Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Wanderer78 · 29-03-2020 10:11AM

J_1980 wrote:

Its the only way to fund a welfare state. No asset price inflation, no money supply increase. There has never been a welfare state under the gold standard Yes FDR started it under it, but it didnâ€™t even last 30years (end of Bretton Woods).

So you want a welfare state and a free market, baring in mind, we currently live in a free market economy? It's also important to realise, many, possibly most policies over the last few decades have been geared towards continual asset price inflation, and without a continual growing money supply, our economies would probably become stagnate, as money has been a critical component of that, as you said, largely in the form of credit

Wanderer78 · 29-03-2020 10:12AM

J_1980 wrote:

Basic: a&e, all basic illness, but expect delays and mediocre service. Plus waiting times for non-urgent things.

Sounds really interesting, I think we should also load the country up with guns, alcohol and drugs, just to see what happens

Leroy42 · 29-03-2020 10:15AM

J_1980 wrote: »

It should be free markets/capitalism first.
The state should just reign into any cronyism and should provide BASIC services that benefit everyone (basic unemployment insurance, basic healthcare etc). No free gaffs for a few, no xmas bonus and 850 a month for lifetime dolers.

You do remember the 2008 crash and the bailout? How many free gaffs did that equate to?

But just as you argue that the state should maintain the basics (except in times of crisis such as now but without the means to deal with it apparently) one can make a similar argument that capitalism should require only a basic profit.

No bailouts, no wage subsidies no r&d Grant's, no tax write offs.

Because it is believed that allowances in areas such as these provide benefits overall.

But when considering the cost of housing, dole etc, it is only fair to understand the real cost which needs to take account of the potential cost of doing nothing.

To we are way OT at this point.

J_1980 · 29-03-2020 10:16AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

So you want a welfare state and a free market, baring in mind, we currently live in a free market economy? It's also important to realise, many, possibly most policies over the last few decades have been geared towards continual asset price inflation, and without a continual growing money supply, our economies would probably become stagnate, as money has been a critical component of that, as you said, largely in the form of credit

You can slow the need for money supply growth like Switzerland does by not doling out as much welfare.
If the welfare isn’t coming from money supply increases it has to come out of the pocket of the middle class like in Ireland (irish m3 growth has been anaemic). More welfare is just fueling the flames, but people are too stupid to realize this.

Wanderer78 · 29-03-2020 10:20AM

J_1980 wrote:

You can slow the need for money supply growth like Switzerland does by not doling out as much welfare. If the welfare isnâ€™t coming from money supply increases it has to come out of the pocket of the middle class like in Ireland (irish m3 growth has been anaemic). More welfare is just fueling the flames, but people are too stupid to realize this.

But most money globally comes from banks in the form of credit, what has this got to do with welfare? Maybe there's an issue with our credit creation systems, which in turn just continually increases asset prices, thus our debts, particularly private debt

LuasSimon · 29-03-2020 10:26AM

FF 34%
SF 28%

FF18%

These are the latest poll figures , FG getting deserved credit for work in this strange times , SF still polling large numbers whilst FF are dropping and dropping . If there should be any coalition it should be a FG-SF coalition with a smaller party

J_1980 · 29-03-2020 10:27AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

But most money globally comes from banks in the form of credit, what has this got to do with welfare? Maybe there's an issue with our credit creation systems, which in turn just continually increases asset prices, thus our debts, particularly private debt

Look as money supply as national accounts instead of individuals.
In a world with 100 gold coins, if Dennis Obrien owns 20, and the middle class 80 and DOB can just move to Cyprus where do you take the money to pay welfare from?
Now if the middle class can buy a house on credit for 5 coins, you have 105 coins in the system (money creation via credit) which will ultimately filter into government purse via taxation.
Now the government can spend 5 without taking any from the 80 the middle class has.

This is a very simplified example but maybe you get the point of it..

Runaways · 29-03-2020 10:29AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

A twitter account? That’s he best you could come up with?

The official SF announcement was my reference. Twitter is good for, well looking at a shower of idiots if so inclined

And boards is any better?

Again. Laughable.

Runaways · 29-03-2020 10:30AM

J_1980 wrote: »

Everyone who wants to raise the dole by 25% in times of full employment and labor shortages is hard left.
Luckily for this virus, the hard left is over. The post-virus economy will be a fierce global competition for brain&talent&resources good for workers, bad for spongers

The government just did exactly that. It’s €305 if you’ve lost your job owing to the crisis.

Fine Gael implementing all these lefty policies must have escaped your attention.

Sultan_of_Ping · 29-03-2020 10:31AM

Runaways wrote: »

SF do not take MP wages in Westminster no. And in my experience they do earn their money within their constituencies. Where they work. For their constituents.

Yes, but you posted up a tweet from an SF TD that said

"Some TDs thing [sic] its OK to take expenses that aren’t really earned."

Do SF MPs in Westminster take expenses?

Also, the point you seem to missing is that any representation or work on behalf of constituents will be underaken through the context of fealty to the ard comhairle - in other words any representation or work is both contingent and conditional.

And we've already seen with the child abuse and bullying complaints that the party and its apparatchiks will place party interests above all else when it comes to it - so by definition SF elected representatives to Dail Eireann are not "People's Deputies" - they are there only to represent and work on behalf of constituents when their interests align with the party.

SF are only interested in power entirely for its own sake. They are not interested in the good of others; just interested solely in power, pure power.

In fact, as their administration of Northern Ireland has shown, they are not interested in lifting people up - only telling them that they are helpless, and that only SF can "save" them, when it is very much in the party interested to ensure as many as possible remain cast adrift while also believing SF will appear on the horizon as their putative saviours.

FrancieBrady · 29-03-2020 10:31AM

LuasSimon wrote: »

FF 34%
SF 28%

FF18%

These are the latest poll figures , FG getting deserved credit for work in this strange times , SF still polling large numbers whilst FF are dropping and dropping . If there should be any coalition it should be a FG-SF coalition with a smaller party

So SF's 'vanishing' has resulted in them gaining 3 points in the polls...they should consider 'vanishing' again maybe?

I am surprised by those results actually, I thought FG would have surged further ahead.

Mad_maxx · 29-03-2020 10:32AM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

SF aren't hard left. A world of difference between them and PBP.

Also all non government parties are pretty quiet these days. It's just more noticeable given how active/noisy SF were before.

Of course SF are hard left, they are well to the left of the soc dems, greens or Labour as well as FF who are all centre left

Eoin o Broin is a Marxist to his core

J_1980 · 29-03-2020 10:33AM

Runaways wrote: »

The government just did exactly that. It’s €305 if you’ve lost your job owing to the crisis.

Fine Gael implementing all these lefty policies must have escaped your attention.

I said “i times of full employment and labor shortages”. Is that the case right now?
Reading isn’t the strength of lefties...

Shefwedfan · 29-03-2020 10:33AM

Runaways wrote: »

And boards is any better?

Again. Laughable.

Have I said it was???

I don’t see people linking to post in boards as some sort of proof?

Have you?

all about the mane · 29-03-2020 10:34AM

LuasSimon wrote: »

FF 34%
SF 28%

FF18%

These are the latest poll figures , FG getting deserved credit for work in this strange times , SF still polling large numbers whilst FF are dropping and dropping . If there should be any coalition it should be a FG-SF coalition with a smaller party

You couldn't have a workable FG/SF coalition

Mad_maxx · 29-03-2020 10:34AM

J_1980 wrote: »

Everyone who wants to raise the dole by 25% in times of full employment and labor shortages is hard left.
Luckily for this virus, the hard left is over. The post-virus economy will be a fierce global competition for brain&talent&resources good for workers, bad for spongers

Perhaps elsewhere but not in this country

Our exclusively left wing media prevents any Conservative shift from taking place

Runaways · 29-03-2020 10:35AM

J_1980 wrote: »

I said “i times of full employment and labor shortages”. Is that the case right now?
Reading isn’t the strength of lefties...

We’re in full employment. Didn’t you know?
And will definitely have Labour shortages already is in some IT sectors.
I’m no leftie so spare us your American far right babble will you? You’re coming across as a a complete high horse bore

Shefwedfan · 29-03-2020 10:36AM

LuasSimon wrote: »

FF 34%
SF 28%

FF18%

These are the latest poll figures , FG getting deserved credit for work in this strange times , SF still polling large numbers whilst FF are dropping and dropping . If there should be any coalition it should be a FG-SF coalition with a smaller party

I asked this before but how do they take these poll? If everyone is on lock down then along the street wouldn’t work

So what is the catchment area? Age groups etc?

They just seems like a load of bulls**t as they yo yo up and down and then start to look decent only at election time

PS a poll does not change the election vote, you do understand that?

Runaways · 29-03-2020 10:37AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Have I said it was???

I don’t see people linking to post in boards as some sort of proof?

Have you?

You said it was a stunt. I provided you evidence it wasn’t a stunt. They didn’t take the increase.
You’re a spoofer exposed once again.

Have some of those manners you’re always banging on about and admit that much.

Shefwedfan · 29-03-2020 10:41AM

Runaways wrote: »

You said it was a stunt. I provided you evidence it wasn’t a stunt. They didn’t take the increase.
You’re a spoofer exposed once again.

Have some of those manners you’re always banging on about and admit that much.

Please quote my post saying it was a stunt....

If you want I can post the official statement from SF saying it was up to each TD and they would not tell them not to

Runaways · 29-03-2020 10:43AM

If you have 12 hours a day to be spending on boards banging on about one single topic in this case Sinn Fein

You’re either
A a doleite Waster
B a Fine Gael spin bot
C someone with genuinely no life

Can we get a poll up on that? Think we’d all like to see those results.

FrancieBrady · 29-03-2020 10:51AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I asked this before but how do they take these poll? If everyone is on lock down then along the street wouldn’t work

So what is the catchment area? Age groups etc?

They just seems like a load of bulls**t as they yo yo up and down and then start to look decent only at election time

PS a poll does not change the election vote, you do understand that?

Jesus, the internet is your friend here, really. RedC have all the info you need on their site.

Shefwedfan · 29-03-2020 11:44AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Jesus, the internet is your friend here, really. RedC have all the info you need on their site.

The post didn’t mention it was RedC?

The last one on here was Irish times or some bulls**t like that

Mad_maxx · 29-03-2020 12:21PM

J_1980 wrote: »

Everyone who wants to raise the dole by 25% in times of full employment and labor shortages is hard left.
Luckily for this virus, the hard left is over. The post-virus economy will be a fierce global competition for brain&talent&resources good for workers, bad for spongers

Perhaps elsewhere but not in this country

Our exclusively left wing media prevents any Conservative shift from taking place

FrancieBrady · 29-03-2020 12:32PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The post didn’t mention it was RedC?

The last one on here was Irish times or some bulls**t like that

Why would the IT one (usually conducted by IPSOS/MORI) be 'bull****' and the RedC one not?

Take them all with a pinch of salt is wise.

Wanderer78 · 29-03-2020 01:09PM

J_1980 wrote: »

Look as money supply as national accounts instead of individuals.
In a world with 100 gold coins, if Dennis Obrien owns 20, and the middle class 80 and DOB can just move to Cyprus where do you take the money to pay welfare from?
Now if the middle class can buy a house on credit for 5 coins, you have 105 coins in the system (money creation via credit) which will ultimately filter into government purse via taxation.
Now the government can spend 5 without taking any from the 80 the middle class has.

This is a very simplified example but maybe you get the point of it..

but this is not our reality, our monetary systems do not work like this, they are in fact highly complex debt based systems, largely based on credit creation from financial institutions. theres effectively no limit on the money supply, central banks are creating astonishing amounts of the stuff at the moment in the form of qe, i.e. bond creation, the other most common method of money creation. central banks simply cannot run out of money, this has been confirmed by major central bank experts such as alan greenspan and mario draghi. if we need more money, we simply use these mechanisms to do so. if we did not have these methods of money creation, expanding the money supply, our economies would simply collapse, as they would not be able to expand. the only inflation that has truly been created by these methods is asset price inflation, which has been both positive and negative. we all know central banks have been engaging in qe since the previous crash, and theres been little or no real world inflation. your view on monetary systems is meaningless, it is not our reality. the gold standard is gone, long dead, it was killed off so we could expand our economies, it worked, but it created a whole new set of problems, very complex ones, as we have created a highly complex system in its place.

Randy Archer · 29-03-2020 01:17PM

Runaways wrote: »

If you have 12 hours a day to be spending on boards banging on about one single topic in this case Sinn Fein

You’re either
A a doleite Waster
B a Fine Gael spin bot
C someone with genuinely no life

Can we get a poll up on that? Think we’d all like to see those results.

You were asked to provide the statement made by Shefwedfan that supported your claim

Go get it .

As for the last laughable bit, funny, because it’s then,ikes of you who does be running back and forth desperately trying to defend the un defendable but without actually ever backing up your claims

For a chap who has over 600 posts since February 2020 , least we know how you spend your 12 hours pre and post Covid 19 . Perhaps practice what you preach, eh ?

Runaways · 29-03-2020 01:22PM

Randy Archer wrote: »

You were asked to provide the statement made by Shefwedfan that supported your claim

Go get it .

As for the last laughable bit, funny, because it’s then,ikes of you who does be running back and forth desperately trying to defend the un defendable but without actually ever backing up your claims

For a chap who has over 600 posts since February 2020 , least we know how you spend your 12 hours pre and post Covid 19 . Perhaps practice what you preach, eh ?

Like clockwork.

Randy Archer
Registered: 21/03/2020
Posts: 65

All rattling on about SF

Rodney Bathgate · 29-03-2020 01:24PM

Runaways wrote: »

If you have 12 hours a day to be spending on boards banging on about one single topic in this case Sinn Fein

You’re either
A a doleite Waster
B a Fine Gael spin bot
C someone with genuinely no life

Can we get a poll up on that? Think we’d all like to see those results.

And if you spent the same amount of time on boards.ie defending SF, you are what exactly?

A well balanced individual?

Rodney Bathgate · 29-03-2020 01:26PM

Runaways wrote: »

Like clockwork.

Randy Archer
Registered: 21/03/2020
Posts: 65

All rattling on about SF

Runaways
Registered: 24/02/2020
Posts: 682

All defending SF or rattling on about FG. Like clockwork.

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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