CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

igCorcaigh · 27-03-2020 05:00PM

Talisman wrote: »

No.

I should have provided context.
I read it in a comment on the guardian blog.
Wanted to fact check here.

Rob A. Bank · 27-03-2020 05:02PM

wakka12 wrote: »

How?
Uk deaths 189 today
Italy and Spain combined is like 1100-1400 most days

The UK death rates are yet another example of the manipulation of the statistics for political purposes from them.

Their total case number is also a work of fiction because they tell people to stay at home if not too sick... and they don't test them.

All of the statistics from the UK are suspect.

“Ferguson has already pointed out that numbers will have to be adjusted down to count only EXCESS deaths which means eliminating those deaths which would likely have imminently occurred anyway from other causes, and also the sepsis cases where it is not CV specifically causing the death anymore than it is any other trivial infection which generates the gross immune over-reaction that is the effective cause of death in sepsis cases.“

New Home · 27-03-2020 05:02PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Hot off the press. UK government advised to get more goggles. Decided not to as would cost too much to store.
hindsight is 20 20.

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1243558880187166721?s=20

The Spanish doctor in that video was right. The governments ARE responsible for this. They knew it was coming, yet they took a gamble (and still are, the "restrictions" aren't strict enough - we should treat this as if it were a radioactive spill) saying "It probably won't hit us as bad as them, hopefully anyway". It's like looking at a tsunami wave approaching and saying "Ah, we'll be fine, it won't get as far as here, and if it will, well, I'm wearing my swimming togs".

That Spanish doctor spoke of genocide. He's absolutely right.

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 05:03PM

murpho999 wrote: »

I suppose you mean flights from italy.

If had done that such an early stage then people (who were mostly Irish) would have got here via another route.

The only effective way would be to shut down all flights from anywhere and also all ferries and close the border.

This would deny Irish people access to their own country.
This as never going to happen.

No other country in Europe did it either.

People still don't realise that our numbers are still low.

You just keep ignoring the hundreds if not thousands of Italians who came here on those flights for tourist visits, for a cancelled rugby match and to flee Italy to stay with friends here. Look back over the posts from the time. Countless people relating stories of Italians crowing around Dublin.

Kermit.de.frog · 27-03-2020 05:03PM

We are all fcuked with this imbecile in charge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZWdX4GHuuo

wakka12 · 27-03-2020 05:04PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

The UK death rates are yet another example of the manipulation of the statistics for political purposes from them.

Their total case number is also a work of fiction because they tell people to stay at home if not too sick... and they don't test them.

All of the statistics from the UK are suspect.

oh, didnt realise UK was calculating deaths this way. Must be what Germany and some of the nordic countries are doing as well.
I suppose it does make sense, but can greatly skew the apparent impact the virus is having worlwdie with different countries reporting differently

KiKi III · 27-03-2020 05:04PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

You just keep ignoring the hundreds if not thousands of Italians who came here on those flights for tourist visits, for a cancelled rugby match and to flee Italy to stay with friends here. Look back over the posts from the time. Countless people relating stories of Italians crowing around Dublin.

You just keep ignoring that over 50% of new cases are from community transmission. Where is your concern about that?

Mervyn Skidmore · 27-03-2020 05:04PM

New Home wrote: »

The Spanish doctor in that video was right. The governments ARE responsible for this. They knew it was coming, yet they took a gamble (and still are, the "restrictions" aren't strict enough - we should treat this as if it were a radioactive spill) saying "It probably won't hit us as bad as them, hopefully anyway". It's like looking at a tsunami wave approaching and saying "Ah, we'll be fine, it won't get as far as here, and if it will, well, I'm wearing my swimming togs".

That Spanish doctor spoke of genocide. He's absolutely right.

How is it a genocide?

nimrod86 · 27-03-2020 05:05PM

wakka12 wrote: »

What is the breakdown of the England vs Scotland, Wales, NI anyone know?

Available here: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 05:05PM

murpho999 wrote: »

How many Italians actually came over?

If I remember correctly the first case reported here was an Irish person.

Please stop trying to blame foreigners for this.

Temperature controls would at airports would hardly of stopped anyone. Remember the 2 week incubation period.

Really people are going on about ridiculous things here.

From memory, one poster described how his friend returned home one evening to find 10 Italians recently arrived from Italy to stay with their Italian friend until it all passed over.
Another described being chatted up by a couple of Italian males.
Others said they saw dozens of Italian tourists gathered around Dublin.

Now we know tens of thousands didn't come. We also know 0 came. The truth is somewhere in between.

magma69 · 27-03-2020 05:06PM

I swear it seems like some people are getting a kick out of the doom mongering.

Rob A. Bank · 27-03-2020 05:06PM

murpho999 wrote: »

How many Italians actually came over?

If I remember correctly the first case reported here was an Irish person.

Please stop trying to blame foreigners for this.

Temperature controls would at airports would hardly of stopped anyone. Remember the 2 week incubation period.

Really people are going on about ridiculous things here.

The Asian countries who have succeeded in containing the virus have Temp checks everywhere, mask wearing and strict quarantine for all arrivals.

But no... our Murpho knows better. :rolleyes:

Tell me how · 27-03-2020 05:07PM

timhenn wrote: »

Again, a tiny island with prior warning. We were very slow to react.

I think you have to consider the fine line there is in making decisions which turn out to be necessary or excessive.

We didn't shut down anything like this with SARS or the swine flu and the sequence and announcements from WHO were not too disimilar at those points.

The country has pretty much shut down and there is a massive physical, mental, financial and political impact to that. If all this were to happen, for an event which ultimately impacted us as much as the other scenarios mentioned above, people would not be as forgiving.

Hopefully what we learn from this is to have sufficient resources and strategies in place for future action but I think Ireland has done very well so far.

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 05:08PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Erm, if he died within hours, he was clearly in a bad way. Sounds like it was an emergency situation. Sometime "showing up" at A&E is what people need to do and they are right to do it. Even in this crisis. Other life-threatening things are still happening to people.

A bad way is unable to walk, talk or breathe.

The advice has been clear from the start. Don't show up in A&E if you have covid 19. This is common sense. Why? Because you risk infecting others and you particularly risk infecting vulnerable patients.

Why do I even need to say this? The HSE have being ramming it down our throat over and over.

KingBobby · 27-03-2020 05:08PM

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

How is it a genocide?

No its not genocide, but it is geronticide

facehugger99 · 27-03-2020 05:09PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

From memory, one poster described how his friend returned home one evening to find 10 Italians recently arrived from Italy to stay with their Italian friend until it all passed over.
Another described being chatted up by a couple of Italian males.
Others said they saw dozens of Italian tourists gathered around Dublin.

Social-media postings are all the proof I need anyway.

KingBobby · 27-03-2020 05:10PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

A bad way is unable to walk, talk or breathe.

The advice has been clear from the start. Don't show up in A&E if you have covid 19. This is common sense. Why? Because you risk infecting others and you particularly risk infecting vulnerable patients.

Why do I even need to say this? The HSE have being ramming it down our throat over and over.

He showed up at A&E with sepsis. That is being in a very very bad way.

KiKi III · 27-03-2020 05:10PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

A bad way is unable to walk, talk or breathe.

The advice has been clear from the start. Don't show up in A&E if you have covid 19. This is common sense. Why? Because you risk infecting others and you particularly risk infecting vulnerable patients.

Why do I even need to say this? The HSE have being ramming it down our throat over and over.

Maybe this kid who lived in California didn’t get the message because their president has been acting like it’s just a bad flu?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 27-03-2020 05:11PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

A bad way is unable to walk, talk or breathe.

The advice has been clear from the start. Don't show up in A&E if you have covid 19. This is common sense. Why? Because you risk infecting others and you particularly risk infecting vulnerable patients.

Why do I even need to say this? The HSE have being ramming it down our throat over and over.

I went to A&E a decade ago able to do all of those things. I was about 24 hours from death according to the doctors who treated me and very seriously ill. I was running a high temperature and in blinding pain but I could walk, talk and breathe so off with me, right? Wind your neck in.

If I had the same symptoms this very day, I would do exactly the same because I knew something was seriously wrong with me.

Hunchback · 27-03-2020 05:12PM

Xertz wrote: »

I really don't tbh and I think you'll find many others don't either. It's just people want to signal their support for health workers and it's a simple way of doing so

It's rather human.

I have some friends who are nurses, and they said that they felt really supported in this moment and that it DID genuinely impact them.

If it makes a difference to care workers on the front line, then that is all the justification that is needed.

shocksy · 27-03-2020 05:12PM

The price gouging continues to be alive and well. I was in Homesavers this afternoon and they are charging €7.99 for a 50ml hand gel. It contained Alcohol Denat, and some chinese writing on the back. It certainly wasn't 60% proof that's for sure. It's scandalous how these retailers are fleecing people. There is no way they even paid €5.00 for each of them bottles. They also had a six pack of surgical masks, just standard blue ones, not filtered for ffp2 or ffp3. They were in a zip lock bag which obviously was put together by themselves and they were charging €10.00 for them.... They had at least 100 bottles and probably 50 or more bags of the masks.

These shops need to be named and shamed for fleecing customers in a time of national crisis.

If someone wants to pay €7.99 or €10.00 for these items, then fair enough but they are still be screwed while bent over.

dougm1970 · 27-03-2020 05:12PM

it wouldnt surprise me if we start seeing less and less of dr. fauci....something like he's self-isolating after coming into contact with a case, or something like that.....he's contradicting trump too much lately.

shinny · 27-03-2020 05:13PM

What's the story in regard to testing for the antibodies here? Is that something they are planning on doing? I've read about the potential home kits in the UK, so just wondering does anyone know what will happen here for that?

New Home · 27-03-2020 05:13PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

A bad way is unable to walk, talk or breathe.

Right, what about someone with a burst appendix, for instance? Or having a heart attack? Or a TIA?

wakka12 · 27-03-2020 05:14PM

Major updates from NYC

Apex of hospital need could be in 21 days from now in New York

All hospitals need to increase capacity by 50%, some by 100%

Need a total of 140,000 hospital beds. Currently have 53,000 (additional 87,000 hospital beds needed)

Need a total of 40,000 ICU beds. Currently have 3,000, with 3,000 ventilators. An additional 37,000 ICU beds are needed

Will use college dormitories, hotels, nursing homes, and all possible space to convert to hospitals if needed in April

Schools will stay closed for an additional 2 weeks after April 1, to then reassess and extend again if needed. 180 days requirement has been waived

marilynrr · 27-03-2020 05:15PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Of course and I accept that. Everyone of us here have parents or elderly relatives and we are trying to do the best we can. From what I can see there are two options - the vaccine won't be here anytime soon so the elderly will have to remain isolated for a while. Hopefully if we maintain a couple months of a very tight lockdown we will see numbers peak and then decline and new infections limited. Then the elderly might be able to slowly move back into society - but of course with restrictions like 2 metre distancing for example until we can be sure covid has been eliminated.
However if we don't do a proper lockdown, then this thing will circulate with high numbers for months and like the ordinary flu remain in the population year round.
So a proper short term lockdown is critical and of course avoid introducing new cases into the system.

I agree and understand all of that.
I just think people need to be cautious about saying things like we could be in lockdown for years, or in lockdown until they discover a vaccine. The truth is that that's not going to happen, so all that will do is terrify some people reading who may already be suffering from mental health problems and could seriously start to push them over the edge.

tobefrank321 wrote: »

A bad way is unable to walk, talk or breathe.

The advice has been clear from the start. Don't show up in A&E if you have covid 19. This is common sense. Why? Because you risk infecting others and you particularly risk infecting vulnerable patients.

Why do I even need to say this? The HSE have being ramming it down our throat over and over.

He must have known himself that he was in a bad way, it seems like he was correct. People can tell themselves sometimes and feel how bad it is.

amadangomor · 27-03-2020 05:15PM

shinny wrote: »

What's the story in regard to testing for the antibodies here? Is that something they are planning on doing? I've read about the potential home kits in the UK, so just wondering does anyone know what will happen here for that?

Holohan was asked 2 days ago at the briefing and said it wasn't something they were looking at at the moment.

Edit: Typo

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 27-03-2020 05:17PM

New Home wrote: »

Right, what about someone with a burst appendix, for instance? Or having a heart attack? Or a TIA?

Uh huh. I had an abscess that was pushing my temperature high enough to kill me and I was at very high risk of developing septicaemia and once that happens, things can get very bad, very quickly.

Honestly, it’s amusing reading all the armchair medics on this thread.

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 05:17PM

KingBobby wrote: »

He showed up at A&E with sepsis. That is being in a very very bad way.

Did he follow all the protocols? Did he organise a test? Did he report it to his general practitioner?

I commiserate for the guy and his family.

But the process is there for a reason, to stop this thing spreading like wildfire.

I had a look at US news the other day - it seemed to show people queuing for a test in a public hospital. If so this is insanity. The testing centres should be far away from hospitals. If nothing else we got that bit right in Ireland.

The point is you cannot just walk in off the street with covid 19 and hope to be treated. Its not that simple.

And anyone encouraging someone with covid19 symptoms to show up at an A&E is peddling very dangerous advice.

marilynrr · 27-03-2020 05:18PM

shinny wrote: »

What's the story in regard to testing for the antibodies here? Is that something they are planning on doing? I've read about the potential home kits in the UK, so just wondering does anyone know what will happen here for that?

I'm sure they will but that's not the priority at the moment, I'm sure they will focus on that when they start to ease social restrictions and start to think about reopening schools etc.

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03