CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

01-04-2020 01:47PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I don't get the ambiguity around the numbers admitted to ICU.

Most other countries are upfront about the numbers who are actually in and have been admitted to ICU over the previous 24 hours.

Giving a cumulative figure for the whole COVID-19 period gives zero context and is irrelevant to the here and now.

Just to point out just because I have been arguing that the numbers are cumulative does not mean I agree with giving cumulative numbers. We should be given current numbers.

01-04-2020 01:48PM

Dumb question. If you get Covid-19 and have recovered can you still spread the virus via hands etc.?

01-04-2020 01:49PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Anything to say Nox?

Yes, look at the latest update with confirmation directly from the HSE.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

To put this to bed once and for all here is all the proof you need

https://twitter.com/hpscireland/status/1245338278901014529?s=19

podgeandrodge · 01-04-2020 01:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Dumb question. If you get Covid-19 and have recovered can you still spread the virus via hands etc.?

Have to say yes. The virus is on your hands and you are spreading it. Nothing to do with you as a person having contracted the virus.

Naggdefy · 01-04-2020 01:50PM

If the press conference (I can't bring myself to call it 'presser' it's like knobs who call Croke Park 'Croker') starts at 5.30 sharp, Ronan is after Tony's job

I betya the German press conference starts on time

tobefrank321 · 01-04-2020 01:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

we are not trying to stop this thing. We are just trying to manage its spread and ensue that it is an optimum level for the ICU units to handle. The fact is that, absent a vaccine, everyone is going to get this thing.

IMO, the trajectory that we are on looks like it might be as close to optimal as we can expect. I dont see the point in further restrictions at this stage.

Your alternative is that we shut everything down until we get a vaccine. Well, that just isnt going to happen, and I really think that the airports are not a big deal any more

We have another week until the ICUs reach optimal capacity. What then?

Bearing in mind a vaccine is at least a year away.

podgeandrodge · 01-04-2020 01:51PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Anything to say Nox?

In fairness, he has accepted and acknowledged the facts that have now been provided.

01-04-2020 01:52PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

In fairness, he has accepted and acknowledged the facts that have now been provided.

The facts being that the numbers are cumulative. This should be the end of this now, the debate is over.

paw patrol · 01-04-2020 01:52PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

When you make decision in life, you make them with the information you have at hand, and you hope that the outcome is right - but it's not always that simple - life throws up unexpected sh!t and you have to deal with it. You can't say if we have 500 deaths or 2,000 deaths that it was a success or failure.

agreed.

But we all knew that north Italy was poxed yet the skiers and tourists were out there. You'd be thick not to think given the type of event Cheltenham was not to consider it would cause mass infections on the return of the rabble who went.
etc....etc....

There was little if any pre-emptive decisions at the time only reactionary.

Of course, they have made good decisions, i'm trying to be fair.

But let's not beatify them yet - was only a few months ago people wanted Dr. Holohans head on a spike and FG were given a kicking in an election.

wakka12 · 01-04-2020 01:52PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Dumb question. If you get Covid-19 and have recovered can you still spread the virus via hands etc.?

Yes even if you are immune you will still pick up the virus on your skin and can pass it to other people's hands or objects. I dont think its a stupid question at all, I would say a lot of people will fall into the trap of thinking they have no responsibiltiy to do any hand washing etc after they recover as they think they are not capable of spreading it because they can no longer catch it

A different topic but I also think a lot of people will mistakenly think that because they went to get tested for COVID once because they had symptoms and it turned out they didnt have it and tested negative and then they think that they will never get it now even though their chances of contracting it are still the exact same as before they got tested

cameramonkey · 01-04-2020 01:53PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

We have another week until the ICUs reach optimal capacity. What then?

Bearing in mind a vaccine is at least a year away.

We do not know when the ICUs will reach optimal capacity, that is guess work on your part.

kingshankly · 01-04-2020 01:53PM

This day next week Uk will have some scary figures

threeball · 01-04-2020 01:53PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Have to say yes. The virus is on your hands and you are spreading it. Nothing to do with you as a person having contracted the virus.

Apparently you can also spread the disease for up to 8 days after symptoms subside.

Ger Roe · 01-04-2020 01:54PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Have to say yes. The virus is on your hands and you are spreading it. Nothing to do with you as a person having contracted the virus.

Clarification needed there with that statement - do you spread it because you are still affected with the virus, or if you come in contact with it from another source, you can pick it up and deposit it, just like anyone else?

I would hope it's the latter and not that you become a super spreader after you clear the symptoms of infection.

easypazz · 01-04-2020 01:54PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I don't get the ambiguity around the numbers admitted to ICU.

Most other countries are upfront about the numbers who are actually in and have been admitted to ICU over the previous 24 hours.

Giving a cumulative figure for the whole COVID-19 period gives zero context and is irrelevant to the here and now.

Yeah imagine trying to run a hotel like that.

What we need is, how many are checked in this afternoon, ie were here since yesterday and won't be checked out before tomorrow.

How many beds are in the system (this will vary as you need to exclude other ICU patients)

How many checked out today

How many of those that checked out died

How many checked in today

weisses · 01-04-2020 01:55PM

otnomart wrote: »

the Netherlands are still going for herd immunity:

Lockdown unnecessary - says health agency
"as long as people stick to the current measures - keep 1.5 meters apart, don't go outside if you're sick, wash your hands regularly, and avoid touching your face. "
https://nltimes.nl/2020/04/01/covid-19-curve-flattening-lockdown-unnecessary-says-health-agency

this with:

1,152 patients currently treated in ICUs

total number of deaths is now 1,173

Stop spouting nonsense ... The country is effectively in a lockdown

RebelButtMunch · 01-04-2020 01:56PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

We have another week until the ICUs reach optimal capacity. What then?

Bearing in mind a vaccine is at least a year away.

I think we'll end up in a situation where, when we are happy with say a 2 or 3 week period of sustained ICU headroom, we'll relax the lock down and see what happens. If we use up the head room, we'll lock down again.

Until a vaccine comes along, the vulnerable are in permanently lockdown. Crap for them.

easypazz · 01-04-2020 01:56PM

threeball wrote: »

Apparently you can also spread the disease for up to 8 days after symptoms subside.

Yet in the UK Charles and BoJo were both out of isolation 7 days after diagnosis.

Kermit.de.frog · 01-04-2020 01:56PM

Oxford Economics wrote: »

The cumulative figures does give contract to the here and now. It allows us to understand the likelihood of being admitted to ICU if you contract the virus. It would also be useful to have the figures for the people currently in ICU.

It may be useful for policy setters within the HSE.

It's of no value at all to the public. What the public wants and has a right to know is the pressure right now.

We don't know how many people are in ICU right now.

Every other country is able to provide snapshot figures on ICU. There is a holding back of information in this country on several levels compared to our peers.

easypazz · 01-04-2020 01:58PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

We have another week until the ICUs reach optimal capacity. What then?

Doctors will triage people on chances of survival, the weakest will be sedated and left to die or survive without a lot of help.

EDit · 01-04-2020 01:58PM

563 new deaths in UK today. Horrific numbers.

Down9194 · 01-04-2020 01:59PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I don't get the ambiguity around the numbers admitted to ICU.

Most other countries are upfront about the numbers who are actually in and have been admitted to ICU over the previous 24 hours.

Giving a cumulative figure for the whole COVID-19 period gives zero context and is irrelevant to the here and now.

It may be irrelevant but I think they were playing with numbers to keep people away from hospital and perhaps to put pressure on private hospitals as this has only come to light after private hospital signed up

weisses · 01-04-2020 01:59PM

fullstop wrote: »

Cue pandemonium in here when it hasn’t started and the clock says 5:31pm. “How hard is it to start on time ffs”.

Why cant they do it on a set time every day??

cameramonkey · 01-04-2020 02:00PM

kingshankly wrote: »

This day next week Uk will have some scary figures

563 dead today pretty big jump.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news

Kermit.de.frog · 01-04-2020 02:01PM

Naggdefy wrote: »

If the press conference (I can't bring myself to call it 'presser' it's like knobs who call Croke Park 'Croker') starts at 5.30 sharp, Ronan is after Tony's job

I betya the German press conference starts on time

Will a journalist please ask these questions...

How many are in ICU right now as of today? Why have you not been providing these figures? Will you provide these figures from now on like other countries?

They never seem to ask these questions.

youreadthat · 01-04-2020 02:01PM

EDit wrote: »

563 new deaths in UK today. Horrific numbers.

Over 600,000 people die in the UK every year.

Strazdas · 01-04-2020 02:01PM

Ger Roe wrote: »

Clarification needed there with that statement - do you spread it because you are still affected with the virus, or if you come in contact with it from another source, you can pick it up and deposit it, just like anyone else?

I would hope it's the latter and not that you become a super spreader after you clear the symptoms of infection.

If you have fully recovered from the virus, then you cannot spread it, as it is no longer in your system.

tobefrank321 · 01-04-2020 02:02PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Dumb question. If you get Covid-19 and have recovered can you still spread the virus via hands etc.?

Unfortunately yes. If you shake hands with someone after for example putting your hand on a surface where its present or touching your face, then kissing someone, and so on. Continue to wash your hands regularly, avoid handshakes and the likes. Basically act like you still have it. Good hygiene is required by all.

gabeeg · 01-04-2020 02:02PM

youreadthat wrote: »

Over 600,000 people die in the UK every year.

And this year it's going to be much higher

what's your point?

spookwoman · 01-04-2020 02:04PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Will a journalist please ask these questions...

How many are in ICU right now as of today? Why have you not been providing these figures? Will you provide these figures from now on like other countries?

They never seem to ask these questions.

Any time they have asked for numbers for a lot f things the usual answer was I don't have them

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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP