CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

nimrod86 · 27-03-2020 04:05PM

wakka12 wrote: »

What is the breakdown of the England vs Scotland, Wales, NI anyone know?

Available here: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 04:05PM

murpho999 wrote: »

How many Italians actually came over?

If I remember correctly the first case reported here was an Irish person.

Please stop trying to blame foreigners for this.

Temperature controls would at airports would hardly of stopped anyone. Remember the 2 week incubation period.

Really people are going on about ridiculous things here.

From memory, one poster described how his friend returned home one evening to find 10 Italians recently arrived from Italy to stay with their Italian friend until it all passed over.
Another described being chatted up by a couple of Italian males.
Others said they saw dozens of Italian tourists gathered around Dublin.

Now we know tens of thousands didn't come. We also know 0 came. The truth is somewhere in between.

magma69 · 27-03-2020 04:06PM

I swear it seems like some people are getting a kick out of the doom mongering.

Rob A. Bank · 27-03-2020 04:06PM

murpho999 wrote: »

How many Italians actually came over?

If I remember correctly the first case reported here was an Irish person.

Please stop trying to blame foreigners for this.

Temperature controls would at airports would hardly of stopped anyone. Remember the 2 week incubation period.

Really people are going on about ridiculous things here.

The Asian countries who have succeeded in containing the virus have Temp checks everywhere, mask wearing and strict quarantine for all arrivals.

But no... our Murpho knows better. :rolleyes:

Tell me how · 27-03-2020 04:07PM

timhenn wrote: »

Again, a tiny island with prior warning. We were very slow to react.

I think you have to consider the fine line there is in making decisions which turn out to be necessary or excessive.

We didn't shut down anything like this with SARS or the swine flu and the sequence and announcements from WHO were not too disimilar at those points.

The country has pretty much shut down and there is a massive physical, mental, financial and political impact to that. If all this were to happen, for an event which ultimately impacted us as much as the other scenarios mentioned above, people would not be as forgiving.

Hopefully what we learn from this is to have sufficient resources and strategies in place for future action but I think Ireland has done very well so far.

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 04:08PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Erm, if he died within hours, he was clearly in a bad way. Sounds like it was an emergency situation. Sometime "showing up" at A&E is what people need to do and they are right to do it. Even in this crisis. Other life-threatening things are still happening to people.

A bad way is unable to walk, talk or breathe.

The advice has been clear from the start. Don't show up in A&E if you have covid 19. This is common sense. Why? Because you risk infecting others and you particularly risk infecting vulnerable patients.

Why do I even need to say this? The HSE have being ramming it down our throat over and over.

KingBobby · 27-03-2020 04:08PM

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

How is it a genocide?

No its not genocide, but it is geronticide

facehugger99 · 27-03-2020 04:09PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

From memory, one poster described how his friend returned home one evening to find 10 Italians recently arrived from Italy to stay with their Italian friend until it all passed over.
Another described being chatted up by a couple of Italian males.
Others said they saw dozens of Italian tourists gathered around Dublin.

Social-media postings are all the proof I need anyway.

KingBobby · 27-03-2020 04:10PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

A bad way is unable to walk, talk or breathe.

The advice has been clear from the start. Don't show up in A&E if you have covid 19. This is common sense. Why? Because you risk infecting others and you particularly risk infecting vulnerable patients.

Why do I even need to say this? The HSE have being ramming it down our throat over and over.

He showed up at A&E with sepsis. That is being in a very very bad way.

KiKi III · 27-03-2020 04:10PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

A bad way is unable to walk, talk or breathe.

The advice has been clear from the start. Don't show up in A&E if you have covid 19. This is common sense. Why? Because you risk infecting others and you particularly risk infecting vulnerable patients.

Why do I even need to say this? The HSE have being ramming it down our throat over and over.

Maybe this kid who lived in California didn’t get the message because their president has been acting like it’s just a bad flu?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 27-03-2020 04:11PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

A bad way is unable to walk, talk or breathe.

The advice has been clear from the start. Don't show up in A&E if you have covid 19. This is common sense. Why? Because you risk infecting others and you particularly risk infecting vulnerable patients.

Why do I even need to say this? The HSE have being ramming it down our throat over and over.

I went to A&E a decade ago able to do all of those things. I was about 24 hours from death according to the doctors who treated me and very seriously ill. I was running a high temperature and in blinding pain but I could walk, talk and breathe so off with me, right? Wind your neck in.

If I had the same symptoms this very day, I would do exactly the same because I knew something was seriously wrong with me.

Hunchback · 27-03-2020 04:12PM

Xertz wrote: »

I really don't tbh and I think you'll find many others don't either. It's just people want to signal their support for health workers and it's a simple way of doing so

It's rather human.

I have some friends who are nurses, and they said that they felt really supported in this moment and that it DID genuinely impact them.

If it makes a difference to care workers on the front line, then that is all the justification that is needed.

shocksy · 27-03-2020 04:12PM

The price gouging continues to be alive and well. I was in Homesavers this afternoon and they are charging €7.99 for a 50ml hand gel. It contained Alcohol Denat, and some chinese writing on the back. It certainly wasn't 60% proof that's for sure. It's scandalous how these retailers are fleecing people. There is no way they even paid €5.00 for each of them bottles. They also had a six pack of surgical masks, just standard blue ones, not filtered for ffp2 or ffp3. They were in a zip lock bag which obviously was put together by themselves and they were charging €10.00 for them.... They had at least 100 bottles and probably 50 or more bags of the masks.

These shops need to be named and shamed for fleecing customers in a time of national crisis.

If someone wants to pay €7.99 or €10.00 for these items, then fair enough but they are still be screwed while bent over.

dougm1970 · 27-03-2020 04:12PM

it wouldnt surprise me if we start seeing less and less of dr. fauci....something like he's self-isolating after coming into contact with a case, or something like that.....he's contradicting trump too much lately.

shinny · 27-03-2020 04:13PM

What's the story in regard to testing for the antibodies here? Is that something they are planning on doing? I've read about the potential home kits in the UK, so just wondering does anyone know what will happen here for that?

New Home · 27-03-2020 04:13PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

A bad way is unable to walk, talk or breathe.

Right, what about someone with a burst appendix, for instance? Or having a heart attack? Or a TIA?

wakka12 · 27-03-2020 04:14PM

Major updates from NYC

Apex of hospital need could be in 21 days from now in New York

All hospitals need to increase capacity by 50%, some by 100%

Need a total of 140,000 hospital beds. Currently have 53,000 (additional 87,000 hospital beds needed)

Need a total of 40,000 ICU beds. Currently have 3,000, with 3,000 ventilators. An additional 37,000 ICU beds are needed

Will use college dormitories, hotels, nursing homes, and all possible space to convert to hospitals if needed in April

Schools will stay closed for an additional 2 weeks after April 1, to then reassess and extend again if needed. 180 days requirement has been waived

marilynrr · 27-03-2020 04:15PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Of course and I accept that. Everyone of us here have parents or elderly relatives and we are trying to do the best we can. From what I can see there are two options - the vaccine won't be here anytime soon so the elderly will have to remain isolated for a while. Hopefully if we maintain a couple months of a very tight lockdown we will see numbers peak and then decline and new infections limited. Then the elderly might be able to slowly move back into society - but of course with restrictions like 2 metre distancing for example until we can be sure covid has been eliminated.
However if we don't do a proper lockdown, then this thing will circulate with high numbers for months and like the ordinary flu remain in the population year round.
So a proper short term lockdown is critical and of course avoid introducing new cases into the system.

I agree and understand all of that.
I just think people need to be cautious about saying things like we could be in lockdown for years, or in lockdown until they discover a vaccine. The truth is that that's not going to happen, so all that will do is terrify some people reading who may already be suffering from mental health problems and could seriously start to push them over the edge.

tobefrank321 wrote: »

A bad way is unable to walk, talk or breathe.

The advice has been clear from the start. Don't show up in A&E if you have covid 19. This is common sense. Why? Because you risk infecting others and you particularly risk infecting vulnerable patients.

Why do I even need to say this? The HSE have being ramming it down our throat over and over.

He must have known himself that he was in a bad way, it seems like he was correct. People can tell themselves sometimes and feel how bad it is.

amadangomor · 27-03-2020 04:15PM

shinny wrote: »

What's the story in regard to testing for the antibodies here? Is that something they are planning on doing? I've read about the potential home kits in the UK, so just wondering does anyone know what will happen here for that?

Holohan was asked 2 days ago at the briefing and said it wasn't something they were looking at at the moment.

Edit: Typo

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 27-03-2020 04:17PM

New Home wrote: »

Right, what about someone with a burst appendix, for instance? Or having a heart attack? Or a TIA?

Uh huh. I had an abscess that was pushing my temperature high enough to kill me and I was at very high risk of developing septicaemia and once that happens, things can get very bad, very quickly.

Honestly, it’s amusing reading all the armchair medics on this thread.

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 04:17PM

KingBobby wrote: »

He showed up at A&E with sepsis. That is being in a very very bad way.

Did he follow all the protocols? Did he organise a test? Did he report it to his general practitioner?

I commiserate for the guy and his family.

But the process is there for a reason, to stop this thing spreading like wildfire.

I had a look at US news the other day - it seemed to show people queuing for a test in a public hospital. If so this is insanity. The testing centres should be far away from hospitals. If nothing else we got that bit right in Ireland.

The point is you cannot just walk in off the street with covid 19 and hope to be treated. Its not that simple.

And anyone encouraging someone with covid19 symptoms to show up at an A&E is peddling very dangerous advice.

marilynrr · 27-03-2020 04:18PM

shinny wrote: »

What's the story in regard to testing for the antibodies here? Is that something they are planning on doing? I've read about the potential home kits in the UK, so just wondering does anyone know what will happen here for that?

I'm sure they will but that's not the priority at the moment, I'm sure they will focus on that when they start to ease social restrictions and start to think about reopening schools etc.

Boggles · 27-03-2020 04:18PM

amadangomor wrote: »

Holohan was asked 2 days ago at the briefing and said it wasn't something they weren't looking at at the moment

The other guy said they are looking at everything.

Which means they aren't yet.

caveat emptor · 27-03-2020 04:19PM

amadangomor wrote: »

Great, I've developed asthma from the unknown infection I've had and am short of breath.

It will remain unknown as my test has been cancelled.

Really sorry to hear that. It could of course not be it. Even if it is IT. Lots of people report similar symptoms and recover just fine. Hang in there. Rest and recuperate.

ACitizenErased · 27-03-2020 04:19PM

England's Chief Medical Officer Chris Witty has began self-isolating after experiencing COVID-19 symptoms.

murpho999 · 27-03-2020 04:20PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

You just keep ignoring the hundreds if not thousands of Italians who came here on those flights for tourist visits, for a cancelled rugby match and to flee Italy to stay with friends here. Look back over the posts from the time. Countless people relating stories of Italians crowing around Dublin.

Can you back that up?
I don't remember thousands of Italians being in Dublin that weekend.

I don't think the Italians travel in large numbers for the rugby.

You're also forgetting the thousands of Irish people who traveled abroad and brought it home.

You're also ignoring that the virus is now being spread by Irish residents.

Your revisionism and "told you so" stuff is just cheap shots and you're just looking for someone to blame.

gormdubhgorm · 27-03-2020 04:20PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Its mad to think that the US had their first case of Covid on Jan 22nd and now as of yesterday they've got over 80,000 cases. South Korea had their first case on Jan 21st......

This fella explains exponential growth well relating to the corona virus.
Using the analogy of a Lilly-pad on a pond @2.35.

If a Lilly-pad doubled everyday and if it takes the lilly-pad 60 days to cover the whole pond. It it will take 59 days to cover half the pond and the whole pond is only covered on day 60.

murpho999 · 27-03-2020 04:20PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

England's Chief Medical Officer Chris Witty has began self-isolating after experiencing COVID-19 symptoms.

No surprise there, he's part of the herd now.

igCorcaigh · 27-03-2020 04:21PM

marilynrr wrote: »

I'm sure they will but that's not the priority at the moment, I'm sure they will focus on that when they start to ease social restrictions and start to think about reopening schools etc.

I don't think they have much confidence in the antibody test right now.

marilynrr · 27-03-2020 04:21PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The point is you cannot just walk in off the street with covid 19 and hope to be treated. Its not that simple.

And anyone encouraging someone with covid19 symptoms to show up at an A&E is peddling very dangerous advice.

I don't think that that is what people are advising, more like we understand why it happened.

There are probably loads of people at home right now all over the world who have covid-19 symptoms and surely a percentage of them might have some related health emergency or unrelated through their isolation period.

If they phone for advice and are told to stay put then the instinct to stay alive is going to override that and some of them will show up at the hospital.

We still need to treat other patients and emergency health issues, even if they do have covid-19.

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03