FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

Shefwedfan · 27-03-2020 10:42am

Runaways wrote: »

Mary lou was on Marr a few months back and made sh!t of his attempts to attack her. She’s far and away more eloquent and able to actually respond to whats being said to her than Leo.
No doubt they all have speech writers.
But we don’t need speeches now. We need a real leader. Leo’s doing photo ops as usual.

That’s not leadership. And he’ll get away with it cos he just will and it’s civil service doing all the real work anyways. As it ever was.

You do know that prior to those interviews the questions get shared with the politicians?

Shefwedfan · 27-03-2020 10:44am

Deleted User wrote: »

I think I’d prefer someone with experience leading the country than one who spouts sound bites from the sidelines.

Sound bites that are prepared!!!

Field east · 27-03-2020 10:48am

Runaways wrote: »

Leo is a Tory. He basically admits it in that clip. That isn’t hard to understand. He’s quoting fvckin Churchill ffs. The man who created the black and tans and sent them to Ireland. Do you have any idea of our history and what a massive FU that is to us?
Cos Leo either certainly doesn’t or more likely doesn’t give a sh!t and did it anyways.
Firstly he’s not an idiot. Secondly he’s surrounded once again by a paid spin unit and STILL not only quoted that prick but then went on to say he’s never respected any political leaders in our country.
I don’t know what you’re missing in that. It’s been noticed by everyone else

‘It’s been noticed be everyone else’
I’m sooooooooo glad that I picked you to SPEAK on my behalf.
A bit of advice - I would like if you could refrain from using such crude words when representing me on boards in the future. You only let yourself down and I with you

FrancieBrady · 27-03-2020 10:50am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I refer to my previous question

It seems a few people on here seem to have an issue with direct questions, rather go off on some ramble about BS

And you got my answer...not all do, I would guess.

The issue I am raising is does the tone of Leo's speech writer match what Leo has done?

That is the secret of finding a 'good' speech writer - one that can match what you actually do to the words he/she formulates.

It's an interesting field...I have a couple of books of famous speeches here. Fascinating to compare.

Field east · 27-03-2020 10:53am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Some have. I wouldn't say 'all' have.

It would be very naieve to think that all leaders do not , at least , run by some relevant person the speech they intend making - if even only to correct spellings, use of more appropriate words

FrancieBrady · 27-03-2020 10:57am

Field east wrote: »

It would be very naieve to think that all leaders do not , at least , run by some relevant person the speech they intend making - if even only to correct spellings, use of more appropriate words

Fair enough...believe what you want about it...what difference does it make to the point?

Does Leo's new (allegedly) speech writer match what Leo has done in office?

I.E. if he said 'Our best generation is yet to come...' in any other context, I fancy he as leader of the current FG party would be laughed out of it.

McMurphy · 27-03-2020 11:04am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

As above you posted the link if you have no idea, so fairly easy to see

You also know multiple people asked you to explain, so go on explain!! Thank you

Let it go fella, you're in no position to be grandstanding about anything, the last time you were spouting nonsense and got called out on it, you ran straight home with the ball whinging that others didn't have manners etc.

Green houses and stones etc.

Whelo79 · 27-03-2020 11:11am

Field east wrote: »

See post 2961. SF floats at every opportunity it’s mantra that the country voted for change. What is this based on ? It , IMO , can only be based on the TDS elected and their orientation re the voting public’s take on they being TDS for change.
So let’s see. FFG between them have 70 TDS. When you look at the various TDs in post no 2961 - most of who are ex FF or FG- You could pick at least ten of them that would be in the SF category for change. The Greens would be for a certain type of change (aka SF definition for change ) but maybe not for the SF type of change. Labours 6 TD are not for change - otherwise it would have got more than 6 TDS if the voters wanted change.
SO WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US ? The voting public voted for circa 86 TDS that , as far as SF and other left wing TDS, are not for change and it voted for 74 TDS that are for change. Leaving out the Green TDS that figure comes down to 62 TDS . UNLESS I AM MISSING SOMETHING OR COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTAND SOMETHING if the voters voted for 86 TDS NOT for change and 62 TDS FOR change well did the nation vote for a no change government arrangement.

ANOTHER POINT. Did the voters really expect that you would get sufficient cooperation , compromise, buying amongst all the parties / individuals on the left to form a strong well focused and stable government. I am not too sure. The voting public was well aware of the lefts side propensity to split, abandon parties, have major policy differences, see themselves in advocacy rolls only/ in permanent opposition rolls.

So where is this massive desire for change coming from?
Just because Mary Lou constantly says it in a very authorities way and supported by the Boyd Barrett’s of this world does not say that it is true

Now do the same calculations from the previous election. It's a massive swing in one direction. A complete paradigm shift does not happen in one election cycle.

Runaways · 27-03-2020 11:12am

Field east wrote: »

‘It’s been noticed be everyone else’
I’m sooooooooo glad that I picked you to SPEAK on my behalf.
A bit of advice - I would like if you could refrain from using such crude words when representing me on boards in the future. You only let yourself down and I with you

I wasn’t referring to you. You clearly weren’t paying attention to Irish media or any of its members when he used the quote.
Other than that would you ever

Shefwedfan · 27-03-2020 11:12am

McMurphy wrote: »

Let it go fella, you're in no position to be grandstanding about anything, the last time you were spouting nonsense and got called out on it, you ran straight home with the ball whinging that others didn't have manners etc.

Green houses and stones etc.

Long day in work again?

Runaways · 27-03-2020 11:13am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think I’d prefer someone with experience leading the country than one who spouts sound bites from the sidelines.

We have a ‘leader’ who reads prepared speeches.

Where even is he?

Shefwedfan · 27-03-2020 11:32am

Runaways wrote: »

We have a ‘leader’ who reads prepared speeches.

Where even is he?

As already discussed, all the political leaders use prepared speechs

plus the interview you mentioned, Mary Lou gets all the questions shared prior to the interview

Runaways · 27-03-2020 11:35am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

As already discussed, all the political leaders use prepared speechs

plus the interview you mentioned, Mary Lou gets all the questions shared prior to the interview

Know what I want in a leader? Apart from the obvious.

Empathy. And relatability. And an understanding of the people’s needs. She has that in spades.

Not a neo liberal corporate shill with delusions of Tory dysfunction. He has that in spades.

landofthetree · 27-03-2020 11:41am

Runaways wrote: »

Know what I want in a leader? Apart from the obvious.

Empathy. And relatability. And an understanding of the people’s needs. She has that in spades.

Not a neo liberal corporate shill with delusions of Tory dysfunction. He has that in spades.

All fake. She doesn't care about the poor.

Also she couldn't give two ***** about IRA victims.

Once in power SF vote will collapse and they will be voted out like every other government in the history of free elections.

Runaways · 27-03-2020 11:58am

landofthetree wrote: »

All fake. She doesn't care about the poor.

Also she couldn't give two ***** about IRA victims.

Once in power SF vote will collapse and they will be voted out like every other government in the history of free elections.

Very probably. So let them at it. Give them a swing.

Christ that was even Leo’s stand on it in the weeks after th election

James Brown · 27-03-2020 3:41pm

A: Leo makes a great speech.
B: Leo doesn't write them.
A: Everyone has speech writers.

He's bratty when questioned and has zero empathy. Don't know why anyone expects anything different.
He'd likely be giving it the 'worse elsewhere' if left to his own devices.

I see socialism is being used to tackle another massive crisis.
Seems 'the way we do business' isn't much cop. Enda Kenny was right. Pity he was only telling fibs. Seems we're only all in it together when the important people need something.

smurgen · 27-03-2020 4:09pm

Really starting to hope that the cynical power grab of FG isn't allowed.this is too risky a time to leave them and FF in it together. I can only imagine DOB is rubbing his hands in anticipation to the blank cheque book the government has to deal with this.

27-03-2020 4:22pm

smurgen wrote: »

Really starting to hope that the cynical power grab of FG isn't allowed.this is too risky a time to leave them and FF in it together. I can only imagine DOB is rubbing his hands in anticipation to the blank cheque book the government has to deal with this.

Are other parties and/or independents doing anything to Or capable of forming a government?

Cyrus · 27-03-2020 4:37pm

smurgen wrote: »

Really starting to hope that the cynical power grab of FG isn't allowed.this is too risky a time to leave them and FF in it together. I can only imagine DOB is rubbing his hands in anticipation to the blank cheque book the government has to deal with this.

isnt allowed? allowed by who?

Shefwedfan · 27-03-2020 5:08pm

smurgen wrote: »

Really starting to hope that the cynical power grab of FG isn't allowed.this is too risky a time to leave them and FF in it together. I can only imagine DOB is rubbing his hands in anticipation to the blank cheque book the government has to deal with this.

Tin foil hat stuff is on again

Its been fun lads....I am out of here this time

It is a good laugh watching the Raving Looney Party(SF) supporters lose the plot over the glorous leader of Ireland..... Leo the kitten

Oh yeah, I am a FF supporters you muppets

and on the bombshell.....goodnight

landofthetree · 27-03-2020 5:16pm

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/sweden-is-doing-the-opposite-of-almost-all-of-europe-to-tackle-coronavirus-39080526.html

This is how left wing governments deal with a pandemic.

landofthetree · 27-03-2020 5:33pm

Runaways wrote: »

Very probably. So let them at it. Give them a swing.

Christ that was even Leo’s stand on it in the weeks after th election

They ran for the hills. They tried to form a government and quit after two days.

efanton · 27-03-2020 8:44pm

landofthetree wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/sweden-is-doing-the-opposite-of-almost-all-of-europe-to-tackle-coronavirus-39080526.html

This is how left wing governments deal with a pandemic.

That is how ONE particular left wing government is doing it. Not all.

For those countries that have far better health systems than we have, it might well be a valid approach. The more people that get the virus and recover the better and quicker a country returns to normality. In an ideal scenario that would be the way to go, but of course you have the issue of people with weak immune or pulmonary systems and somehow protecting these people from the virus while everyone else is getting it and recovering. I wonder how Sweden is dealing with that particular issue.
Is their health system sufficient that they will not have a capacity issue in their hospitals? I find that hard to believe but it could be true.

The reason why we are playing the delay game is to prevent our health system being overwhelmed. Our government are deliberately dragging out this crisis, because that's the only option they have. Even then its likely our health system is going to be totally overwhelmed at some point and its not going to be pretty. The years of under funding, bed shortages, and ban on hiring nurses, doctors and consultants is going to bite us hard.

Ireland will have to remain in the delay phase of the crisis a lot longer than other countries because we simply dont have the hospital capacity and staff other countries have. With the emergency measures in place to keep businesses alive and subsidising wages it could well turn out that the government will deeply regret the under funding of the health service and ban on hiring staff. The monetary cost is going to be horrendous, even though these measure are absolutely necessary.

smurgen · 27-03-2020 8:45pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Tin foil hat stuff is on again

Its been fun lads....I am out of here this time

It is a good laugh watching the Raving Looney Party(SF) supporters lose the plot over the glorous leader of Ireland..... Leo the kitten

Oh yeah, I am a FF supporters you muppets and on the bombshell.....goodnight

Cringe.

efanton · 27-03-2020 9:04pm

landofthetree wrote: »

They ran for the hills. They tried to form a government and quit after two days.

No they faced reality and accepted it. They simply did not have the numbers to form a stable government.

Leo is going to look a right fool if he cant get the extra 10 seats from the independents in the next two weeks.

His PR regarding this recruitment drive might needs a little tweaking too

Taoiseach warns next Government will suffer 'constant criticism, disappointment and defeat'

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/taoiseach-warns-next-government-will-suffer-constant-criticism-disappointment-and-defeat-990537.html

If there was ever a time to actually say nothing that was it.

I suspect in two weeks time we will have Leo and Michael apologising to the nation for failing to form a government even though it took them 10 weeks to come to that realisation and then go sucking up to Mary Lou to form a National Government.

Randy Archer · 27-03-2020 10:07pm

efanton wrote: »

No they faced reality and accepted it. They simply did not have the numbers to form a stable government.

Leo is going to look a right fool if he cant get the extra 10 seats from the independents in the next two weeks.

His PR regarding this recruitment drive might needs a little tweaking too

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/taoiseach-warns-next-government-will-suffer-constant-criticism-disappointment-and-defeat-990537.html

If there was ever a time to actually say nothing that was it.

I suspect in two weeks time we will have Leo and Michael apologising to the nation for failing to form a government even though it took them 10 weeks to come to that realisation and then go sucking up to Mary Lou to form a National Government.

Grealish, Naughton , Sean Canney and Lowry would be certainties to step forward. thats 4 .

Healy Rae boys ? Danny n Michael , Hmm, the smarter one, Michael is possible if the deal is right . Junior Ministerial role is probably too much to ask for

Wouldn’t be surprised if McNamara in Clare would be interested if a deal could be done, ex labour when they were chasing the middle class vote , but he has FF connections .

Green Party would make 12 of them if they unturned if a deal is done ,but that is probably not viable and Greens will chicken out of stepping into government as they ain’t man enough to deal with the **** storm that is ahead of them .

Harkin and Fitzmaurice gets voted and good will for sitting on the fence so it would cost them their seats if they joined government . Mattie McGrath while his spot is probably safe has nothing to gain and more to lose by joining government

Matt Shanahan of Waterford , an Independent is of FG stock, so it’s possible if he is got at regarding hospitals maybe he will join. Wouldn’t be worth his while as nothing is going to be done in this short space of time

The PR thing is odd, but strange that he’d be so upfront about what is really expected to be the experience of the next government. Suppose it’s he’s way of telling the weak and feeble to man up or go and sit on the fence with Labour and SF

Expect another election within 9 months

Runaways · 28-03-2020 2:15am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Tin foil hat stuff is on again

Its been fun lads....I am out of here this time

It is a good laugh watching the Raving Looney Party(SF) supporters lose the plot over the glorous leader of Ireland..... Leo the kitten

Oh yeah, I am a FF supporters you muppets and on the bombshell.....goodnight

On the way out. Again.

Quelled and diminished for the nonsensical ranting Leo disciple you are. Be gone you vacuous raving goon

smurgen · 28-03-2020 11:38am

Surely now it's time for FFG to finally tackle the mortgage rip off of Irish banks?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/ireland-back-on-top-of-the-mortgage-league-of-shame-39042203.html

Runaways · 28-03-2020 11:43am

And here pearse doherty calling out the banks for making profit on the interest in any paused mortgages during this crisis.

Where are FFG on this?

Not a peep. In fact they’re enabling it.

https://www.facebook.com/148726998530273/posts/2730019543734326/?vh=e&d=n

Jinglejangle69 · 28-03-2020 12:03pm

smurgen wrote: »

Surely now it's time for FFG to finally tackle the mortgage rip off of Irish banks?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/ireland-back-on-top-of-the-mortgage-league-of-shame-39042203.html

That's what happens when you can't evict people for not paying their mortgage.

We have the lowest repossessions in Europe.

Thanks to all the rabble parties.

Thanks a lot lads.

Once again the minority ruin it for everyone.

FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

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