CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

tobefrank321 wrote: »

You just keep ignoring the hundreds if not thousands of Italians who came here on those flights for tourist visits, for a cancelled rugby match and to flee Italy to stay with friends here. Look back over the posts from the time. Countless people relating stories of Italians crowing around Dublin.

Can you back that up?
I don't remember thousands of Italians being in Dublin that weekend.

I don't think the Italians travel in large numbers for the rugby.

You're also forgetting the thousands of Irish people who traveled abroad and brought it home.

You're also ignoring that the virus is now being spread by Irish residents.

Your revisionism and "told you so" stuff is just cheap shots and you're just looking for someone to blame.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

England's Chief Medical Officer Chris Witty has began self-isolating after experiencing COVID-19 symptoms.

No surprise there, he's part of the herd now.

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The point is you cannot just walk in off the street with covid 19 and hope to be treated. Its not that simple.

And anyone encouraging someone with covid19 symptoms to show up at an A&E is peddling very dangerous advice.

I don't think that that is what people are advising, more like we understand why it happened.

There are probably loads of people at home right now all over the world who have covid-19 symptoms and surely a percentage of them might have some related health emergency or unrelated through their isolation period.

If they phone for advice and are told to stay put then the instinct to stay alive is going to override that and some of them will show up at the hospital.

We still need to treat other patients and emergency health issues, even if they do have covid-19.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-france/paris-hospitals-near-coronavirus-breaking-point-idUSKBN21E1AT?utm_source=reddit.com
Hospitals in Paris are also nearing breaking point
What the hell will this be like when it breaks out in the developing world?

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Did he follow all the protocols? Did he organise a test? Did he report it to his general practitioner?

I commiserate for the guy and his family.

But the process is there for a reason, to stop this thing spreading like wildfire.

I had a look at US news the other day - it seemed to show people queuing for a test in a public hospital. If so this is insanity. The testing centres should be far away from hospitals. If nothing else we got that bit right in Ireland.

The point is you cannot just walk in off the street with covid 19 and hope to be treated. Its not that simple.

And anyone encouraging someone with covid19 symptoms to show up at an A&E is peddling very dangerous advice.

.....and if it was a family member of yours who was on death's door ?

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Did he follow all the protocols? Did he organise a test? Did he report it to his general practitioner?

I commiserate for the guy and his family.

But the process is there for a reason, to stop this thing spreading like wildfire.

I had a look at US news the other day - it seemed to show people queuing for a test in a public hospital. If so this is insanity. The testing centres should be far away from hospitals. If nothing else we got that bit right in Ireland.

The point is you cannot just walk in off the street with covid 19 and hope to be treated. Its not that simple.

And anyone encouraging someone with covid19 symptoms to show up at an A&E is peddling very dangerous advice.

You really just don't get it. Sepsis and septic shock is one of the most serious things you can present with. Telling someone with sepsis to wait at home to see do they have covid first you are pretty much guaranteeing that they will die. If you had just hours/minutes before death, would you think hang on let me check protocol first?

igCorcaigh wrote: »

No news on Italian cases yet?

5 pm Italy releases its figures daily

youtube.com/watch?v=bWFr6khY2U4

Chris Whitty UK CMO self isolating.

Has there been any coverage in the media yet of the new report by a working group of Italian doctors from the Italian Istituto Superiore di Sanità (Higher Institute of Health)? They last night just released the first detailed report on covid deaths so far in the country. Its got a couple of very interesting highlights:



Heres the age ranges of deaths: essentially non-existent for under 40s. 9 total people under 40. Of that 9, they tested 7 for underlying conditions, and 100% had them - either debates, obesity etc. Not a single healthy person under 40 has died from it.

And here are the overall deaths, across all age ranges:



This is part is absolutely key. Only 1.2% of Italian deaths, across all age ranges, had no underlying health conditions (diabetes, COPD etc). It looks like its not only just not killing young people, its not killing healthy old people.

https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_26_marzo_eng.pdf

It seems like this is pretty huge, positive news? Once it gets wider media coverage I'd imagine we'll see a lot of pressure to lift quarantines for the not-at-risk sections of society.

Lombardy, Italy’s most affected region, has confirmed 541 new coronavirus deaths in the last 24 hours. It’s a 24 hour death record for the region. The total results for Italy are expected at 6 p.m. (Reuters)

Also 45 doctors have died since the outbreak in Italy

Some basic predictions re timeframe for Ireland:

The 2nd and 3rd weeks of April will be the worst for us here.

The present shutdowns will be extended to the end of May.

There will be a partial relaxation of shutdowns at the beginning of June.

If that works out, almost everything (except some travel) will be back later in June.

I'm sure other people have much worse predictions than mine, but those are still my best guesses.