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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Looks like no one told the U.K. manufacturers of re-agent about this shortage. They know nothing about it. Politician wouldn’t lie, would they??
    Do a search for reagent shortage, plenty of other examples out there. This is Harris from this morning on it.

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/harris-number-critical-coronavirus-cases-worry-us-992669


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,758 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    To put this to bed once and for all here is all the proof you need

    https://twitter.com/hpscireland/status/1245338278901014529?s=19
    Thanks, that seems to be clarified now. Fair play to Gavan Reilly for chasing this. Earlier on, he posted a tweet saying the HSE had clarified that it was a current figure. But now at least there is a tweet from the horse's mouth.

    There was an individual on this forum yesterday who was adamant that it was a current figure and was explaining to me like I'm a child that ICU is for serious cases while telling other posters that they need to go back to school. LOL.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    Today's press conference lead by Dr Ronan Glynn is at 5:30pm

    Cue pandemonium in here when it hasn’t started and the clock says 5:31pm. “How hard is it to start on time ffs”.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    Of course you couldn't :rolleyes:

    I don't think FG bots are helping their cause.

    When this is all over there will be need for an investigation into all the mistakes FG have made and continue to make and how their mistakes gave covid19 a massive leg up when it came to spreading infections here.

    Even today they haven't the cop on to realise you can't break the cycle of new infections if you keep introducing them from outside the country.

    And as for a disclaimer I am not a SF, FF, GP or any political party supporter. I'm fairly sure they'd all be as bad in government, given the extremely shallow gene pool they are pulling from.

    Nonsense, Irish people still need to get home, very few arriving in now anyway, and they are required to self isolate for 14 days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    frillyleaf wrote: »
    In fairness at the time a lot of people had issues with government allowing people to fly to and from northern Italy and Cheltenham. The match had already been called off over here and people were still going to Cheltenham despite this. It’s not hindsight in that sense....

    Your right, it's not hindsight in that sense, but it's like talking about the next recession, we all know it's coming, but do you know how bad it will be? You can have posters galore saying that we are going to be in the Sh!ts for years, others saying months, others saying whatever, some of them are going to be right, but that doesn't mean their logic for solutions are right does it?

    Imagine if Leo came out tonight and announced that all healthcare works must sleep in hotels near their hospitals/nursing homes - and must do this for the next 2 months - no exceptions.

    Everyone else must continue with this "lockdown" for the next 2 months at least.

    There would be uproar in society - because you can't just lockdown people for large period of time with no end in sight and expect them to be ok with it. Everything has to be done in stages.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,807 ✭✭✭threeball


    fullstop wrote: »
    Cue pandemonium in here when it hasn’t started and the clock says 5:31pm. “How hard is it to start on time ffs”.

    Only to be followed by wheres Dr Tony, does he have the virus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭TheAsYLuMkeY


    This is just an observation,

    There appears to be moderators a plenty posting on this thread, must be a free for all on other parts of the forum like the parents are away for the weekend!!!!
    :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    tigger123 wrote: »
    Just because they're not doing what you think they should do, doesn't meant they're doing it wrong.

    They're listening to medical experts. That's good enough for me.

    If governments start listening to the internet for what to do next, we're ****ed.

    Their medical experts advised a doctor who returned from Northern Italy that it was ok to go to work in a hospital as there was nothing to worry about. He turned out to be covid 19 positive. That's just one example.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,785 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    What i don't get is why everything that happens in this country people blame the government. No one ever thinks maybe they are doing all that they can, they can't stop the virus - no country has.


    When bad things happen to a child they often try to blame or give out to someone else.
    As we grow older, most of us learn to take responsibility for our own actions and to realise that some things are not anyone's 'fault'.
    Some people just never make that transition unfortunately.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭Kalyke


    Today's press conference lead by Dr Ronan Glynn is at 5:30pm
    What time is the presser today??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The first line is absolute nonsense. If you self quarantine for 2 weeks without getting tested you've no idea if you had it or not, you could leave your house and contract it from the car and head back into work spreading it all around.
    Well this is the message from the CMO and you should take it up with him when he gets out of hospital. Contract it in your car? How does that work?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Do a search for reagent shortage, plenty of other examples out there. This is Harris from this morning on it.

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/harris-number-critical-coronavirus-cases-worry-us-992669

    The people who LITERALLY MAKE IT have said there is no shortage. What possible reason would they have to lie?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007



    Even today they haven't the cop on to realise you can't break the cycle of new infections if you keep introducing them from outside the country.

    And as for a disclaimer I am not a SF, FF, GP or any political party supporter. I'm fairly sure they'd all be as bad in government, given the extremely shallow gene pool they are pulling from.

    What government has ? China are constantly reporting imported cases - so even they aren't stopping people entering.

    I've actually read a lot of your posts, and in agreement with a good few, i just don't get the constant attacking of the government who have all the medical experts given them the advice, quite frankly even if Mary Lou was in charge the advice would be the same -


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    The companies who make reagent have completely debunked this. They have said that there is no shortage of the relevant reagents.
    Are you basing that on a tweet that was posted here yesterday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    I dont recall saying we were processing 5k a day. Some other posters here did. It was planned to provide that many tests a day by the end of April, up until these shortages occured.

    How can we "test test test" without the necessary reagents.

    Its like everyone looking for hand sanitiser. You assume it'll be there when you need it. You assume the suppliers will keep up with demand until they can't.

    Everyone has demand for the same thing. And we will have to wait until they can produce more.

    But you are just determined to call the service a disaster no matter what the numbers are.


    I dont know why you are so obsessed with test numbers when all experts are saying the numbers that matter are the ICU capacities and deaths.

    Test numbers are of importance for determining the spread. Contract tracing now estimates the number of contacts per case is now down to 3. It was 20. Social distancing is working.

    My understanding, and you could correct if I'm wrong but a positive test won't influence treatment. There is no cure for the actual virus the medic treat the symptoms. If they're not serious you just stay at home and self isolate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭I Am The Law


    This is just an observation,

    There appears to be moderators a plenty posting on this thread, must be a free for all on other parts of the forum like the parents are away for the weekend!!!!
    :)

    That feckin Beasty don't miss much.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,807 ✭✭✭threeball


    Their medical experts advised a doctor who returned from Northern Italy that it was ok to go to work in a hospital as there was nothing to worry about. He turned out to be covid 19 positive. That's just one example.

    You think thats unique to ireland or just a learning process when dealing with a disease no one knew anything about? Hindsight is great


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    easypazz wrote: »
    Nonsense, Irish people still need to get home, very few arriving in now anyway, and they are required to self isolate for 14 days.

    So you know they are self isolating?

    Isolating with their own family is pointless if they are infected. They spread it to their family who then spread it in the community. And then the government have to extend the lockdown, over and over.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The people who LITERALLY MAKE IT have said there is no shortage. What possible reason would they have to lie?
    This was also stated at the DoH briefing last night. Are they lying too?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    Danzy wrote: »
    There are some real knob heads out there.

    No fan of Fg or leo but himself and Harris etc. have really delivered.

    have they?
    the testing process is a sham. They could have acted sooner on foreign travel etc.. they didn't. They acted in the interest of business in particular the insurance industry.

    They are managing the optics well , and managing the mood and expectations very well with good speeches etc...wheeling out Dr. Holohan etc.. which is positive.

    We'll see when the dust settles how successful or correct they were


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    threeball wrote: »
    You think thats unique to ireland or just a learning process when dealing with a disease no one knew anything about? Hindsight is great

    Ah the old hindsight is great line.

    It was a dumb excuse 3 weeks ago and its still a dumb excuse used by FG and their base.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    joe40 wrote:
    My understanding, and you could correct if I'm wrong but a positive test won't influence treatment. There is no cure for the actual virus the medic treat the symptoms. If they're not serious you just stay at home and self isolate.
    Exactly right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,534 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Redeploying up to 16,000 SNAs back out to work to free up other workers, surely this is a terrible idea and will spread the virus, particularly if said SNAs are sent to work in care home or elderly care.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,439 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    This is just an observation,

    There appears to be moderators a plenty posting on this thread, must be a free for all on other parts of the forum like the parents are away for the weekend!!!!
    :)

    Yeah you'd think...

    :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭frillyleaf


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    But one poster is saying you self isolate them on entry - i.e. you don't give them a choice - arrive in Dublin airport - straight to hotel and you can't leave -

    The way your saying above - is that way it is at the moment.

    This is needed at this stage


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭TheAsYLuMkeY


    Ace2007 wrote: »

    There would be uproar in society - because you can't just lockdown people for large period of time with no end in sight and expect them to be ok with it. Everything has to be done in stages.


    I feel the same way, i believ they know exactly what measure they will introduce and when in small steps to get people to adjust gradually to it.

    If they had comeout two weeks ago and said all pubs, restaurants, gyms, public spaces and gatherings of more than four people are coming in tomorrow,it would have received a backlash.

    But i do think they can move faster


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,807 ✭✭✭threeball


    Ah the old hindsight is great line.

    It was a dumb excuse 3 weeks ago and its still a dumb excuse used by FG and their base.

    That was the first case in the entire country and you think the response should have been perfect, just like it was all over europe, the middle East and the states. You could do with chilling out. You'll give yourself an ulcer.


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    gabeeg wrote: »
    The terrible travel advice for Cheltenham and elsewhere will lead to many Irish infections and deaths.

    Sorry if that upsets you, but it's fact.

    This was here long before Cheltenham. It is not the fault of any racegoer, skier, concert goer, pub drinker or anyone else, and we have to stop blaming each other and get united to beat this.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭frillyleaf


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    But one poster is saying you self isolate them on entry - i.e. you don't give them a choice - arrive in Dublin airport - straight to hotel and you can't leave -

    The way your saying above - is that way it is at the moment.

    This is needed at this stage


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