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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #4682
    Naggdefy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Naggdefy


    ITman88 wrote: »
    The comment 563 over is completely inaccurate, and many poster are posting similar inaccurate figures

    Infact many will die of other causes because health services are so stretched with caring for ICU Covid patients.


  • #4683
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    it is pretty unbelievable that after a few weeks of this the HSE cannot present coherent figures. they are either being deliberately obstructive or are incompetent.

    It's almost as if satisfying the curiosity of people on boards.ie isn't their top priority right now.


  • #4684
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    youreadthat wrote: »
    Over 600,000 people die in the UK every year.

    And at the current rate there will be several tens of thousands added to that. Already that annual mortality figure you posted has been inflated by nearly 0.5% in just a few days. The numbers coming out of the UK are shockingly high, theres no way of minimising this


  • #4685
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »
    The UK death figures are only for those hospitalised, is that the same with other countries?

    Edit: I see Just Saying asked the same thing too above
    Just Saying wrote: »
    Are UK figures still hospital deaths only?

    I read somewhere that up to 20/03 the deaths had been underestimated by 24% as deaths outside hospitals had not been included...

    They said they were going to fix the numbers to include home and care home deaths after it was pointed out they were under-reporting figures.

    However they still refuse to do this, probably because it would look bad for the government.

    https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1245337119721230340


  • #4686
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Dumb question. If you get Covid-19 and have recovered can you still spread the virus via hands etc.?
    It's possible because there is no definition for recovered, and date of initial contact is in most cases also a presumption.

    Infected cases have been observed shedding up to 35 day after in initial contact, and more recently a time of 40 days has been reported, but these are very much outliers.

    In most case symptoms seem to have peaked after about 14 days from date of initial contact. Also most cases have ceased shedding viable virus load by about 28 days after initial contact. It appears then that after 28 days from initial contact the risk of infection would be rather low.

    The problem is that most regimes (currently including our own) have no SOPs in place for defining it, or practicable methodology of testing available for declaring a case recovered.

    The above relates to active transmission, all the usual passive retransmission still apply as mentioned previously.


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  • #4687
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Naggdefy wrote: »
    Why so? Are you saying a big percentage of the 563 were going to die today anyway?

    There was a 13 year old and a 19 year old amongst the dead


  • #4688
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    political analyst wrote: »
    https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-26/coronavirus-some-people-still-dont-grasp-the-severity-of-the-current-crisis-and-their-role-within-it/

    The woman who was sitting alone on a bench beside the pond was told by the bobby to move along. But she wasn't breaching the distance rule and she had no signs of illness. Some of the English police forces having been taking unnecessary action in response to the outbreak, i.e. the use of drones to tell people in public parks to go home.

    She was sitting on a bench enjoying the sun, the lock down says only out for exercise, work, shops, medical etc. Sitting on your ar*e is not one of them.


  • #4689
    ITman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    Naggdefy wrote: »
    Why so? Are you saying a big percentage of the 563 were going to die today anyway?

    I wasn’t but the spoofer Neil Ferguson (who is advising the Uk) said as many as 2/3 were going to die anyway.

    Similar in Italy, an incredibly low number of deaths this flu season is being credited with the high number of covid deaths.

    Italy has had influenza pandemics in recent season accredited with 54000 extra deaths.

    Death rates in Italy has hit as many as 62000 in the month of March in recent years, until the total death rates are published its speculation to suggest all deaths are over and above.


  • #4690
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,204 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    They do but the HSE have not been providing clear answers. Maybe the deputy CMO will do so today but I wouldn`t bet on it.

    I think the press conferences have been poor from the journalists tbh and I have seen most of them.

    They should push them away from using ambiguous language that can be construed to mean all sorts of things especially in relation to ICU.

    Never mind the cases, that's the single most important figure.

    Disappointing from both sides.


  • #4691
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Now for the reagents
    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1245354908645298178?s=20


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  • #4692
    Just Saying
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭Just Saying


    devnull wrote: »
    They said they were going to fix the numbers to include home and care home deaths after it was pointed out they were under-reporting figures.

    However they still refuse to do this, probably because it would look bad for the government.

    https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1245337119721230340


    Thanks for clarifying that.

    If they 24% under reporting figure of non hospital deaths from 20/03 has continued they are on the Italy/Spain path ..

    I am nearly sure that nursing home deaths are included in this country.


  • #4693
    ITman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    spookwoman wrote: »
    She was sitting on a bench enjoying the sun, the lock down says only out for exercise, work, shops, medical etc. Sitting on your ar*e is not one of them.

    On a bench on her own!

    Welcome to the police state.


  • #4694
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Deleted User wrote: »
    guidance from HSE as far as I know is you can come out of isolation once 5 days without fever and 2 without symptoms. 14 days is only if you are isolating because of contact with confirmed / suspected case

    UK NHS guidance is not the same as the HSE. In any case it is less than 7 days since Johnson announced he had tested positive.


  • #4695
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    New cases dropping rapidly in Italy. 837 deaths yesterday, but there's a lag between case reduction and reduction in death rate

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  • #4696
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    gabeeg wrote: »
    There was a 13 year old and a 19 year old amongst the dead

    Outliers.


  • #4697
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Just Saying wrote: »
    Are UK figures still hospital deaths only?

    I read somewhere that up to 20/03 the deaths had been underestimated by 24% as deaths outside hospitals had not been included...

    They said it was deaths of people who had tested positive. Hence it could still be missing a significant number that have not been tested


  • #4698
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    And we wonder why the virus keeps spreading.... :rolleyes:


  • #4699
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Beasty wrote: »
    They said it was deaths of people who had tested positive. Hence it could still be missing a significant number that have not been tested

    Hospital deaths only that have tested positive.

    Anyone who didn't have a test or did and it wasn't positive, who died from coronavirus and those who died outside the hospital setting are not included.

    https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1245337119721230340


  • #4700
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    EDit wrote: »
    Has anyone seen any medical/scientific articles showing evidence of post-infection immunity for COVID19-19?

    I did a google search, but all I can find is lots of articles in the lay press just stating that you will get immunity. Surely now that China (and other countries) have a substation number of recovery they should be able to definitively show whether people have immunity or not

    With most viruses the vast majority of people with get immunity. There will always be a very small proportion who wont retain immunity, and also a tiny proportion who may have antibodies but who get exposed to a massive viral load and the body cannot replicate the antibodies fast enough to prevent illness before the immune system catches up. There is no evidence that Covid-19 is any different. Common cold being caused by a coronavirus is often cited as a reason this may be different but there are over 100 known viruses that cause the common cold, only 4 of which are types of Coronavirus. Its why kids get so many but adults relatively fewer, they just haven't got the antibodies yet.

    My own pet theory as to why kids get off so lightly with Covid-19 is that their immune system has more recent experience of a type of coronavirus, so have a bit of a running start in reacting to a new one, while older people may not have had to deal with a new one in years, resulting in a slower immune response


  • #4701
    ITman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    wakka12 wrote: »
    And at the current rate there will be several tens of thousands added to that. Already that annual mortality figure you posted has been inflated by nearly 0.5% in just a few days. The numbers coming out of the UK are shockingly high, theres no way of minimising this

    What’s has the figure of 0.5% came from?


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  • #4702
    DeeperThinker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 ✭DeeperThinker


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Will a journalist please ask these questions...

    How many are in ICU right now as of today? Why have you not been providing these figures? Will you provide these figures from now on like other countries?

    They never seem to ask these questions.

    I completely agree. As there has been so little testing done and many tests cancelled with a huge lag also in those carried out, the more telling number is no longer the number of infections (far higher than we know) but the number of hospital patients, ICU admissions and CFR.

    It should be emphasized that the effects of a lockdown will not begin to show until possibly two, three and even four weeks as it takes that length of time for many to become critical and to unfortunately pass away. I think the government has been providing false hope in naming Easter Sunday as a point to evaluate the lockdown.


  • #4703
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,204 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Any time they have asked for numbers for a lot f things the usual answer was I don't have them

    They should have them.

    Everyone else has them.


  • #4704
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,856 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    youreadthat wrote: »
    Over 600,000 people die in the UK every year.

    Not from COVID-19.


  • #4705
    Naggdefy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Naggdefy


    ITman88 wrote: »
    I wasn’t but the spoofer Neil Ferguson (who is advising the Uk) said as many as 2/3 were going to die anyway.

    Similar in Italy, an incredibly low number of deaths this flu season is being credited with the high number of covid deaths.

    Italy has had influenza pandemics in recent season accredited with 54000 extra deaths.

    Death rates in Italy has hit as many as 62000 in the month of March in recent years, until the total death rates are published its speculation to suggest all deaths are over and above.

    Of course yearly figures will give the full picture.

    But without scaremongering we can safely say we have major growth in death rates.

    Could you provide a source for your claim about Italy having flu pandemics causing 54,000 deaths a year?

    I don't think so many countries would shut down globally if we were experiencing average flu mortality rates crammed into 3 months or so.


  • #4706
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    And now the HPSC restating that the ICU figure is cumulative!

    https://twitter.com/hpscireland/status/1245338278901014529


  • #4707
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    spookwoman wrote: »
    She was sitting on a bench enjoying the sun, the lock down says only out for exercise, work, shops, medical etc. Sitting on your ar*e is not one of them.


    what a wanker attitude to assume she is sitting on her arse and doesn't need a few minutes outdoors to maybe help with her sanity. she may live alone, have nobody else and be on the verge of a breakdown. you or I will never know, that's why Irish Gardai apply a 2 minute attitude test and use their own discretion. She's not sick not a threat, she's fine.. or maybe she's a threat to your Lebensraum


  • #4708
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    They should have them.

    Everyone else has them.

    Two of the central pillars for beating this poxy virus are testing and transparency

    How are we doing on those fronts?


  • #4709
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1245354908645298178


  • #4710
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,611 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    563 have died in 24 hours in the UK. This is shocking.


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  • #4711
    BrianD3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,758 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    it is pretty unbelievable that after a few weeks of this the HSE cannot present coherent figures. they are either being deliberately obstructive or are incompetent.
    The Infectious Disease Society is surely not HSE or public service? What is it, a representative body, educational or lobby group?

    To be fair to the HSE and Dept of Health, so far anything official I've seen from them has been clear that the ICU figures relate to those who have been admitted to ICU. It is others who are misinterpreting this as being those who are currently in ICU. Maybe the IDS people can be added to the list of those who can't understand plain English.


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