why kids get off so lightly with Covid-19 is that their immune system has more recent experience of a type of coronavirus, so have a bit of a running start in reacting to a new one, while older people may not have had to deal with a new one in years, resulting in a slower immune response

ITman88 · 01-04-2020 02:23PM

wakka12 wrote: »

And at the current rate there will be several tens of thousands added to that. Already that annual mortality figure you posted has been inflated by nearly 0.5% in just a few days. The numbers coming out of the UK are shockingly high, theres no way of minimising this

What’s has the figure of 0.5% came from?

DeeperThinker · 01-04-2020 02:23PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Will a journalist please ask these questions...

How many are in ICU right now as of today? Why have you not been providing these figures? Will you provide these figures from now on like other countries?

They never seem to ask these questions.

I completely agree. As there has been so little testing done and many tests cancelled with a huge lag also in those carried out, the more telling number is no longer the number of infections (far higher than we know) but the number of hospital patients, ICU admissions and CFR.

It should be emphasized that the effects of a lockdown will not begin to show until possibly two, three and even four weeks as it takes that length of time for many to become critical and to unfortunately pass away. I think the government has been providing false hope in naming Easter Sunday as a point to evaluate the lockdown.

Kermit.de.frog · 01-04-2020 02:23PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Any time they have asked for numbers for a lot f things the usual answer was I don't have them

They should have them.

Everyone else has them.

BattleCorp · 01-04-2020 02:23PM

youreadthat wrote: »

Over 600,000 people die in the UK every year.

Not from COVID-19.

Naggdefy · 01-04-2020 02:24PM

ITman88 wrote: »

I wasn’t but the spoofer Neil Ferguson (who is advising the Uk) said as many as 2/3 were going to die anyway.

Similar in Italy, an incredibly low number of deaths this flu season is being credited with the high number of covid deaths.

Italy has had influenza pandemics in recent season accredited with 54000 extra deaths.

Death rates in Italy has hit as many as 62000 in the month of March in recent years, until the total death rates are published its speculation to suggest all deaths are over and above.

Of course yearly figures will give the full picture.

But without scaremongering we can safely say we have major growth in death rates.

Could you provide a source for your claim about Italy having flu pandemics causing 54,000 deaths a year?

I don't think so many countries would shut down globally if we were experiencing average flu mortality rates crammed into 3 months or so.

An Ciarraioch · 01-04-2020 02:25PM

And now the HPSC restating that the ICU figure is cumulative!

https://twitter.com/hpscireland/status/1245338278901014529

01-04-2020 02:25PM

spookwoman wrote: »

She was sitting on a bench enjoying the sun, the lock down says only out for exercise, work, shops, medical etc. Sitting on your ar*e is not one of them.

what a wanker attitude to assume she is sitting on her arse and doesn't need a few minutes outdoors to maybe help with her sanity. she may live alone, have nobody else and be on the verge of a breakdown. you or I will never know, that's why Irish Gardai apply a 2 minute attitude test and use their own discretion. She's not sick not a threat, she's fine.. or maybe she's a threat to your Lebensraum

gabeeg · 01-04-2020 02:27PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

They should have them.

Everyone else has them.

Two of the central pillars for beating this poxy virus are testing and transparency

How are we doing on those fronts?

wadacrack · 01-04-2020 02:27PM

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1245354908645298178

10000maniacs · 01-04-2020 02:27PM

563 have died in 24 hours in the UK. This is shocking.

BrianD3 · 01-04-2020 02:27PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

it is pretty unbelievable that after a few weeks of this the HSE cannot present coherent figures. they are either being deliberately obstructive or are incompetent.

The Infectious Disease Society is surely not HSE or public service? What is it, a representative body, educational or lobby group?

To be fair to the HSE and Dept of Health, so far anything official I've seen from them has been clear that the ICU figures relate to those who have been admitted to ICU. It is others who are misinterpreting this as being those who are currently in ICU. Maybe the IDS people can be added to the list of those who can't understand plain English.

Away With The Fairies · 01-04-2020 02:28PM

Strazdas wrote: »

If you have fully recovered from the virus, then you cannot spread it, as it is no longer in your system.

You can still pick it up from a surface and without washing hands can spread it like that.

tobefrank321 · 01-04-2020 02:29PM

ITman88 wrote: »

On a bench on her own!

Welcome to the police state.

In fairness, not really.

If everyone had the same idea, the park bench would be full. If everyone had the same idea to walk Dun Laoghaire pier, it would be full, or Malahide beach, or Salthill Prom, or go to any park.

You have to ban everyone or no-one.

Cork Boy 53 · 01-04-2020 02:29PM

David Norris on RTE Radio 1 now giving high praise to the government for their handling of the crisis and lambasting Trump for mishandling it.

ITman88 · 01-04-2020 02:29PM

Naggdefy wrote: »

Of course yearly figures will give the full picture.

But without scaremongering we can safely say we have major growth in death rates.

Could you provide a source for your claim about Italy having flu pandemics causing 54,000 deaths a year?

I don't think so many countries would shut down globally if we were experiencing average flu mortality rates crammed into 3 months or so.

We are not discussing shut downs, we are discussing inaccurate death rates.

Death rates which are complete speculation.

I’ve posted the link below to the recent flu pandemics in Italy.

They have had stark warning for years now, and had time to prepare the health service in the way both Singapore and Toronto did.
This shouldn’t of been a shock to anyone

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285

Gynoid · 01-04-2020 02:30PM

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1245354908645298178

That is good, but they also need the other agents to extract RNA plus do other things. As far as I understand.

devnull · 01-04-2020 02:31PM

10000maniacs wrote: »

563 have died in 24 hours in the UK. This is shocking.

True figure is probably over 600.

spookwoman · 01-04-2020 02:31PM

rusty cole wrote: »

what a wanker attitude to assume she is sitting on her arse and doesn't need a few minutes outdoors to maybe help with her sanity. she may live alone, have nobody else and be on the verge of a breakdown. you or I will never know, that's why Irish Gardai apply a 2 minute attitude test and use their own discretion. She's not sick not a threat, she's fine.. or maybe she's a threat to your Lebensraum

Wanker attitude not to obey a simple bloody rule, don't go out. She may not look sick but she may be asymptomatic and shedding the bloody virus. How the hell can you say she is not sick unless she is tested

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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP