CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

igCorcaigh · 27-03-2020 10:08PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

Yeah thankfully (bad thing to say) this crisis unlike the 2008 banking crisis is effecting Germany, so the ECB will eventually start printing money for government to use to pay down this debt.

Absolutely. At least the economic fundamentals are sound. Lots of pent up demand, despite the unemployment. There could be a huge boom when the demand is released.

For now, borrow, print.

Sierra Oscar · 27-03-2020 10:08PM

https://twitter.com/GerHerbert1/status/1243660912038379521

If this is true then I think the 'essentially services' list will be very, very broad.

NIMAN · 27-03-2020 10:08PM

Despite all the hype and coverage of the new announcement, it basically is the same as the previous one except with 2km inserted into it.

Or am I missing something?

It is still a bit grey too. It has left work as 'essential' again. So if your boss says you are in essential work then you are expected to get to work.

I cross the border every day for work. Are guards going to stop me from now on?

deaglan1 · 27-03-2020 10:08PM

osarusan wrote: »

The bit about exercising only 2km from home is disappointing - the last few days, the kids and I have driven into east Clare and walked in woodlands - nothing scenic, but the point is that they're deserted.

If people in urban areas obey the 2km restriction, it will actually cause a bit of congregation.

I suppose it's to stop people from using exercise as an excuse to go wherever they want....but realistically, who's going to be stopping and asking people.

East Clare is beautiful and wild and lonely - Lough Graney, Lough Atorick, Slieve Aughties, Lough Derg western shore. You could walk in the Aughties all day without meeting anyone. [PS, I am not from Clare]

tom1ie · 27-03-2020 10:08PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

It's parsnts bringing the kids out as a mob and younger people meeting their friends in groups that are the cause. Treating it like holidays.

Ah will ya stop. Are parents supposed to bring their kids out one at a time? Maybe March them in formation?

27-03-2020 10:08PM

Fart wrote: »

The virus is being spread among the community and will continue to do so.

But it's being spread more in offices, canteens, building sites, transport and factories far more than on beaches or forest paths. It's just that the latter are easier to pick on because that's what the media are focusing on.

OhToBeByTheSea · 27-03-2020 10:08PM

khalessi wrote: »

WOrk as you are essential in running the hospital

Sorry, I should have been clearer. I work as an outpatient clinic secretary so, I don't really know where we fall in this because there's no outpatient clinics going on anymore.

Naggdefy · 27-03-2020 10:09PM

Tell Paddy the Jogger not to worry... the Olympics have been postponed until 2021:P

27-03-2020 10:09PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Sounds like the penny has finally dropped with Trump

It'll probably bounce in a day or two

fritzelly · 27-03-2020 10:09PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Can you go for a family walk,

No

Whehey! · 27-03-2020 10:09PM

Fart wrote: »

Maybe we can ask the virus to hold off spreading for a year so they can make more suitable plans.

Perhaps that would better suit?

It's not exactly rocket science having a list of non essential jobs printed and ready before a live government briefing to the nation that somes in effect from midnight.

YFlyer · 27-03-2020 10:09PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Can you go for a family walk,

I guess so.

jam_mac_jam · 27-03-2020 10:09PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But it's being spread more in offices, canteens, building sites, transport and factories far more than on beaches or forest paths. It's just that the latter are easier to pick on because that's what the media are focusing on.

We don't know where it's being spread.

walshb · 27-03-2020 10:10PM

I really need to ask..

With all the passion and commitment and ingenuity and brains and resources through this crisis, why is it that the RTE player is still utter dirt?

Funsterdelux · 27-03-2020 10:10PM

smelly sock wrote: »

Will home heating oil be delivered?

I think everyone has filled up the past week.

Im sure fuel will be essential

27-03-2020 10:10PM

Samsgirl wrote: »

Would clerical.officer in a Garda station be considered essential I wonder?

Would say yes, but will need to see the list

khalessi · 27-03-2020 10:11PM

OhToBeByTheSea wrote: »

Sorry, I should have been clearer. I work as an outpatient clinic secretary so, I don't really know where we fall in this because there's no outpatient clinics going on anymore.

Well my sibling is clerical admin in hospital and got moved areas so maybe you might too. Be safe.

sheepsh4gger · 27-03-2020 10:11PM

I think with SARS the virus came back in winter. Are they going to shut everything down again in November?
Sky said that 98% of people who die have pre-existing conditions.

pgj2015 · 27-03-2020 10:12PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Remember those in each of your areas who do not comply with restrictions. They are not helping society.

exactly, I will be sure to make them all wear stars, so they can be easily identified:rolleyes:

what difference is it if you go for a 2 km run in the middle of nowhere or a 10 km run in the middle of nowhere?

Atlantic Dawn · 27-03-2020 10:12PM

walshb wrote: »

I really need to ask..

With all the passion and commitment and ingenuity and brains and resources through this crisis, why is it that the RTE player is still utter dirt?

Because nobody working in RTE ever uses it.

YFlyer · 27-03-2020 10:12PM

fritzelly wrote: »

No

Exercise is allowed.

BorneTobyWilde · 27-03-2020 10:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Lol, you still at that. It’s already in every county

Can see the spread on the map, every day Kildare, Wicklow and Meath are getting higher and higher, it's movement that is causing it, trains, buses, cars ect
Wuhan shut down public transports straight away, it's was their no1 weapon against the virus. Dublin is open for anyone to move in and out of , spreading the virus far and wide.

Mysteriouschic · 27-03-2020 10:12PM

Friend of mine in the uk say they get stopped asking where they're going etc or if they go to work need a letter to show.
Not sure if they'll bring that here eventually can't see them doing that .

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 10:12PM

Re the economy, the ECB need to fire up the printing presses and issue money to every family in the EU.

People won't accept austerity after this.

27-03-2020 10:13PM

OhToBeByTheSea wrote: »

Sorry, I should have been clearer. I work as an outpatient clinic secretary so, I don't really know where we fall in this because there's no outpatient clinics going on anymore.

Maybe there is some other job you can do in the hospital? I'm guessing they are busy.

ihdxwz4a3pem9j · 27-03-2020 10:13PM

If the economy proceeds as normal, the virus will spread, and the economic cost of paying for the excessive number of patients in critical care and hospitals, will cripple the economy. Furthermore, for every worker that dies as a result of the virus, there will be a significant cost associated with that death (e.g. state pays €300,000 to train a person to fully qualified GP). Additionally, we will lose the taxes paid by that worker for the next X number of years. Finally, risk must be couched in human-terms. Would you be willing to pay the economic price of your child, your spouse, your parent, your grandparent, your favourite teacher, the friendly postman, the jolly grocer, the cleaner that wishes you good morning when you arrive at the office for the 'betterment of society'? If 70% of the population became infected, and we had a 10% mortality rate like Italy (versus the -1% we currently have), this could result in the death of 338,100 (and this does not include the indirect deaths from Covid-19). I don't understand how not implementing lockdown could result in more deaths than this

Nermal · 27-03-2020 10:13PM

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Simon Harris tweeted the letter from Dr Holohan. See point 18.

https://twitter.com/SimonHarrisTD/status/1243640354018078729?s=20

Regrettably he left out pages 4 & 5 from the tweet and the government website is down so no clarification yet on exactly what are essential services.

Interesting. Just observations, risks, recommendations.

Where's the model runs? Where's the data? Where's the economic impact assessment?

Are we keeping all that stuff secret? Or just not doing it?

doc22 · 27-03-2020 10:13PM

Elle Tasty Gymnasium wrote: »

To be honest, as a healthcare worker in the critical care division, I think that the government is acting very well. The general consensus amongst my colleagues is that Varadkar and Harris are handling this really well. It was an unpredictable crisis. There is an amazing mobilisation of resources and support plans. The hospital is a collegiate place at the moment. From top-down, I think that the government, the HSE and individuals want to really help fight this virus. Ultimately, the decision was made to value lives above all else in this country.

To be honest I don't think the government act great at all. Nursing Homes and Hospital groups were criticized when they acted unilaterally tightening up rules on visitors rather then waiting for gov guidance(how it wasn't necessary) and now we hear of all these clusters around these two sectors.

27-03-2020 10:13PM

New Home wrote: »

Because those categories of people only exist in Ireland and not in any of the other countries where an actual, proper lockdown in in place? Or because they are immune to the virus or to spreading it? Of course it's difficult. Of course it's terrifying. But the alternative is much, much, much worse. It's literally deadly.

Yes it is absolutely and I didn't say those circumstances are unique to Ireland.
That's what I meant by saying that I can see the necessity for this and also understand how difficult it is. I am able to understand and have compassion for every person impacted by this.

spookwoman · 27-03-2020 10:13PM

From RTE I don't know if mods wat to put it in the sticky
Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has said that from midnight tonight and for a two-week period, until Easter Sunday, everybody must stay at home, in all circumstances:

Except

- To travel to and from work for the purposes of work only where the work is an essential health, social care or other essential service or cannot be done from home (a list of these will be provided)

- To shop for food or household goods or collect a meal

- To attend medical appointments or collect medicines and other health products

- For vital family reasons, such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people

- To take brief individual personal exercise within 2km of your own home which may include children from your own household as long as you adhere to two-metre physical distancing

- For farming purposes that is food production and care of animals

- All public and private gatherings of any number of people outside a single household or living unit are prohibited. The virus might be in your household already so please don't spread it to someone else

- This prohibition includes social family visits that are not for vital reasons already mentioned

- A further range of non-essential shops and services will be closed. The guidance given earlier this week in respect of retail outlets will be revised to reflect this

- Adult community education centres and local community centres will be shut

- All non-essential surgery and health procedures and all other non-essential health services will be postponed

- All visits to hospitals, residential healthcare settings and prisons are to cease, with specific exceptions on compassionate grounds

- Shielding or cocooning will be introduced for all those 70 years of age and specified categories of people who are extremely vulnerable to Covid-19

- Travel to our offshore islands will be limited to residents of those islands

- Pharmacists will be permitted to dispense medicines outside of the current period of validity with an existing prescription in line with the pharmacists clinical judgement

- All public transport and passenger travel will be restricted to essential workers and people providing essential services

- Outside of the reasons listed there is to be no travel outside a 2km radius of your home for any reason

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03