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BattleCorp · 28-03-2020 3:20pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

BTW,where has the President Micheal D'e Hobbitt and joined at the hip wife got to

The Hobbit you speak of is well over 70 so has to coccoon himself and herself in the luxurious surroundings of the Phoenix Park.

Cass · 28-03-2020 3:29pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Gotta really ask,that even in times like this,what role DOES the president now fullfill apart from being a expensive rubber stamp.........

You do know that the President's role is just that. The President's role, whomever it is, is to advertise and market Ireland and they have no authority to refuse to sign a bill into law and the only power they have when it comes to legislation is to review a finance bill for no more than 7 days after which time they MUST sign it.

I said before that the role of President is entirely cerimonial but as our unelected Taoiseach does the same, only on a grander scale, you have to wonder why the office exists. Well it was created for a past leader to hold onto some semblance of power/authority and another nice pension. A bit critical/harsh i suppose, but not a million miles from the truth.

Gotta ask when this is all over,will we really trim off some useless fat from Govt like the President and Senad?

We had that chance some years back and people voted, apparently, to keep the Seanad.

One thing that has me thinking. The Seanad. I seen that Varadkar has appointed a couple of failed TDs to it. He has no authority to do so. Once the Government is dissolved for general elections the Taoiseach and other Ministers keep their offices as caretakers until a new Government is formed.

As the caretaker Taoiseach cannot appoint Senators, only the newly elected Taoiseach can, and the Seanad requires the appointment of 11 of their number by the Taoiseach then how is any legislation to be passed when it cannot pass the Seanad?

BattleCorp · 28-03-2020 3:35pm

Cass wrote: »

We had that chance some years back and people voted, apparently, to keep the Seanad.

Don't forget that the voting card for referendum on abolishing the Seanad was the most fcuked up confusing voting card ever as it looked like yes meant no and no meant yes.

Was that done on purpose, who can say. :mad:

Cass · 28-03-2020 3:41pm

Hence the "apparently" in my post. Couldn't make it too straight forward, in case people actually got to have a say.

I don't think they would have cared anyway, like the Lisbon treaty, they'd make us do it again and again until we voted "freely", exactly how they wanted.

Grizzly 45 · 28-03-2020 4:43pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

The Hobbit you speak of is well over 70 so has to coccoon himself and herself in the luxurious surroundings of the Phoenix Park.

I'm pretty sure a sanitized mike and NBC suited crew could have been inserted so that this paragon of Irish civilisation as we know it could have spoken a few words to the serfs...Er citizens of Ireland???

riffmongous · 28-03-2020 8:17pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

BTW,where has the President Micheal D'e Hobbitt and joined at the hip wife got to???You couldn't keep the pair of them off RTE news for days at a time, even were there for opening a fricken envelope someplace,and now they have vanished into their Hobbit house...er the Aras...Or somwhere else???

Is it just me,or does anyone else think it bad form,that our first citizen and "leader" hasn't addressed the nation once sofar or even when this broke 10 days ago on St Patricks day,our biggest day as Irish people,that he wasnt "Arased" to address the nation???And left it to Leona to do it??Who didnt even bother wearing a bit of Shamrock,but had his EUSSR party badge on instead?:mad:
Gotta really ask,that even in times like this,what role DOES the president now fullfill apart from being a expensive rubber stamp,that writes Gaelic hikayus about dry stone walls in Co Clare in a big house in the Phoenix park? Gotta ask when this is all over,will we really trim off some useless fat from Govt like the President and Senad?

He was on with Pat Kenny yesterday, it was reported on pretty much every newspaper site, and I saw him mentioned on a RTE.ie headline a few days before.. but sure don't let that get in the way of a bizarre rant

Grizzly 45 · 28-03-2020 8:47pm

My "bizzare rant "as you call it has got more to do with the fact he wasnt on talking to us on one of the most important days in the states calender on proably one of the most challenging times in the history of the state 10 days ago.. This is now a damage control PR stunt.10 days after the fact...:) But Hey! Some people are happy out I guess having part of their democratic parliment being an oligarchy,and a figurehead in a neuterd state system.

tudderone · 28-03-2020 9:21pm

I don't bother with irish political news much any more, you have a clique at the top who are either jumped up village idiots, cute hoors, gangsters, the lackies of gangsters (yeah that one), a crowd so far to the left they consider Marx a facist. Ignore it all and don't worry your head about that crap anymore.

yubabill · 28-03-2020 10:14pm

Interesting times.

I'm calling Italy as being at the top of a flat curve wrt new cases (attachment 1). Think we are about 2 weeks behind them.

Wondering why some countries have many fatalities and others with similar number of infections have less? Saw interesting video from a German expert - could be down to air pollution. N. Italy and Wuhan are pollution blackspots, expert reckons could be down to years of lung damage from noxious emissions. (attachment 2). Just an interesting thought. Full rant at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rInTBhGq10

Rumours about China misreporting Corona cases - no idea myself BTW (attachment 3).

Grizzly 45 · 28-03-2020 11:51pm

The scary thing about the Cellphone in China is.You just cant live without one,literally.Everything from booking a train ticket to banking ,ordering food,to your citizens social score is on those damn things,as it is a perfect spy tool for a totalitarian state.So 20 million of those accounts disappering someplace since Dec is a big question mark.

Feisar · 29-03-2020 1:32am

Apparently she's back. God I want one!

tudderone · 29-03-2020 11:55pm

Feisar wrote: »

Apparently she's back. God I want one!

Yes they came back at the last shotshow and were said to be better made than the originals. But some have being reporting problems with them. lovely revolvers, but its hard to beat a Smith and Wesson.

yubabill · 30-03-2020 8:01am

I went out on a limb the last post, predicting Italy was at the top of a flat curve, but it was easy for me, as I have nothing to lose/prove in this forum. Now experts are beginning to say what I said, but they have to be more cautious, so they will be a bit slower giving opinions, understandably. (attachment 1 - apologies for the mix-up last post).

Now I'm saying that we in ROI are approaching the top of a flat curve more quickly than I thought due to the extreme lockdown (attachment 2).

i'm getting the info here;
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Then, people's thoughts move from tackling the virus, to economic recovery and that's when the fun starts; jim rickards on sky news Aus (9 min vid)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=081bu3_P3vY

Grizzly 45 · 30-03-2020 12:45pm

Thinking about why it has hit Italy so bad.Might have to do with how they live.You got sometimes 3 generations living in a large house complex and intermingling on a daily basis in a communal area of kitchen and main dining room.They are a very family orientated society,so it would be a perfect jumping point for a virus.

One place that is going to get hammered is Sweden! They are adopting their liberalism to to ignore basically any sort of infringement on movement like what we are doing here.

Rows Grower · 30-03-2020 2:11pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Thinking about why it has hit Italy so bad.Might have to do with how they live.You got sometimes 3 generations living in a large house complex and intermingling on a daily basis in a communal area of kitchen and main dining room.They are a very family orientated society,so it would be a perfect jumping point for a virus.

One place that is going to get hammered is Sweden! They are adopting their liberalism to to ignore basically any sort of infringement on movement like what we are doing here.

I've been watching the Swedish approach with horror and surprise, don't think it's going to work out well for them.

A friend of mine was an ice cream convention in Italy in January, it's an annual thing and a huge show.

When he came back he was telling me how all the Chinese at it were wearing face masks. I was reading an article yesterday that said they have traced the spreading of the virus in Europe back to that convention, the Wuham display stand was next to the stand from the region of Italy that is/was the hot spot.

Cass · 30-03-2020 2:20pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Thinking about why it has hit Italy so bad..

Was reading, somewhere, that Italy has a high number of Chinese nationals from the originally infected area of the Chinese virus, do a lot of business with China, have large investments from China (both of which resulted in large Chinese immigration to Italy), and have the second highest elderly population with something like 25% of their population being over 65.

Couple that with the inaction of W.H.O., and the E.U. when asked for aid by Italy and they got hit very hard.

Spain is on the same level. High investment from China and their numbers are skyrocketing with numbers approaching, and soon to overtake, American numbers even though their population is 1/6th of the states.

tudderone · 30-03-2020 3:30pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Thinking about why it has hit Italy so bad.Might have to do with how they live.You got sometimes 3 generations living in a large house complex and intermingling on a daily basis in a communal area of kitchen and main dining room.They are a very family orientated society,so it would be a perfect jumping point for a virus.

One place that is going to get hammered is Sweden! They are adopting their liberalism to to ignore basically any sort of infringement on movement like what we are doing here.

Things are unreal in Italy at the moment, really bad, i know one guy on sardegna who was telling me there has been civil unrest, its not being reported of course, but conditions are grim. You literally can not put a foot across your threashold. The new sport in Italy is burning the EU flag. The EU met to discuss what to do in Italy and they decided.................nothing, lets meet again in a fortnight !

Sweden is run by tofu eating globalist soyboys and girls, Its no the slightest wonder they are putting ideology before practical concerns.

tudderone · 30-03-2020 3:45pm

Cass wrote: »

Was reading, somewhere, that Italy has a high number of Chinese nationals from the originally infected area of the Chinese virus, do a lot of business with China, have large investments from China (both of which resulted in large Chinese immigration to Italy), and have the second highest elderly population with something like 25% of their population being over 65.

Couple that with the inaction of W.H.O., and the E.U. when asked for aid by Italy and they got hit very hard.

Spain is on the same level. High investment from China and their numbers are skyrocketing with numbers approaching, and soon to overtake, American numbers even though their population is 1/6th of the states.

Italy knew they were in trouble with this virus, they approached the EU for aid or help and got nothing, instead the EU told them they were being fined 7.5 million euros for illegally giving state aid to the hotel industry in Sardegna, and would also be fined 80,000 euros a day until they stopped. The russkies have done more in Italy than the EU.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R15GyZyM4l4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-_Oob6OkH0

Grizzly 45 · 31-03-2020 12:03pm

Cass wrote: »

Was reading, somewhere, that Italy has a high number of Chinese nationals from the originally infected area of the Chinese virus, do a lot of business with China, have large investments from China (both of which resulted in large Chinese immigration to Italy), and have the second highest elderly population with something like 25% of their population being over 65.

Couple that with the inaction of W.H.O., and the E.U. when asked for aid by Italy and they got hit very hard.

Spain is on the same level. High investment from China and their numbers are skyrocketing with numbers approaching, and soon to overtake, American numbers even though their population is 1/6th of the states.

Milan is the epicentre of the fashion and rag trade for Italy.Not that any of that stuff is made there.. So they have imported Chinese labourers to work in Milan as well to learn the cutting and styles and what not.Many are there on fake papers and living in appaling conditions as well.Plus Milan has a older pouplation than most of Italy...Or did more like. Target rich enviroment for "Rona"

Not helped of course by the insistence of EU "open for migrants" and the "Go and hug a Chinaman" demos of solididarity and of diversity either by various Lefties in Italy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqhJmsZC_a4

Grizzly 45 · 31-03-2020 12:10pm

tudderone wrote: »

Italy knew they were in trouble with this virus, they approached the EU for aid or help and got nothing, instead the EU told them they were being fined 7.5 million euros for illegally giving state aid to the hotel industry in Sardegna, and would also be fined 80,000 euros a day until they stopped. The russkies have done more in Italy than the EU.

According to my contact on the ground there.The Russian "aid" has been nothing but substandard junk of which maybe 1in 8 ventilators work. It was basically a propaganda stunt with the Russians and the Italian Communist party who have always been close since pre Mussolini times.But no,there will be a reckoning with the EU after this is all over.Just remember this,if the EU could do this to their 3rd largest economy,they could just as easily do it to the EU class swot ,Ireland,should we displease them too.:(

Cass · 31-03-2020 12:53pm

Wherever you see a spike in numbers there is always a reason and its nothing to do with racism or any of the other crap you hear on the so called main stream media, but usually a human reason.

Spain - They held soccer matches when other countries had them suspended. The last one of which was a Champions league game against an Italian club with 40,000 Italian fans traveling to Spain. Couple this with their apathy towards it, including the chief medical officer for Madrid saying Spain would only see a handful of cases because of the "small" land border it has with Europe. They allowed people, clubs, businesses, sporting events to carry on for weeks after they were cancelled in every other country and so left themselves open to a ticking timebomb.

Italy - Explained it already.

Iran - Almost an identical story to Italy. High trade levels with China where the virus started and an indifference to the severity of the virus which led to a media blackout by the state run media.

Sweden - This, like Spain, is a ticking time bomb. They refuse to acknowledge the severity of the situation and still allow public gatherings, clubs, restaurants, etc. to stay open. Like Belarus ignorance will decide their fate.

America - Trump has done a decent job albeit a little late but he is not the only world leader to be hesitant, just look at Boris Johnson. However when he closed all flights to China in January he was accused of being racist. When the infection rate continued to rise Mexico and Canada closed their borders so by that logic hey were racist too.

In late February Nancy Pelosi urged people to come out and visit Chinatown in San Francisco. This was slap bang i the middle of the virus spreading and this donkey was telling people to come out.

In New York Andrew Cuomo had such high property tax that smaller hospitals could no longer afford to stay open. Coupled with his scaling back of Medicaid this lead to New York being a hot bed for the virus spreading. Now it has he is expecting the Federal Government to bail out his mistakes under the guise of fighting this virus.

China - The BIG ONE. I don't believe, not for a fraction of a second, that there have been no new cases in China. They went from thousands of new cases per day to none (0), OVERNIGHT.

NOT a chance. State run tv, media, etc. means they control the narrative. Their agenda is now to perpetuate the lie that the Chinese virus is American in nature, and this lie has been further perpetuated by the Chinese owned media in America as the headlines have changed from the Chinese virus to the media broadcasting (in America) that America now has the highest numbers of cases in the world.

I watched a program shortly after this whole thing started (and was still mostly confined to China), and it hasn't been repeated since, about how the infection rate and death toll was much higher and within minutes of it being broadcast live on Chinese television the numbers of infected and dead disappeared from the screen and were replaced with numbers that were significantly less. 80,00 infected instead of the 140,000, and 3,000 dead instead of the previously listed 12,000. China also banned and ejected western reporters, western medical review bodies (W.H.O., etc), and anyone else that could confirm the actual numbers.

They [Chinese party/government] also control the narrative coming from China. They show life "returning to normal", but there is no third party confirmation. Its a blatant case of trying to deflect blame and responsibility for this virus to whomever they can.

In each case above the virus would have spread but it could have been so much less had people taken their heads out of their asses and acted responsibly from the start. Their previous mistakes, before the virus spread, are now coming back to haunt them but instead of taking responsibility for their shortcomings and mistakes they are shifting the blame to anyone else they can pin it on and hoping no one is awake enough to realise.

Rosahane · 31-03-2020 2:39pm

600,000 masks that Amsterdam bought from China are ineffective and being returned.

Also: Just two weeks ago the head of Emergency at Wuhan Central hospital went public, saying authorities had stopped her and her colleagues from warning the world. She has now disappeared, her whereabouts unknown.

https://twitter.com/60Mins/status/1244211674439016449?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1244211674439016449&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2Fnational-security%2F2020%2F03%2F30%2Faustralian-report-wuhan-whistleblower-dr-ai-fen-has-disappeared%2F&fbclid=IwAR0ko-tFBmzCA0d-9hqkAZVptjlr6QNPqqqPddQNeqLC1LJPu6G6IVs9ov0

fiveleavesleft · 31-03-2020 3:06pm

Rosahane wrote: »

600,000 masks that Amsterdam bought from China are ineffective and being returned.

Also: Just two weeks ago the head of Emergency at Wuhan Central hospital went public, saying authorities had stopped her and her colleagues from warning the world. She has now disappeared, her whereabouts unknown.

https://twitter.com/60Mins/status/1244211674439016449?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1244211674439016449&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2Fnational-security%2F2020%2F03%2F30%2Faustralian-report-wuhan-whistleblower-dr-ai-fen-has-disappeared%2F&fbclid=IwAR0ko-tFBmzCA0d-9hqkAZVptjlr6QNPqqqPddQNeqLC1LJPu6G6IVs9ov0

Has she? She was on her weibo yesterday & she's doing a livestream on Thursday. Have to wait & see, think its only that Aussie show claiming she has disappeared.

kowloon · 31-03-2020 7:13pm

Does anyone use one of these? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Boomstick-Gun-Accessories-Coated-Handgun/dp/B010VS8GTM
I'm thinking of making a homemade version of this for display but I wonder if a wooden dowel would be better for a bore than vinyl covered steel or would the wood possibly wick moisture into the bore (I might wax it).

tudderone · 31-03-2020 7:26pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

tudderone wrote: »

Italy knew they were in trouble with this virus, they approached the EU for aid or help and got nothing, instead the EU told them they were being fined 7.5 million euros for illegally giving state aid to the hotel industry in Sardegna, and would also be fined 80,000 euros a day until they stopped. The russkies have done more in Italy than the EU.

According to my contact on the ground there.The Russian "aid" has been nothing but substandard junk of which maybe 1in 8 ventilators work. It was basically a propaganda stunt with the Russians and the Italian Communist party who have always been close since pre Mussolini times.But no,there will be a reckoning with the EU after this is all over.Just remember this,if the EU could do this to their 3rd largest economy,they could just as easily do it to the EU class swot ,Ireland,should we displease them too.:(

At least the russkies attempted to do something, and some good however limited might come of it. The EU didn't even want to close the borders as it was a breach of the schengen laws. It was individual countries that did so. Switzerland brought down an Iron curtain. We seem to forget here that the EU is only worried about France and Germany, everybody else can sod off.

tudderone · 31-03-2020 7:34pm

Cass wrote: »

Wherever you see a spike in numbers there is always a reason and its nothing to do with racism or any of the other crap you hear on the so called main stream media, but usually a human reason.

Spain - They held soccer matches when other countries had them suspended. The last one of which was a Champions league game against an Italian club with 40,000 Italian fans traveling to Spain. Couple this with their apathy towards it, including the chief medical officer for Madrid saying Spain would only see a handful of cases because of the "small" land border it has with Europe. They allowed people, clubs, businesses, sporting events to carry on for weeks after they were cancelled in every other country and so left themselves open to a ticking timebomb.

Italy - Explained it already.

Iran - Almost an identical story to Italy. High trade levels with China where the virus started and an indifference to the severity of the virus which led to a media blackout by the state run media.

Sweden - This, like Spain, is a ticking time bomb. They refuse to acknowledge the severity of the situation and still allow public gatherings, clubs, restaurants, etc. to stay open. Like Belarus ignorance will decide their fate.

America - Trump has done a decent job albeit a little late but he is not the only world leader to be hesitant, just look at Boris Johnson. However when he closed all flights to China in January he was accused of being racist. When the infection rate continued to rise Mexico and Canada closed their borders so by that logic hey were racist too.

In late February Nancy Pelosi urged people to come out and visit Chinatown in San Francisco. This was slap bang i the middle of the virus spreading and this donkey was telling people to come out.

In New York Andrew Cuomo had such high property tax that smaller hospitals could no longer afford to stay open. Coupled with his scaling back of Medicaid this lead to New York being a hot bed for the virus spreading. Now it has he is expecting the Federal Government to bail out his mistakes under the guise of fighting this virus.

China - The BIG ONE. I don't believe, not for a fraction of a second, that there have been no new cases in China. They went from thousands of new cases per day to none (0), OVERNIGHT.

NOT a chance. State run tv, media, etc. means they control the narrative. Their agenda is now to perpetuate the lie that the Chinese virus is American in nature, and this lie has been further perpetuated by the Chinese owned media in America as the headlines have changed from the Chinese virus to the media broadcasting (in America) that America now has the highest numbers of cases in the world.

I watched a program shortly after this whole thing started (and was still mostly confined to China), and it hasn't been repeated since, about how the infection rate and death toll was much higher and within minutes of it being broadcast live on Chinese television the numbers of infected and dead disappeared from the screen and were replaced with numbers that were significantly less. 80,00 infected instead of the 140,000, and 3,000 dead instead of the previously listed 12,000. China also banned and ejected western reporters, western medical review bodies (W.H.O., etc), and anyone else that could confirm the actual numbers.

They [Chinese party/government] also control the narrative coming from China. They show life "returning to normal", but there is no third party confirmation. Its a blatant case of trying to deflect blame and responsibility for this virus to whomever they can.

In each case above the virus would have spread but it could have been so much less had people taken their heads out of their asses and acted responsibly from the start. Their previous mistakes, before the virus spread, are now coming back to haunt them but instead of taking responsibility for their shortcomings and mistakes they are shifting the blame to anyone else they can pin it on and hoping no one is awake enough to realise.

I was looking at the news the other night and it was showing India. If the virus gets a hold there, they are well and truly knackered. Massive crowds of people cheek by Jowl, millions of migrant workers moving around the country, its nearly perfect to spread this awful disease.

Another thing about Africa on the box, they have the same situation as India but apparently they have some bizarre notion in their heads that coronavirus only affects white/asian people !

tudderone · 31-03-2020 9:47pm

:eek:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1BnPMRPqz4

yubabill · 31-03-2020 10:14pm

Cass wrote: »

China - The BIG ONE. I don't believe, not for a fraction of a second, that there have been no new cases in China. They went from thousands of new cases per day to none (0), OVERNIGHT.

NOT a chance. State run tv, media, etc. means they control the narrative. Their agenda is now to perpetuate the lie that the Chinese virus is American in nature, and this lie has been further perpetuated by the Chinese owned media in America as the headlines have changed from the Chinese virus to the media broadcasting (in America) that America now has the highest numbers of cases in the world.

I watched a program shortly after this whole thing started (and was still mostly confined to China), and it hasn't been repeated since, about how the infection rate and death toll was much higher and within minutes of it being broadcast live on Chinese television the numbers of infected and dead disappeared from the screen and were replaced with numbers that were significantly less. 80,00 infected instead of the 140,000, and 3,000 dead instead of the previously listed 12,000. China also banned and ejected western reporters, western medical review bodies (W.H.O., etc), and anyone else that could confirm the actual numbers.

They [Chinese party/government] also control the narrative coming from China. They show life "returning to normal", but there is no third party confirmation. Its a blatant case of trying to deflect blame and responsibility for this virus to whomever they can.

In each case above the virus would have spread but it could have been so much less had people taken their heads out of their asses and acted responsibly from the start. Their previous mistakes, before the virus spread, are now coming back to haunt them but instead of taking responsibility for their shortcomings and mistakes they are shifting the blame to anyone else they can pin it on and hoping no one is awake enough to realise.

China owns the WHO right now.

Gebresius, the WHO head, was nominated to his position by China. He is the former Ethiopian Health Minister, which coincidentally received much Chinese investment recently.

See video by Fox news on the disgraceful kow-towing to China by WHO officials;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu3lm0W6saU

tudderone · 31-03-2020 10:54pm

yubabill wrote: »

China owns the WHO right now.

Gebresius, the WHO head, was nominated to his position by China. He is the former Ethiopian Health Minister, which coincidentally received much Chinese investment recently.

See video by Fox news on the disgraceful kow-towing to China by WHO officials;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu3lm0W6saU

I am extremely surprised the Orange man doesn't put a stop to that. After all America puts in most of the cash. All these Big Org's seem to be corrupt. Crap gold salesman Gordon Brown was calling for a one world government. Can you imagine a one world government if the Chinese communist party and its leader Xi Jinping got hold of it ? They are both agressive and ruthless in getting what they want.

Grizzly 45 · 01-04-2020 11:51am

tudderone wrote: »

Can you imagine a one world government if the Chinese communist party and its leader Xi Jinping got hold of it ? They are both agressive and ruthless in getting what they want.

Considering how much property they have bought in Ireland alone. A mate's wife works in a Limerick solicitor here in the convencying dept.Virtually 75% of their property transactions are Chinese names or Chinese companies. At this rate we the Irish will be a small subdistrict in Wuhan paying rent to Bejing for our own country.We wouldn't even be missed...considering they are missing 20 million phone accounts since Nov,and dont seem too worried about it.:eek:

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