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Covid-XIX Part VI - 90 cases ROI (1 death) 29 in NI (as of 13 March) *Read OP*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    NIMAN wrote: »
    No one is saying there will be no deaths.

    There will be for sure, maybe quite a lot.

    But not anywhere near what some doom merchants are saying.

    I hope we all die just to see the look on your face

    ;)

    Also on a serious note, when our hospitals are overwhelmed by the virus, there will be patients in hospital that might die indirectly because of the lack of resouces/staff

    These figures wont be in the number of deaths caused by the virus


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    But if they are unknown then you can't say what the rate is.

    Exactly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Those figures are based on known cases. There will be far more cases that are never reported, tested for, or even realised. The rate will be way lower as a result.


    That legend has been debunked
    unreported cases don't seem to be that many after all as symptoms emerge almost in every case


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭05eaftqbrs9jlh


    spookwoman wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/breakingnewsie/status/1237721964556382209?s=20

    A teacher at a Cork secondary school is in self-isolation after coming in close contact with someone who tested positive for Covid-19.
    “The teacher involved has informed the school that he has not tested positive for the virus,” the school said.
    I don't know how this school is covered to stay open, even insurance-wise. The risk of litigation by a parent whose child contracts the virus at the school and passes it on due to inadequate precautions must be astronomical.


  • Registered Users Posts: 739 ✭✭✭flynnlives


    owlbethere wrote: »
    It's possible the corks case got it in the hospital. I think I read he showed up in hospital at some stage and then he went in again for something else or another. Maybe someone in the hospital who was away in Italy. God knows.

    thats exactly how he got it. I was told by someone who attended an emergency meeting last week in a big hospital.

    That guy present with pneumonia and was sent home. A few days later he was back. He caught it from a healthcare worker. Thats the reason they virtually shutdown all of CUH and sent 60 healthcare workers home.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭dougm1970


    i put this at end of last thread...looked back and thread had ended....anyway...

    whats happening in russia?....are they not reporting cases or testing ?.....or are they really not getting hit as hard....i see countries further away from equator like greenland not getting hit, but russia has hard hit countries like sweden and finland beside it....mongolia the same with low figures and china and south korea beside it.....and then theres turkeys numbers.
    its a curiosity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    But if they are unknown then you can't say what the rate is.


    Correct
    it's amazing how people create stats using imaginary figures to suit their personal hopes


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    That legend has been debunked
    unreported cases don't seem to be that many after all as symptoms emerge almost in every case

    Bullsh1t. That doesn’t even make any sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,349 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    dougm1970 wrote: »
    i put this at end of last thread...looked back and thread had ended....anyway...

    whats happening in russia?....are they not reporting cases or testing ?.....or are they really not getting hit as hard....i see countries further away from equator like greenland not getting hit, but russia has hard hit countries like sweden and finland beside it....mongolia the same with low figures and china and south korea beside it.....and then theres turkeys numbers.
    its a curiosity.

    Not testing/not reporting. Viruses don't stop at national borders.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭Longing


    Renault F1 team members in isolation. F1 driver Daniel Ricciardo skips news conference as three team members isolate after showing symptoms of Coronavirus. On Sky Sports.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,252 ✭✭✭deisedevil


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    That legend has been debunked
    unreported cases don't seem to be that many after all as symptoms emerge almost in every case

    The HSE are not testing anyone who has all the symptoms but don't have a link to a confirmed case or were in one of the "affected" regions (is Ireland not an affected region yet). So people who are at home with terrible flu symptoms and high temps are being told there is no need to test them I know of quite a few of these. One who has been in bed for nearly a week and was told there is no need to test. That could be a case. That's unreported. And same with a few others.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭otnomart


    Ooooh I love tables. You wouldn’t have the European numbers to put alongside it, would ya? So, 1st March is our day one and whatever, ie: Spain day announced their first case is written alongside day one. Would be interesting to see the rises in cases like that.


    Yesterday I posted this table which I found on Twitter:

    a comparative table of China, Italy, Germany and France.
    At 200 cases, the curves seem symmetrical. (John Hopkins University data)



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  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,351 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    We have an opportunity to get ahead of this if only someone would make a firm decision.

    OK, Here goes


    DON'T PANIC!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Bullsh1t. That doesn’t even make any sense.


    well, google is your friend
    there was also link from the WHO doctor on the previous thread where this was covered, you are not up to date


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Correct
    it's amazing how people create stats using imaginary figures to suit their personal hopes

    Such low sample data, makes it very hard to extrapolate, if we total cases breach 50 tonight (Rep only), we are likely seeing a significant uptick, if it stays below 50 this is a good sign, but could be attributable to both lack of testing and/or lack of positives.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,349 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Longing wrote: »
    Renault F1 team members in isolation. F1 driver Daniel Ricciardo skips news conference as three team members isolate after showing symptoms of Coronavirus. On Sky Sports.

    Jaysus. F1 season being cancelled is a strong possibility.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,462 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Those figures are based on known cases. There will be far more cases that are never reported, tested for, or even realised. The rate will be way lower as a result.

    Whilst it's possible it's no guarantee either. There was widespread testing in Hubei/China once they got some semblance of control over the outbreak and they did not find the hundreds of thousands of mild cases the WHO were expecting.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    I don't know how this school is covered to stay open, even insurance-wise. The risk of litigation by a parent whose child contracts the virus at the school and passes it on due to inadequate precautions must be astronomical.



    Are you having a giraffe?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,349 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Inquitus wrote: »
    Such, low sample data, makes it very hard to extrapolate, if we total cases breach 50 tonight (Rep only), we are likely seeing a significant uptick, if it stays below 50 this is a good sign, but could be attributable to both lack of testing and/or lack of positives.

    Testing regime here is very narrow so numbers are staying low.


  • Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭Axfrderr


    Looks like someone didn't get the pm last night with the big numbers!

    For the love of god don't mention the **:eek:


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  • Site Banned Posts: 33 Doctor Shipman


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Jaysus. F1 season being cancelled is a strong possibility.

    I'd say the football European Championships will be cancelled aswell.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    well, google is your friend
    there was also link from the WHO doctor on the previous thread where this was covered, you are not up to date

    You can’t claim that all cases show symptoms unless you know all cases. And there is no way of knowing that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    Realistically, the virus was just a news piece up to a few weeks ago. Most people have to get on with their lives, grinding to a halt while the rest of the world moves outside is not in our nature. Unless the moment comes where we are given clear warnings then I don’t begrudge people. There should have been a pledge with Varadkar addressing the nation for people to not go to Cheltenam or go to work if the situation is that serious.

    The prick couldn't really do that when he is swanning off to the US for his annual hand over a bowl of fúcking shamrocks nonsense. I know him staying at home wont make any difference as he is about as useless as tits on a bull but he should be showing solidarity to all those having to restrict their movements.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Jaysus. F1 season being cancelled is a strong possibility.

    Each F1 GP is like a mini Olympics, people fly in from all over the world to see both a new country and the race, with teams also based all across the world. It is perfect melting pot for disease and contagion, much the same as the Olympics but on a smaller scale. I would advocate that the season should be cancelled shortly.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    flynnlives wrote: »
    thats exactly how he got it. I was told by someone who attended an emergency meeting last week in a big hospital.

    That guy present with pneumonia and was sent home. A few days later he was back. He caught it from a healthcare worker. Thats the reason they virtually shutdown all of CUH and sent 60 healthcare workers home.

    Wasn't there two cases of healthcare workers in the south in the past few days? How come there wasn't more?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭scamalert


    dougm1970 wrote: »
    i put this at end of last thread...looked back and thread had ended....anyway...

    whats happening in russia?....are they not reporting cases or testing ?.....or are they really not getting hit as hard....i see countries further away from equator like greenland not getting hit, but russia has hard hit countries like sweden and finland beside it....mongolia the same with low figures and china and south korea beside it.....and then theres turkeys numbers.
    its a curiosity.
    its a russian way of dealing with things - no matter how bad it gets they wont go into reporting jack $hit - history shows it every time, for one it might be bad on the other hand given that most population are in capital and few cities and rather scarsce population nationwide few who might present with symptoms would be treated rest would be ignored - not taken into any stats, but aside that life would move on, better then spreading Bull news each minute i guess.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭Living Off The Splash


    Ooooh I love tables. You wouldn’t have the European numbers to put alongside it, would ya? So, 1st March is our day one and whatever, ie: Spain day announced their first case is written alongside day one. Would be interesting to see the rises in cases like that.


    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    deisedevil wrote: »
    The HSE are not testing anyone who has all the symptoms but don't have a link to a confirmed case or were in one of the "affected" regions (is Ireland not an affected region yet). So people who are at home with terrible flu symptoms and high temps are being told there is no need to test them I know of quite a few of these. One who has been in bed for nearly a week and was told there is no need to test. That could be a case. That's unreported. And same with a few others.


    Most of them could just have a flue then
    Clusters of infected people eventually get detected because at least a few people will require intensive care, that's when testing begins.
    WHO doesn't believe that there can be clusters of undetected people in countries where figures re reported officially. They also clarified that asymptomatic cases are very rare


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 198 ✭✭Cork_Langer1


    Gardainfo on twitter are giving misinformation about the virus, when in fact they're the ones who are incorrect.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭Pintman Paddy Losty


    I just want to correct something as a lot of people quoted me.

    I either read the post wrong or it wasn't fully quoted, but I thought the person returned from Madrid but wasn't showing symptoms. That's why I said chances are he isn't sick. No need to isolate.

    I was wrong. The person is sick and most definitely should NOT be in work. Apologies.

    As for my employees. None of them can afford winter holidays so non of them need to self isolate. As per HSE advice if they are traced to a known case they will isolate. Hasn't happened yet. And before someone says it, no they can't work from home.

    As for the 1% figure. We know that this is mild or even symptomless in many people. The testing is not widespread enough to give a true mortality rate yet. It's likely to be lower because we're mostly testing serious cases.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭Beanybabog


    Poland closed all schools and universities until 25th March. They have 25 cases


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,351 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    spookwoman wrote: »
    I did but left it as is as I was asked not to tell anyone
    Everyone else has passed it onto at least 2 people - this particular rumour has spread faster than any virulent bug. By Friday the whole of the planet will know


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    otnomart wrote: »
    Yesterday I posted this table which I found on Twitter:

    a comparative table of China, Italy, Germany and France.
    At 200 cases, the curves seem symmetrical. (John Hopkins University data)



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    31st of General was a bad day for China


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭05eaftqbrs9jlh


    Bullsh1t. That doesn’t even make any sense.
    I know yeah, how can you definitively know an unknown number? Even your best guess could be way off. Unfortunately as our selective testing methods do not screen in a way that will detect community transmission, we have a situation that is already out of control.

    https://twitter.com/Dickdoc123/status/1237722534478524416?s=20

    https://twitter.com/CovidIreland/status/1237693473844854785?s=20

    https://twitter.com/brianymoran/status/1237517976942731266?s=20

    https://twitter.com/NAChristakis/status/1235204453315358722?s=20


  • Registered Users Posts: 29 TheyDidWhat?!


    spookwoman wrote: »
    I did but left it as is as I was asked not to tell anyone

    Missed this :confused:

    Someone in the know has an update on numbers that can't be shared?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tippex


    I'd say the football European Championships will be cancelled aswell.

    Yep the fact that it's across 12 cities and countries is going to cause massive logistical problems.
    I can see them giving it until end of April if things have not improved they will pull the plug.
    Mid May and I think the plug will be pulled on the Olympics.

    The amount of events that are being cancelled / moved now is really ramping up Coachella was moved to november yesterday.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭dougm1970


    deisedevil wrote: »
    The HSE are not testing anyone who has all the symptoms but don't have a link to a confirmed case or were in one of the "affected" regions (is Ireland not an affected region yet). So people who are at home with terrible flu symptoms and high temps are being told there is no need to test them I know of quite a few of these. One who has been in bed for nearly a week and was told there is no need to test. That could be a case. That's unreported. And same with a few others.

    yes...and this was like the lady who rang newstalk yesterday and had an obvious dry cough and the presenter (ciara...) who's seemingly a doctor, told her it was probably just a cold and not to worry about it....my concern is these could be carriers.....but, anyway, besides that, i'm wondering, how did the cases that got tested as positive and were community cases, where they had no contact with other cases, get tested at all...how did they qualify to get tested ?....i have a feeling thats been answered in other thread but i missed it and am still curious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    dougm1970 wrote: »
    i put this at end of last thread...looked back and thread had ended....anyway...

    whats happening in russia?....are they not reporting cases or testing ?.....or are they really not getting hit as hard....i see countries further away from equator like greenland not getting hit, but russia has hard hit countries like sweden and finland beside it....mongolia the same with low figures and china and south korea beside it.....and then theres turkeys numbers.
    its a curiosity.

    The virus must be scared of strongmen like putin, erdogon etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Whilst it's possible it's no guarantee either. There was widespread testing in Hubei/China once they got some semblance of control over the outbreak and they did not find the hundreds of thousands of mild cases the WHO were expecting.


    Correct. The same happened in Italy
    Thousands of undetected people sitting at home with no symptoms was a wrong assumptions. All clusters get detected through people with severe symptoms who test positive


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I know yeah, how can you definitively know an unknown number? Even your best guess could be way off. Unfortunately as our selective testing methods do not screen in a way that will detect community transmission, we have a situation that is already out of control.

    https://twitter.com/Dickdoc123/status/1237722534478524416?s=20

    https://twitter.com/CovidIreland/status/1237693473844854785?s=20

    https://twitter.com/brianymoran/status/1237517976942731266?s=20

    https://twitter.com/NAChristakis/status/1235204453315358722?s=20


    I see one those tweets, says schools & 3rd level colleges closing until "after Easter". I'd be surprised if they were back open before the Autumn.


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  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,351 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Missed this :confused:

    Someone in the know has an update on numbers that can't be shared?
    Someone knows someone who apparently may "know" something that may or indeed may not be accurate


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    I just want to correct something as a lot of people quoted me.

    I either read the post wrong or it wasn't fully quoted, but I thought the person returned from Madrid but wasn't showing symptoms. That's why I said chances are he isn't sick. No need to isolate.

    I was wrong. The person is sick and most definitely should NOT be in work. Apologies.

    As for my employees. None of them can afford winter holidays so non of them need to self isolate. As per HSE advice if they are traced to a known case they will isolate. Hasn't happened yet. And before someone says it, no they can't work from home.

    As for the 1% figure. We know that this is mild or even symptomless in many people. The testing is not widespread enough to give a true mortality rate yet. It's likely to be lower because we're mostly testing serious cases.


    Backpedaller Paddy Losty :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    Ah now, P. This isn’t some strong “wind” or a bit of snow where people are trying to skive off for a day on the couch.

    I get pissed off with “martyrs” coming in with a bad cold, or flu, at the best of times and this is one bad flu I don’t want to get.

    Then the fact he’s going to a doctor’s appointment when the “recommended route” is to call the GP and “self isolate”.

    I’d be looking at “disciplinary” action against that lad on his return to work.

    Knowing endangering the entire office, and, more importantly, it’s efficiency has to be covered under some HR “policy”.

    Who is going to discipline him? The clueless managers that dismissed it when it was brought to their attention earlier. They are the ones that should be sacked for gross negligence if he tests positive for C19!

    But yeah I agree with you on these clowns coming into work when they are clearly ill and even more so in the current climate.

    We had a similar thing happen here last year, staff member comes in coughing and spluttering and in rotten form and refused to go home saying 'ah its only a bit of a flu'. I told my office manager unless they send them home then i'm leaving as I don't want to catch it and pass it onto my children/family. They were sent home and didn't come back for over a week as they were so bad. Fúcking arseholes!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Correct. The same happened in Italy
    Thousands of undetected people sitting at home with no symptoms was a wrong assumptions. All clusters get detected through people with severe symptoms who test positive

    You can’t account for something that hasn’t been detected.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21 Candlemass


    Beanybabog wrote: »
    Poland closed all schools and universities until 25th March. They have 25 cases


    Ukraine only has 1 case and they have shut schools/ mass events and cancelled some flights

    https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/reuters-ukrainian-capital-kyiv-shuts-schools-mass-events-to-prevent-spread-of-virus.html?cn-reloaded=1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Beasty wrote: »
    OK, Here goes


    DON'T PANIC!!

    Beasty; I honestly think folk are in these posts, just stating facts and worst case scenarios. The ones who are panicking tend to say so or not post. Maybe panic is in the eye of the reader.. I hope no one IS panicking .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    As for the 1% figure. We know that this is mild or even symptomless in many people. The testing is not widespread enough to give a true mortality rate yet. It's likely to be lower because we're mostly testing serious cases.


    I think it's time to familiarize with the current stats, no matter how scary
    The 1% is pure fantasy
    the current death rate is 6% trending positive based on more than 70K closed cases, it's a very large sample
    we not testing only serious cases, we are testing also everyone who was in contact with a positive case. The number of undetected cases seems to be small


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,286 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Schools shouldn't open tomorrow I don't know what they're waiting for. It's obvious they will do it soon anyway so why wait? Why do they have to wait for the HSE to make a decision? Fcuk that, is that not where a minister steps in and says right that's it schools closed?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Naggdefy


    I was running loo on toilet paper and bought some locally. Jaysus the looks I got, I wouldn't mind only I had 45 rolls.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    You can’t account for something that hasn’t been detected.


    you don't get it, it's fine
    cheers


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