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Covid-XIX Part VI - 90 cases ROI (1 death) 29 in NI (as of 13 March) *Read OP*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    Naggdefy wrote: »
    I was running loo on toilet paper and bought some locally. Jaysus the looks I got, I wouldn't mind only I had 45 rolls.

    Did you get some baked beans as well?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    I think it's time to familiarize with the current stats, no matter how scary
    The 1% is pure fantasy
    the current death rate is 6% trending positive based on more than 70K closed cases, it's a very large sample
    we not testing only serious cases, we are testing also everyone who was in contact with a positive case. The number of undetected cases seems to be small

    Yeah...nobody’s panicking ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    I think it's time to familiarize with the current stats, no matter how scary
    The 1% is pure fantasy
    the current death rate is 6% trending positive based on more than 70K closed cases, it's a very large sample
    we not testing only serious cases, we are testing also everyone who was in contact with a positive case. The number of undetected cases seems to be small

    I actually think the CFR will drop again once Italy gets a handle on the outstanding cases.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Testing regime here is very narrow so numbers are staying low.

    Same in the UK, guy has symptoms,:

    https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1237276093620654080
    The NHS 111 coronavirus tool is currently advising that unless you have had direct contact with a confirmed case of coronavirus or have recently travelled from an affected area, you do not need to call NHS 111.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/11/coronavirus-update-live-news-uk-health-minister-italy-lockdown-australia-us-china-stock-markets-outbreak-latest-updates?page=with:block-5e68affb8f087df56e4c64b8#block-5e68affb8f087df56e4c64b8


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    you don't get it, it's fine
    cheers

    ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭TheAsYLuMkeY


    Beasty wrote: »
    Someone knows someone who apparently may "know" something that may or indeed may not be accurate

    Definitely maybe


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Beasty wrote: »
    OK, Here goes


    DON'T PANIC!!

    Go all in, or do nothing. There is no in-between.

    The time for panicking was back in January. No panic meant the spread to multiple countries.

    The time for panic was back in February. No panic meant the spread to Ireland.

    The time for panic is March. No panic means we end up in the same position Italy is now in.

    What is panic on an individual level anyway: buying lots of lavatory paper and hand sanitizer? That doesn't really matter either way. People shouldn't do that, but it isn't the most pressing issue at hand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭Ms2011


    My husband just got an email from his job saying in the event of being infected or quarantined they should work from home, if that is not an option (as in my husband's case as he works on heavy machinery) the employee must use holidays or unpaid leave regardless if they have been instructed by a GP or the HSE to stay at home.
    I can see this causing alot of people to risk working even if they suspect they may be sick.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Naggdefy


    John B Keane's wife had a great saying when the family met hardship.. 'We'll hoor it out'.

    Instead of 'Let's Make America Great Again'. Let the Irish mantra be..

    'We'll Hoor It Out!'


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  • Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭dublin99


    Latest clusters reported in Nagoya, Japan, totalling 81 new cases:

    36 associated with a gym
    45 associated with care facility for the old

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/03/11/national/science-health/japan-covid-19-clusters-local-governments/#.XmjiNaj7SUk

    We must learn from these lessons. Even one asymptomatic case can cause a cluster in the community!

    Of the Asian cities, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau have done relatively well to stop community spread. In addition to quarantine requirements for visitors from infected countries (including Italy), EVERYONE wears a mask!

    European officials/specialists are downplaying the effectiveness of masks only because the supply is limited. I got some when travelling in Asia last Christmas and I am going to start wearing them.... at least it will offer some protection (from the droplets) from the guy coughing behind me on the bus!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    Who is going to discipline him? The clueless managers that dismissed it when it was brought to their attention earlier. They are the ones that should be sacked for gross negligence if he tests positive for C19!

    But yeah I agree with you on these clowns coming into work when they are clearly ill and even more so in the current climate.

    We had a similar thing happen here last year, staff member comes in coughing and spluttering and in rotten form and refused to go home saying 'ah its only a bit of a flu'. I told my office manager unless they send them home then i'm leaving as I don't want to catch it and pass it onto my children/family. They were sent home and didn't come back for over a week as they were so bad. Fúcking arseholes!!

    We live in an economic system where people are told that taking time off work is the worst thing you can do. Don’t badmouth people, bad mouth your stupid company and stakeholders for facilitating that kind of culture. If he rang in sick, people would be calling him a bluffer, look at the work and jobs threads on Boards.ie to see what people think about people taking time off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭otnomart




  • Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭Refractions


    Inquitus wrote: »
    Same in the UK, guy has symptoms,:





    Simply aren't the facilities to test every hypochondriac with a temperature.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,031 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    What? Sure he's probably not sick?

    The chances of catching it are slim enough. He's right to go to work unless he is showing symptoms.
    Angela Merkel stated in a press conference that 60 to 70 percent of all Germans will be infected. That's the exact opposite of slim enough and Ireland will be no different once it takes a hold.


  • Registered Users Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    Came across interesting article in National Geographic 10/03/20

    Based on research and WHO reports, it may be for many an eyeopener regarding susceptibility of 20-50 year old cohort, among other widely held mistaken givens.

    These underlying conditions make coronavirus more severe, and they're surprisingly common
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/03/these-underlying-conditions-make-coronavirus-more-severe-and-they-are-surprisingly-common/?sf231272833=1

    cf following quotes.

    'But evidence also shows that COVID-19 is more fatal across all age groups than seasonal influenza, with death rates six to 10 times higher for those under 50. Moreover, death isn’t the only danger, and severe cases of COVID-19 are more common among young adults than you might think.'
    {unfortunately comparative graph does not display properly here}

    ....

    One alarming distinction with COVID-19 is the long incubation period before symptoms appear, which ranges from two to 14 days.

    ....

    The kids are alright?
    At the same time, all the data collected so far suggest that COVID-19 is rare and less severe in children. Through February 11, the Chinese CDC recorded 44,600 confirmed cases, but only 400 involved kids under 9 years old, and none died. So does this mean children are less likely to be infected, or that they just don't get very sick?

    “All of us in the field think the latter is true,” says John Williams, chief of the division of pediatric infectious diseases at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. Early tracing among close contacts and in households has found that children are just as likely to catch the novel coronavirus as adults. The low number of childhood cases reported so far could be due to testing being concentrated at hospitals, Williams notes. “Once testing involves more mild patients, outpatients in clinics, and doctor’s offices, you will find more adults and probably a lot more kids.”


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  • Site Banned Posts: 33 Doctor Shipman


    The national archives closed from 12pm today until further notice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    I actually think the CFR will drop again once Italy gets a handle on the outstanding cases.


    Yes it all depends on HSE capacity. China managed to bring down the death rate but they ended up building additional hospitals
    Europe is dealing with one ourbreak so far, we haven't even seen other countries dealing with it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭scamalert


    lol it will look like bum apocalypse poor kid getting sprayed into face :pac:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,333 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    I predict the virus will be on the run by mid to late Summer. That's my positive prediction, I might also add that if one is unlucky enough to contract the virus, certain drugs (currently in supply) will lessen the symptoms.

    Glass always half full.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Simply aren't the facilities to test every hypochondriac with a temperature.

    Aye but by limiting the testing to only those who are hospitalised by community transmission we are under-reporting those numbers massively, they are also the numbers to be most worried about, as they come from the most dangerous pools of spreaders, people who we don't know how they contracted it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    I'd be pretty angry if I was a Melbournian today seeing the F1 circus in town. Especially them damn dirty Italians in scarlet red walking around. Nothing to do with the virus, their cheating and corruption disgusts me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    A few teachers on here looking for a holiday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭Beanybabog


    Ms2011 wrote: »
    My husband just got an email from his job saying in the event of being infected or quarantined they should work from home, if that is not an option (as in my husband's case as he works on heavy machinery) the employee must use holidays or unpaid leave regardless if they have been instructed by a GP or the HSE to stay at home.
    I can see this causing alot of people to risk working even if they suspect they may be sick.

    I imagine anyone quarantined can get illness benefit ? It’s not much but it’s more than it was last week


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,453 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Schools shouldn't open tomorrow I don't know what they're waiting for. It's obvious they will do it soon anyway so why wait? Why do they have to wait for the HSE to make a decision?

    You're right, a Boards poll should be used to make these kinds of decisions.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 17,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Schools shouldn't open tomorrow I don't know what they're waiting for. It's obvious they will do it soon anyway so why wait? Why do they have to wait for the HSE to make a decision? Fcuk that, is that not where a minister steps in and says right that's it schools closed?
    When the schools close, they will need to give some advanced notice. A lot of people can't work from home, so something would need to be arranged with employers. You can't just assume all places can function if a big part of the staff vanish. People will still need a wage and a job to return to. Notice gives people time to try to balance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,988 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Schools shouldn't open tomorrow I don't know what they're waiting for. It's obvious they will do it soon anyway so why wait? Why do they have to wait for the HSE to make a decision? Fcuk that, is that not where a minister steps in and says right that's it schools closed?

    The theory seems to be if they close things too early then they will have to reopen too early.

    Which doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

    The Italian government made the decision too late, citing "scientific" claims that there was absolutely no evidence to suggest shutting down schools would halt the spread.

    60 million Italians are currently in "lockdown".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Cork teacher self-isolates after contact with Covid-19 case; Colaiste Chriost Rí to remain open

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/cork-teacher-self-isolates-after-contact-with-covid-19-case-colaiste-chriost-ri-to-remain-open-987240.html

    You couldnt make this stuff up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,988 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    ixoy wrote: »
    When the schools close, they will need to give some advanced notice. A lot of people can't work from home, so something would need to be arranged with employers. You can't just assume all places can function if a big part of the staff vanish. People will still need a wage and a job to return to. Notice gives people time to try to balance.

    The problem is they may not give ample notice.

    Any questioning on what might happen is met with "HSE know what they are doing".

    Which isn't an answer.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    Beanybabog wrote: »
    I imagine anyone quarantined can get illness benefit ? It’s not much but it’s more than it was last week

    Yeah, if they test you for it. Better hope you went to northern Italy.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,333 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Stay positive, post #221 is where it's at ...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    If it's true that it can stay latent in the body and reemerge later then random outbreaks might be unavoidable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,286 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Boggles wrote: »
    The theory seems to be if they close things too early then they will have to reopen too early.

    Which doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

    The Italian government made the decision too late, citing "scientific" claims that there was absolutely no evidence to suggest shutting down schools would halt the spread.

    60 million Italians are currently in "lockdown".

    Odds are we'll be experiencing some sort of lock down in 3 weeks if the current pattern continues, hopefully not as severe.


  • Registered Users Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    I think it's time to familiarize with the current stats, no matter how scary
    The 1% is pure fantasy

    I agree it’s much lower as in South Korea


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,161 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Ms2011 wrote: »
    My husband just got an email from his job saying in the event of being infected or quarantined they should work from home, if that is not an option (as in my husband's case as he works on heavy machinery) the employee must use holidays or unpaid leave regardless if they have been instructed by a GP or the HSE to stay at home.
    I can see this causing alot of people to risk working even if they suspect they may be sick.

    If they are instructed by the HSE to stay at home then they are entitled to €305 a week


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,031 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    I actually think the CFR will drop again once Italy gets a handle on the outstanding cases.
    By training up doctors in 2 weeks or what? They are pressing all sorts of non-related (eg orthopaedic) doctors into tackling this. They have recalled retired doctors. If the virus wasn't threatening the world there would be doctors from the rest of the EU in there helping. Italy won't get a handle on the CFR until most of their elderly population has died.


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    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Yes it all depends on HSE capacity. China managed to bring down the death rate but they ended up building additional hospitals
    Europe is dealing with one ourbreak so far, we haven't even seen other countries dealing with it


    Which makes it vital for the majority to engage with the modified behaviour regime, plus a lockdown too I think.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,185 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Couldn't believe there was no update in the thread, didn't realise we were on a new one! Bloody hell, slow down Boardsies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    ITman88 wrote: »
    I agree it’s much lower as in South Korea

    Have you actually checked South Koreans statistics? The mortality rate is 0.8% there, with many others in serious conditions. South Korea's stats are also skewed because half of the cases are cult members half of which are aged below 30


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Wombatman wrote: »
    A few teachers on here looking for a holiday.

    Any school shutdown, the teachers should get fined if they take a vacation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    Thread 6 howareya! If the cases of Coronavirus are set to double every 3.5 days, what's the rate at which we're opening new threads?!

    America really is becoming the new Iran. Relatively few cases versus the population but even the transport security agents are coming down with it, indicating lots of people passing them by have had it (or one of their number passing it on) https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/11/coronavirus-update-live-news-uk-health-minister-italy-lockdown-australia-us-china-stock-markets-outbreak-latest-updates?page=with:block-5e68dbea8f085f0b8d946506#block-5e68dbea8f085f0b8d946506


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 834 ✭✭✭KWAG2019


    There’s going to be a lot of movement in stats as the pandemic develops. Merkel has said 60% infection rate eventually which might imply this is going to be around for a year or so. Best hope is vaccine in 12-18 months and social distancing, isolation/quarantines/smaller gatherings and good hygiene. There will need to be adjustments to how we have lived and travelled.

    Older people and immune compromised people are going to have narrower lives into the future. Like the song says, it’s later than you think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    wakka12 wrote: »

    Is she telling people she has made a choice to let people getting sick and provide care for those who need it rather that aggressively attempting to contain the virus?

    70% is as scenario whereby there is very little attempts for containment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    bekker wrote: »
    Came across interesting article in National Geographic 10/03/20

    Based on research and WHO reports, it may be for many an eyeopener regarding susceptibility of 20-50 year old cohort, among other widely held mistaken givens.

    These underlying conditions make coronavirus more severe, and they're surprisingly common
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/03/these-underlying-conditions-make-coronavirus-more-severe-and-they-are-surprisingly-common/?sf231272833=1

    cf following quotes.

    'But evidence also shows that COVID-19 is more fatal across all age groups than seasonal influenza, with death rates six to 10 times higher for those under 50. Moreover, death isn’t the only danger, and severe cases of COVID-19 are more common among young adults than you might think.'
    {unfortunately comparative graph does not display properly here}

    ....

    One alarming distinction with COVID-19 is the long incubation period before symptoms appear, which ranges from two to 14 days.

    ....

    The kids are alright?
    At the same time, all the data collected so far suggest that COVID-19 is rare and less severe in children. Through February 11, the Chinese CDC recorded 44,600 confirmed cases, but only 400 involved kids under 9 years old, and none died. So does this mean children are less likely to be infected, or that they just don't get very sick?

    “All of us in the field think the latter is true,” says John Williams, chief of the division of pediatric infectious diseases at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. Early tracing among close contacts and in households has found that children are just as likely to catch the novel coronavirus as adults. The low number of childhood cases reported so far could be due to testing being concentrated at hospitals, Williams notes. “Once testing involves more mild patients, outpatients in clinics, and doctor’s offices, you will find more adults and probably a lot more kids.”

    National geographic in on it now, they’ve realised the hysteria sells so well among the vulnerable and anxiety ridden.


  • Registered Users Posts: 122 ✭✭Looney1


    Will people get the 305 euro if there is a lock down.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Which makes it vital for the majority to engage with the modified behaviour regime, plus a lockdown too I think.


    Defenitely. Lock down now will save lives.
    I don't even want to imagine a scenario like Italy where people are sent back home to die because of age or per-existing conditions. They filled up hospitals with only people outside the at-risk categories


  • Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭skepticalme


    Interview with an Italian doctor.


    Virus is worse than a bomb.


    https://youtu.be/9mrPHO-nkVE


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    Cork teacher self-isolates after contact with Covid-19 case; Colaiste Chriost Rí to remain open

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/cork-teacher-self-isolates-after-contact-with-covid-19-case-colaiste-chriost-ri-to-remain-open-987240.html

    You couldnt make this stuff up

    There's no room for f**k ups with this virus, we've seen plenty so far from that nursing home in the US to that cult in Korea


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,269 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    flynnlives wrote: »
    Some real heads in the sand on this thread.

    In UCHG there are only 10 icu beds.

    If 200 people get infected in Galway 5% of those will need critical care and boom! just like that there is no more icu beds.
    There are now 50 cases on the Island.


    But sure lets wait and see! It will be grand!


    WAKE THE **** UP FFS!

    Therre is no need to be so alarmist or dramatic. No country in the world woikd have enough ICU resources to cover things like this. China had to costruct a facility and they are uniquely placed to be able to scale up like that.

    HOWEVER WE ARE NOT AT THAT POINT YET


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,988 ✭✭✭spookwoman




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