CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

wakka12 · 27-03-2020 03:42PM

walshb wrote: »

Very difficult to comprehend a lot of this....

Is this pandemic growing or abating? By abating, I mean slowing down as regards its impact and infections....

With most of the world indoors I dont see how it could be anything but at least plateauing

igCorcaigh · 27-03-2020 03:42PM

walshb wrote: »

Everywhere... just generally speaking..

Are we over the worst of it, I wonder?

Not a hope. This is only the beginning.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 27-03-2020 03:42PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

We produce 50% of the world's respirators, is that correct?

We assemble 50% of the world's respirators. Whether we produce them (as in make the parts) I'm not sure but I don't think so.

Tacitus Kilgore · 27-03-2020 03:42PM

kingshankly wrote: »

What’s the next level after “pandemic” or is there a next level

Fucked, is the technical term I believe.

otnomart · 27-03-2020 03:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe this got posted already. Apologies if it has. But the new London coronavirus ward is some incredible space. Two 1km long halls

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EOxjJUGIn2I

It is an amazing sight.
I also reading in the Guardian now that there are also backup plans for two more field hospitals in exhibition centres in Birmingham and Manchester.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/26/excel-coronavirus-hospital-will-be-by-far-the-largest-in-the-uk

Italy and France have also been building field hospitals and increasing their capacities in a very short timeframe.
It really goes to show what G7 Countries can do.
Shame that healthcare spend was hit as a result of austerity.

Miccoli · 27-03-2020 03:43PM

paleoperson wrote: »

I'm sorry but if you are too dumb to understand still then I can't help you. Professionals have been explaining in excruciating detail how it's not like the flu and how deadly this is for months, I have explained it over and over and I'm not doing it again. Go and read for yourself.

From what I gathered from the article, he wasn't necessarily saying its just a "flu" and accepted its quite likely 10 to 20 times more deadly. Rather he was questioning the testing methods which he suggested were out of the norm with other respitarory illnesses.

Cork Boy 53 · 27-03-2020 03:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe this got posted already. Apologies if it has. But the new London coronavirus ward is some incredible space. Two 1km long halls

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EOxjJUGIn2I

The ExCel Centre in London which normally hosts conferences, sporting events etc. One of the venues used during the London Olympic Games including Katie Taylor`s bouts on the way to her gold medal.

27-03-2020 03:43PM

kingshankly wrote: »

What’s the next level after “pandemic” or is there a next level

Endemic where it becomes permanent in the population like the flu.

dodzy · 27-03-2020 03:44PM

kingshankly wrote: »

What’s the next level after “pandemic” or is there a next level

ELE

caveat emptor · 27-03-2020 03:44PM

Hot off the press. UK government advised to get more goggles. Decided not to as would cost too much to store.
hindsight is 20 20.

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1243558880187166721?s=20

voluntary · 27-03-2020 03:45PM

Looking at the UK numbers it appears UK will soon be overtaking Italy and Spain combined.

GooglePlus · 27-03-2020 03:45PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Its mad to think that the US had their first case of Covid on Jan 22nd and now as of yesterday they've got over 80,000 cases. South Korea had their first case on Jan 21st......

The ability for it to spread is extraordinary.

To think that only 4 months ago, one person became infected from animal crossover and it now has a hold in every country in the world. It's fascinating.

murpho999 · 27-03-2020 03:46PM

timhenn wrote: »

Some reacted slower than others. Unfortunately for us, we were one of the slower ones.

How do you reckon this?

We called off rugby & Patrick's day pretty early.

We closed down schools etc ahead of most Western European countries apart from Italy & Spain

I really believe they're are people out there who just critcise everything that happens in Ireland for the sake of it.

timhenn · 27-03-2020 03:46PM

KiKi III wrote: »

Yes, you’re right. We have not done as well as Singapore. Happy? Can you acknowledge that we’re doing better than our close neighbours in NI and the UK, not to mention across the pond in the US?

We are unlikely to be among the very best countries at dealing with this, but we’ll also be far from the worst.

Catastrophising doesn’t help.

It's not a competition! I don't need any stats to tell me that we haven't dealt with this appropriately. But the stats are there for people who might believe that we have this under control and those in charge are on top of things.

They're not. Don't get complacent, this hasn't been controlled well here and it's still not being dealt with appropriately. This isn't catastrophising, this is telling the truth of the situation and it's far less dangerous than putting spin on the figures to make it seem like we're going well.

gormdubhgorm · 27-03-2020 03:46PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Not a hope. This is only the beginning.

I saw an expert predicting that Ireland could peak at 5k/6k. Plus the half assed way some countries with very large populations - ( example the USA and Brazil) are approaching things, is worrying.

dodzy · 27-03-2020 03:48PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

The ability for it to spread is extraordinary.

To think that only 4 months ago, one person became infected from animal crossover and it now has a hold in every country in the world. It's fascinating.

Sam Daniels said it best

"You have to admire its simplicity. It's one billionth our size and it's beating us."

KiKi III · 27-03-2020 03:48PM

timhenn wrote: »

It's not a competition! I don't need any stats to tell me that we haven't dealt with this appropriately. But the stats are there for people who might believe that we have this under control and those in charge are on top of things.

They're not. Don't get complacent, this hasn't been controlled well here and it's still not being dealt with appropriately. This isn't catastrophising, this is telling the truth of the situation and it's far less dangerous than putting spin on the figures to make it seem like we're going well.

I’m not suggesting any level of complacency, or that Ireland is on top of it. My entire interaction with you has simply been trying to explain how to look at the data accurately.

timhenn · 27-03-2020 03:49PM

murpho999 wrote: »

How do you reckon this?

We called off rugby & Patrick's day pretty early.

We closed down schools etc ahead of most Western European countries apart from Italy & Spain

I really believe they're are people out there who just critcise everything that happens in Ireland for the sake of it.

Again, a tiny island with prior warning. We were very slow to react.

dougm1970 · 27-03-2020 03:49PM

that nephew of mine....the 16 yr old.....who was very sick last week, but nearly fully recovered now....he got sick 10 days ago and was waiting all last week for a test, was told every day they would try and get to him next day.....dunno if theres any point at all now, is there ?

bit of background....he was extremely sick, couldnt get out of bed to shower for 3 days of it...fever (39.1)...persistent dry cough, headache, sick stomach...his face was so swollen and red...hes very fit, does boxing and football, and never sick, fit as a hare with no weight on him...and its the fact that he has those symptoms on that week...he had to self-isolate until next week, not just to the house, but to his bedroom only.
family are all on isolation...my wife getting their shopping etc and leaving at their gate.

anyway...my question is...is testing him at this stage worthwhile at all ?

our nephew won't be getting tested now they tell him...as since the rules changed for testing however many days ago it was...he doesn't now meet the criteria for testing.....even though he was so sick, he had to have been near another positive case etc.

anyway....upside is he's almost completely better and hoping to get out of his bedroom isolation this weekend.

Achasanai · 27-03-2020 03:49PM

I'm hearing a lot on the news people determining where the UK/New York/Spain are with regards to their 'peak', but I don't hear anybody trying to determine where Ireland is with this. Is this because we're taking a different approach (so any 'peak' will be much further along) or have I just missed it?

murpho999 wrote: »

How do you reckon this?

We called off rugby & Patrick's day pretty early.

We closed down schools etc ahead of most Western European countries apart from Italy & Spain

I really believe they're are people out there who just critcise everything that happens in Ireland for the sake of it.

Also, didn't we close down our schools ahead of even Italy and Spain, relatively speaking compared to where we were with cases? I could be wrong on that one, though.

Professor Moriarty · 27-03-2020 03:50PM

timhenn wrote: »

Again, a tiny island with prior warning. We were very slow to react.

No, no, no.

paleoperson · 27-03-2020 03:50PM

Miccoli wrote: »

From what I gathered from the article, he wasn't necessarily saying its just a "flu" and accepted its quite likely 10 to 20 times more deadly. Rather he was questioning the testing methods which he suggested were out of the norm with other respitarory illnesses.

Ah yes, the nuanced conspiracy theory.

The concession of some things, but with the overwhelming message that it's just a bad cold.

It's like just because someone doesn't go full Alex Jones we have to take them seriously, some joke.

timhenn · 27-03-2020 03:50PM

KiKi III wrote: »

I’m not suggesting any level of complacency, or that Ireland is on top of it. My entire interaction with you has simply been trying to explain how to look at the data accurately.

Again, the figures aren't meant to be used for a thesis. I showed you that Ireland doesn't shape up well under any metric. We're high up the list no matter what way you look at it.

stockshares · 27-03-2020 03:50PM

Here's the Report for NPHET.
This report includes data as of 26th March 2020 13:05 for events created on CIDR up to midnight Tuesday, 24th March, 2020

https://1drv.ms/b/s!AgNGJplI2Q3rgYh4GfI1eep9uIkt7Q

The table on clusters is on screenshot below. 9 Clusters in Nursing homes in East and 8 clusters in hospitals.

eagle eye · 27-03-2020 03:50PM

GooglePlus wrote:

It's fascinating.

I think horrifying is a better word.

timhenn · 27-03-2020 03:51PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

No, no, no.

More and more people are coming to realise this is fact. With the numbers dying ever increasing, the reality is starting to hit people.

Xertz · 27-03-2020 03:52PM

dodzy wrote: »

Sam Daniels said it best

"You have to admire its simplicity. It's one billionth our size and it's beating us."

and a billionth would be a massive overestimate of its weight.

A human might weigh say 80kg a coronavirus weighs a zeptogram i.e. 10 to the -21 grams

So one human = 80,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 coronaviruses in weight.

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 03:52PM

marilynrr wrote: »

I understand it may take years, if they even can make one and I absolutely understand the point for the current lockdown which is to flatten the curve, but we can't sustain a lockdown long term.

Not only will it negatively impact peoples mental health, it will lead to deaths due to that impact on mental health.

We also have to consider if that would be the best for the elderly to remain isolated and cut off from physical contact with their family (just in case they get covid-19) when something else may kill them anyway. There are some elderly people who are saying that there would be worse ways to go and they don't want to be isolated away from everyone. They would rather take their chances.

So while I am in favour of and understand the need for the current lockdown, I do not see it as sustainable, and I don't necessarily think it's the right thing to do either, even for the elderly.

Of course and I accept that. Everyone of us here have parents or elderly relatives and we are trying to do the best we can. From what I can see there are two options - the vaccine won't be here anytime soon so the elderly will have to remain isolated for a while. Hopefully if we maintain a couple months of a very tight lockdown we will see numbers peak and then decline and new infections limited. Then the elderly might be able to slowly move back into society - but of course with restrictions like 2 metre distancing for example until we can be sure covid has been eliminated.
However if we don't do a proper lockdown, then this thing will circulate with high numbers for months and like the ordinary flu remain in the population year round.
So a proper short term lockdown is critical and of course avoid introducing new cases into the system.

walshb · 27-03-2020 03:53PM

Had the TDF been postponed yet?

timhenn · 27-03-2020 03:53PM

I've made my point on this thread and backed it up with facts and figures. That's all I can do. Don't believe the spin people. Big trouble is coming. Stay extra safe!

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03