Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP

11-03-2020 11:35am

ITman88 wrote: »

This is the most realistic approach, experts on this thread are quoting the Wuhan approach of total lockdown, the same posters who are saying China aren’t telling us the truth, and what’s to say as soon as the lockdown ends the cases won’t escalate once again?!

Isolating people is not going to kill the virus. The virus will survive.

We cannot lock down indefinitely, in spite of what the medical experts on here are saying.

People are going to get it, nothing will stop this.
What the infection control methods are for is the stop everyone getting it at once and completely swamping the health services.

We need to prevent deaths because we had 4 people sick but only one ventilator etc

Beanybabog · 11-03-2020 11:36am

ixoy wrote: »

Why would you presume their other halfs can work from home?

Anyone who assumes people can work from home when the schools are closed obviously doesn’t have small kids. I have remote access and work part time and the most I can do is a couple of emails from home if the kids are here

Bob24 · 11-03-2020 11:36am

touts wrote: »

They couldn't close the Dail bar. It's the only thing that brings some of the TDs to the building on a Tuesday night.

Yeah if they did that we’d be under immediate lockdown worse than Wuhan until the situation allows to reopen it ;-)

Graces7 · 11-03-2020 11:36am

The Rook wrote: »

Depends on the illness and the severity of said illness (and the individual).
I am on strong immunosuppressants due to a long term illness and year on year both my GP and my consultants say that I most definitely should get the flu vaccine.

Having said that it might not be the same for everyone so one can't say that what applies to Peter will apply to Paul.

Absolutely! Thank you. Each is different and we trust our own advisers .

This comes up frequently; I have had the same response from every GP when I have moved county. NO vaccines in your case. And I trust that. The ramifications in my case - and I am already vaccine damaged - make the vaccine more dangerous than catching flu.

Hence my isolated way of life in a very remote place.

Blueshoe · 11-03-2020 11:36am

Close the schools. They can make the time back in the summer. Not enough school days as it is but the children are the priority. Teachers not so much

ITman88 · 11-03-2020 11:36am

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Most nurses marry lower level workers like plumbers, gardaí and manual labour types. Unlikely they can work from home.

Different with female doctors though I'd imagine.

You posts always make me smile!

2lazytogetup · 11-03-2020 11:36am

i heard that for some viruses, if one person catches it, fights it, and passes it on, the next person doesnt get it as bad because the first person's immune system has weakened the virus. i havent heard this idea come up in discussion.

anyone know?

this is different to the herd immunisation, as im not talking about people having had a vaccine.

Stationmaster · 11-03-2020 11:36am

Naggdefy wrote: »

You can travel from pharmacy to pharmacy though. In my provincial town there are 6 in walking distance. Some people do that.

And in smaller towns/villages you just get them as separate transactions there and then.

11-03-2020 11:36am

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Most nurses marry lower level workers like plumbers, gardaí and manual labour types. Unlikely they can work from home.

Different with female doctors though I'd imagine.

My wife is a nurse, I am currently working from home

Plumbers and Gardaí are lower level workers???

Hector Savage · 11-03-2020 11:37am

Naggdefy wrote: »

Anyone hear of Mr. Fegelein, the multiple thread starter.

I'd love to here his thoughts..

He's just left school, so is 0.00000000000000000000001% chance of dying - he doesn't give a sh1t - and fair enough, I wouldn't have either when I was 18...

ax530 · 11-03-2020 11:37am

RandomViewer wrote: »

We are coming into a long bank holiday weekend, most workplaces are closing Monday so people are heading from the cities to holiday homes in the country, will we see a huge increase in the spread?

Maybe if those with country holiday homes for a long weekend are the same people who went to Italy to ski for mid term so could already be isolated !

On a serious note the spread can be reduced by hand washing, social distancing, not touching face. So the more people who practice this the better - those going to the country homes from city and those who are not going anywhere.

I plan on staying at home as much as possible to 'do my bit' to avoid the spread of this virus. Guess someone from house will have to go to shops but over all no social or entertainment outings.

If schools close people will have issues with childcare but hopefully others in the community can help out. I'd offer some friends to my house during the day. I will work from home in evenigns when kids sleep as working from home and flexible working are options for me and understand nurses and other health care professionals will need help to allow them function best to help treat sick people.

khalessi · 11-03-2020 11:37am

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Most nurses marry lower level workers like plumbers, gardaí and manual labour types. Unlikely they can work from home.

Different with female doctors though I'd imagine.

Hilarious!! Not true but why would you assume that?

Spook_ie · 11-03-2020 11:37am

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

What am I going to call my GP for? I had a very mild flu like I've had before. I didn't develop it after an incubation period. I literally for it the day I arrived.

Is everyone who gets flu supposed to call their GP?

Standard flu has an incubation period, as well as CoVid19. You should at least ring the help line if you develop any flu like symptoms.

11-03-2020 11:37am

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

It's getting very tetchy in here today

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Blueshoe · 11-03-2020 11:37am

2lazytogetup wrote: »

i heard that for some viruses, if one person catches it, fights it, and passes it on, the next person doesnt get it as bad because the first person's immune system has weakened the virus. i havent heard this idea come up in discussion.

anyone know?

this is different to the herd immunisation, as im not talking about people having had a vaccine.

GradE A bull plop

Sittingpretty · 11-03-2020 11:37am

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

We wouldn't

What’s your secret source update today?

Particularly interested in school closures if you could keep it to that TIA

RandomViewer · 11-03-2020 11:38am

RandomName2 wrote: »

I say 20% as a sop to the screeching 'you are just hysterical' type of posters.

I'd see 20% as a minimum, with a corresponding 20K fatalities here, given current estimates. If 20K fatalities is not acceptable to you, you should be in the camp of acting fast and effectively to try and stamp out the disease.

If we have fatalities at that level there will be blood, , (not a threat)

Stevieluvsye · 11-03-2020 11:38am

2lazytogetup wrote: »

i heard that for some viruses, if one person catches it, fights it, and passes it on, the next person doesnt get it as bad because the first person's immune system has weakened the virus. i havent heard this idea come up in discussion.

anyone know?

this is different to the herd immunisation, as im not talking about people having had a vaccine.

Utter Consternation · 11-03-2020 11:38am

Deleted User wrote: »

My wife is a nurse, I am currently working from home

Plumbers and Gardaí are lower level workers???

So you're saying you're a Garda or plumber?

all about the mane · 11-03-2020 11:39am

On the radio this morning, one of the nurses from CUH that is meant to be in self-isolation spent 3 hours in hairdressers yesterday. And was happy enough to tell hairdresser. If health workers can’t be trusted to do the right thing, what hope do we have.

wakka12 · 11-03-2020 11:39am

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

People have been criticising Luke O’Neill. The one thing that left me dissatisfied from his McWilliams podcast, that I thought he was complacent about was that he didn’t acknowledge that some young, healthy people have died from it. The Chinese whistleblower was a young, otherwise healthy (that I know of) guy and he died from it. That has been at the back of my mind since I heard about it. Does that mean you don’t have to be immunocompromised and/or elderly to die from this?

Well they are still very rare. I think even with seasonal flu some young(ish) healthy people can succumb, under very rare circumstances. Most of the cases of young people dying have been health staff in Wuhan and its thought it may be because they were exposed to such a high viral load.

sanjose1 · 11-03-2020 11:39am

Kilkenny tradfest going ahead here tomorrow, ah sure we will be grand

05eaftqbrs9jlh · 11-03-2020 11:39am

silverharp wrote: »

Most nurses with kids will be married too, presumably their husbands can work from home

Wow can only women be nurses?!

I know it was only a mistake, I'm just messing with ya.

On the point of people not being able to look after their kids, many MANY people will be able to work from home. Of those who can't, family members and neighbours will be able to step in and help. It's an inconvenience but the smaller the communities of people, the better in a situation like this.

Usually my extended family are very close but my grandmother is in a nursing home and only one of my aunts has been visiting her for the last few months, and she's been off work for the last fortnight since the spread has gotten out of control. We know my nana is going to die soon anyway, probably in her sleep as most elderly people do, but we don't want her to die gasping for air in the way this virus kills you. With visitors allowed back into hospitals and nursing homes at the insistence of the HSE yesterday, this is looking to be a much greater risk today than it was yesterday.

Our school has put contingency messages up on their website, so it looks like we're prepared to close from the weekend onwards. Teachers will be responsible for sending work home and parents will be allowed to call teachers for advice and to report on progress.

A text went out to several principals seemingly from DoE this morning saying all schools would disband indefinitely on Friday, but upon enquiry it turned out to be a hoax. That's an extremely annoying setback, especially with so much community transmission here in Cork. You could see the relief in everyone and a huge panic set in again when it turned out to be fake, but everyone has their fingers crossed that sense has to prevail.

Less than half attendance in our special school today with many staff absent, so parents are clearly worried about their vulnerable children and several of my colleagues have said that they are in and out to CUH regularly for treatments and are certain their visits there last week are the cause of their current conditions.

Only 3 cases of community transmission though, nothing to see here.

Spook_ie · 11-03-2020 11:39am

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

That's my point though. We don't seem to have any capacity to get tested.
I'm just saying that in two weeks people will be saying the same thing about returnees from Spain as they do from Italy now.

If you don't use the phone then no you're not going to get tested. Selfish individuals, like panic buyers will **** us all over

RandomName2 · 11-03-2020 11:39am

RandomViewer wrote: »

If the state allows thousands to die so they can continue to collect revenue do you think that will go down well with the people who lose loved ones,

The state is also considering the negative impact of forcing people not to go to school or work. We already have seen people go off on skiing holidays.. skiing holidays.. when it was already clear that doing so would lead to high chance of picking up the disease. We have plenty of people, even here, whining that it doesn't make sense to take proactive measures when there's only a couple of dozen cases.

We also have to be aware that Ireland is a very liberal country and many people care greatly about how Ireland looks. As Pascal O'Donoghue said, halting flights into Ireland might have made us look bad, or, as Simon Coveney said 'Ireland is not a fortress'.

tobefrank321 · 11-03-2020 11:39am

Candamir wrote: »

Not rocket science, but it is a science, and one that you don’t understand and are not qualified in. Seriously, people are experts in this field, do we completely disregard their educated opinion in favour of some crank on the internet?

Your point re schools. How long do you think it takes to ‘set up’ remote schooling? How does that work for primary school pupils? For disadvantaged kids or rural kids who may not have access to the internet.It’s not overnight. What happens to the kids who don’t go to school? What happens to their parents who have to take time off work to mind them? If schools close, crèches and other childcare facilities will likely follow suit. The practical and economic effects of that have to be looked at. That’s not to say I don’t think schools will be closed, it just has to be a considered decision. It’s easy to say shut them down. It’s a lot harder to figure out what happens after, and when do we open them back up. If they close now, they won’t open again until September at the earliest.

So we’re going to call in the army and declare a state of martial law? Is that your best suggestion?

I don’t think you really understand the Irish psyche.

Right - so I was on here a week ago saying flights should have been cancelled to and from northern Italy weeks ago.
But the science experts advising the government said nah tis grand.
Now all our cases are linked directly or indirectly to travel to Italy. 34 cases and growing, more today, tomorrow and the day after.

Whose the genius here?

That's not to mention HSE advice on their website that you didn't need to isolate once you returned from northern Italy, you can continue your normal routine including going to work. You call that expert scientific advice?

The difference here which you fail to understand is I follow and advocate best practice - the Chinese model. Our government follow worst international practice.

You don't have to be a scientific genius to recognise this.

Basic cop on is what is required - badly missing in our government who are clueless.

In summary I advocate following the successful Chinese model. You are still clinging to the failed Italian model which they were forced to abandon because it didn't work. Our government also continue to follow the failed Italian model. We all know how that ended up. Disaster.

mloc123 · 11-03-2020 11:39am

mloc123 wrote: »

10 days later, not 3?

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fits · 11-03-2020 11:39am

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Most nurses marry lower level workers like plumbers, gardaí and manual labour types. Unlikely they can work from home.

Different with female doctors though I'd imagine.

I’m the coming weeks nursing will be more important than plumbing, manual labour and possibly policing.

wakka12 · 11-03-2020 11:40am

2lazytogetup wrote: »

i heard that for some viruses, if one person catches it, fights it, and passes it on, the next person doesnt get it as bad because the first person's immune system has weakened the virus. i havent heard this idea come up in discussion.

anyone know?

this is different to the herd immunisation, as im not talking about people having had a vaccine.

If that were true then the virus would be gradually becoming much much weaker as time goes on

circadian · 11-03-2020 11:40am

2lazytogetup wrote: »

i heard that for some viruses, if one person catches it, fights it, and passes it on, the next person doesnt get it as bad because the first person's immune system has weakened the virus. i havent heard this idea come up in discussion.

anyone know?

this is different to the herd immunisation, as im not talking about people having had a vaccine.

That's not how any of this works.

11-03-2020 11:40am

2lazytogetup wrote: »

i heard that for some viruses, if one person catches it, fights it, and passes it on, the next person doesnt get it as bad because the first person's immune system has weakened the virus. i havent heard this idea come up in discussion.

anyone know?

this is different to the herd immunisation, as im not talking about people having had a vaccine.

This has to be the most misinformed and, frankly, idiotic statement I have seen yet. The smallest google search would have shown this

eeepaulo · 11-03-2020 11:40am

owlbethere wrote: »

If leo and some members of government still go flying for Paddy's Day shamrock giving, it very careless of them, furthering endangering our country and people.

I heard Simon coveney saying he was going to cut short his visits to various countries for Patrick's day. As if he was doing us a favour by coming back sooner.

My reaction was either don't go or go for 2 years.

ibarelycare · 11-03-2020 11:40am

Graces7 wrote: »

Absolutely! Thank you. Each is different and we trust our own advisers .

This comes up frequently; I have had the same response from every GP when I have moved county. NO vaccines in your case. And I trust that. The ramifications in my case - and I am already vaccine damaged - make the vaccine more dangerous than catching flu.

Hence my isolated way of life in a very remote place.

You didn't say "some" people with immune deficiencies couldn't take vaccines. Be careful about spreading misinformation.

ITman88 · 11-03-2020 11:40am

RandomName2 wrote: »

I say 20% as a sop to the screeching 'you are just hysterical' type of posters.

I'd see 20% as a minimum, with a corresponding 20K fatalities here, given current estimates. If 20K fatalities is not acceptable to you, you should be in the camp of acting fast and effectively to try and stamp out the disease.

But running and hiding from the disease won’t kill it, sorry for being a “screeching you are just hysterical “ type of poster, which btw is a great example to use as a definition of hypocrisy!!!

11-03-2020 11:40am

Utter Consternation wrote: »

So you're saying you're a Garda or plumber?

No

dougm1970 · 11-03-2020 11:41am

whats happening in russia?....are they not reporting cases or testing ?.....or are they really not getting hit as hard....i see countries further away from equator like greenland not getting hit, but russia has hard hit countries like sweden and finland beside it....mongolia the same with low figures and china and south korea beside it.....and then theres turkeys numbers.
its a curiosity.

closifer · 11-03-2020 11:41am

Beanybabog wrote:

Anyone who assumes people can work from home when the schools are closed obviously doesnâ€™t have small kids. I have remote access and work part time and the most I can do is a couple of emails from home if the kids are here

This is very true and the reason why we are quite strict about working from home in our workplace and childminding. There would be trouble tbh if someone was on a conference call and heard kids in the background. I have small kids too and you just can't be working while minding them. Yes you can maybe take a call and respond to a few emails but that's what I do as standard in the evenings and outside working hours anyway. I couldn't put down a day of work with kids around and when I have had to take days off to mind kids I have been upfront with my employer and taken parental leave rather than pretend I can work from home so there is a lot to consider...

all about the mane · 11-03-2020 11:42am

dougm1970 wrote: »

whats happening in russia?....are they not reporting cases or testing ?.....or are they really not getting hit as hard....i see countries further away from equator like greenland not getting hit, but russia has hard hit countries like sweden and finland beside it....mongolia the same with low figures and china and south korea beside it.....and then theres turkeys numbers.
its a curiosity.

Are they testing?

Graces7 · 11-03-2020 11:42am

spookwoman wrote: »

You said

You may have been told not to get vaccinated but that does not mean everyone else with autoimmune issues cannot.

Doctors and medical people advise everyone to get vaccinated for the Flu and like every medication SOME people will not be able to. Please do not make sweeping statements about people with autoimmune issues.

From CDC Site
People who SHOULD NOT get the flu shot:

Children younger than 6 months of age are too young to get a flu shot.
People with severe, life-threatening allergies to flu vaccine or any ingredient in the vaccine. This might include gelatin, antibiotics, or other ingredients. See Special Considerations Regarding Egg Allergy for more information about egg allergies and flu vaccine.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/whoshouldvax.htm

I have amended my post.

However your response was still unacceptable; you went too far the other way.
Far too far.
Over and out from me Bye

Beasty · 11-03-2020 11:43am

IBTL

facehugger99 · 11-03-2020 11:43am

2lazytogetup wrote: »

i heard that for some viruses, if one person catches it, fights it, and passes it on, the next person doesnt get it as bad because the first person's immune system has weakened the virus. i havent heard this idea come up in discussion.

True - also if you're in a house with three or more people, two of them are able to gang up on the virus at the one time which substantially reduces both the infection period and the severity.

scamalert · 11-03-2020 11:43am

anyone have any stats from when influenza hit and how many deaths it had in say same period as corona, people aww here at few deaths, when we had 100 confirmed from flu alone - easily treatable and preventable, but reality is those at risk can still die,

and while some think brits taking no action and accounting for deaths, id say its fare, as eventually most will get it, but judging by the symptoms its only severe cases and small % that have highest risk.

as someone made comparison to road deaths, cancer etc - in many cases it can be stopped or prevented but reality is it still happens on daily basis, and coronavirus would need more then few thousand deaths to compare whats going ww daily

namloc1980 · 11-03-2020 11:44am

dougm1970 wrote: »

whats happening in russia?....are they not reporting cases or testing ?.....or are they really not getting hit as hard....i see countries further away from equator like greenland not getting hit, but russia has hard hit countries like sweden and finland beside it....mongolia the same with low figures and china and south korea beside it.....and then theres turkeys numbers.
its a curiosity.

Not reporting/not testing. Viruses don't stop at country borders.

McMurphy · 11-03-2020 11:44am

Fast moving thread, so apologies if already asked.

Is it a case that if you contract this - and recover - you can still recatch it - ie no immunisation built up to it?

Spook_ie · 11-03-2020 11:44am

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

No, it's realistic. People don't self isolate when they have hiv, flu, hepatitis, scabies, impetago and a whole list of illnesses.

Some people also can't just not go to work or raise their kids.

It's a virus, it will spread. The vast majority will not die just as the vast majority do not die from the common flu but some do.

Christ people are getting so carried away. The dead have not risen!

No but as a taxi driver I get really pissed off at people getting into the confined space of my taxi with a cold, cough, flu symptom whatever because they were stupid enough to go to the pub or wherever and expect to get home as normal. Covid or not if you're not well stay the **** off work until you're better and definitely stay the **** out of taxis etc.

11-03-2020 11:45am

scamalert wrote: »

anyone have any stats from when influenza hit and how many deaths it had in say same period as corona, people aww here at few deaths, when we had 100 confirmed from flu alone - easily treatable and preventable, but reality is those at risk can still die,

and while some think brits taking no action and accounting for deaths, id say its fare, as eventually most will get it, but judging by the symptoms its only severe cases and small % that have highest risk.

as someone made comparison to road deaths, cancer etc - in many cases it can be stopped or prevented but reality is it still happens on daily basis, and coronavirus would need more then few thousand deaths to compare whats going ww daily

<0.1% death rate for flu
1 - 3% death rate for COVID19

10 to 30 times more fatal and only not spreading because people are being MUCH more careful than during flu season

SeaBreezes · 11-03-2020 11:46am

I find this website a good resource for finding the latest medical studies coming from China and translating it into laymans terms.
Odd seeing Apple, Cork on their newsfeed.

The site is a little alarmist, and has been hinting that we are not getting the full story for a while now, but unfortunately has been ahead of the curve with the 'bad' news..

This caught my attention:
"Meanwhile, despite about 53 documented reported deaths of patients who had recovered in China coupled with more than about 612 documented cases of reinfections of recovered patents, there has been no further reports or studies about the effects of residual or dormant viral loads in those that have ’recovered’. Two such studies were immediately removed by orders of the Chinese authorities immediately after they were published on the Chinese open platform: http://www.chinaxiv.org/home.htm last week. There was also an unconfirmed report by provincial health authorities in Zhejiang saying that about 4,724 recovered patients have been hospitalized nationwide for other developed health conditions.

Many healthcare professionals and researchers elsewhere would like to know about the health and medical conditions of the more than 61,481 ‘recovered’ cases in China."

https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-more-emerging-chinese-research-studies-shows-that-the-sars-cov-2-coronavirus-also-attacks-the-kidneys,-pancreas-and-liver

RandomViewer · 11-03-2020 11:46am

sanjose1 wrote: »

Kilkenny tradfest going ahead here tomorrow, ah sure we will be grand

Anyone who attends needs to take a hard look at themselves

completedit · 11-03-2020 11:46am

What about a policy of staggered isolation. Can’t shut down everything or quarantine everyone but maybe do it on a local basis. Would keep business activity going and allow HSE to deal with cases in a more streamlined fashion, rather than a bottleneck.

Never gonna happen and would probably achieve nothing but cake to my mind there.

11-03-2020 11:46am

McMurphy wrote: »

Fast moving thread, so apologies if already asked.

Is it a case that if you contract this - and recover - you can still recatch it - ie no immunisation built up to it?

Possible reinfection, like any disease.

Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP