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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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  • #9692
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,385 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ITman88 wrote: »
    This is the most realistic approach, experts on this thread are quoting the Wuhan approach of total lockdown, the same posters who are saying China aren’t telling us the truth, and what’s to say as soon as the lockdown ends the cases won’t escalate once again?!

    Isolating people is not going to kill the virus. The virus will survive.

    We cannot lock down indefinitely, in spite of what the medical experts on here are saying.




    People are going to get it, nothing will stop this.
    What the infection control methods are for is the stop everyone getting it at once and completely swamping the health services.


    We need to prevent deaths because we had 4 people sick but only one ventilator etc


  • #9693
    Beanybabog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭Beanybabog


    ixoy wrote: »
    Why would you presume their other halfs can work from home?

    Anyone who assumes people can work from home when the schools are closed obviously doesn’t have small kids. I have remote access and work part time and the most I can do is a couple of emails from home if the kids are here


  • #9694
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    The Rook wrote: »
    Depends on the illness and the severity of said illness (and the individual).
    I am on strong immunosuppressants due to a long term illness and year on year both my GP and my consultants say that I most definitely should get the flu vaccine.

    Having said that it might not be the same for everyone so one can't say that what applies to Peter will apply to Paul.

    Absolutely! Thank you. Each is different and we trust our own advisers .

    This comes up frequently; I have had the same response from every GP when I have moved county. NO vaccines in your case. And I trust that. The ramifications in my case - and I am already vaccine damaged - make the vaccine more dangerous than catching flu.

    Hence my isolated way of life in a very remote place.


  • #9695
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    touts wrote: »
    They couldn't close the Dail bar. It's the only thing that brings some of the TDs to the building on a Tuesday night.

    Yeah if they did that we’d be under immediate lockdown worse than Wuhan until the situation allows to reopen it ;-)


  • #9696
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Close the schools. They can make the time back in the summer. Not enough school days as it is but the children are the priority. Teachers not so much


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  • #9697
    ITman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    Most nurses marry lower level workers like plumbers, gardaí and manual labour types. Unlikely they can work from home.

    Different with female doctors though I'd imagine.

    You posts always make me smile!


  • #9698
    2lazytogetup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭2lazytogetup


    i heard that for some viruses, if one person catches it, fights it, and passes it on, the next person doesnt get it as bad because the first person's immune system has weakened the virus. i havent heard this idea come up in discussion.

    anyone know?

    this is different to the herd immunisation, as im not talking about people having had a vaccine.


  • #9699
    Stationmaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 970 ✭✭✭Stationmaster


    Naggdefy wrote: »
    You can travel from pharmacy to pharmacy though. In my provincial town there are 6 in walking distance. Some people do that.

    And in smaller towns/villages you just get them as separate transactions there and then.


  • #9700
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,385 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    Most nurses marry lower level workers like plumbers, gardaí and manual labour types. Unlikely they can work from home.

    Different with female doctors though I'd imagine.




    My wife is a nurse, I am currently working from home

    Plumbers and Gardaí are lower level workers???


  • #9701
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Naggdefy wrote: »
    Anyone hear of Mr. Fegelein, the multiple thread starter.

    I'd love to here his thoughts..

    He's just left school, so is 0.00000000000000000000001% chance of dying - he doesn't give a sh1t - and fair enough, I wouldn't have either when I was 18...


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  • #9702
    ax530
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 492 ✭✭ax530


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    We are coming into a long bank holiday weekend, most workplaces are closing Monday so people are heading from the cities to holiday homes in the country, will we see a huge increase in the spread?
    Maybe if those with country holiday homes for a long weekend are the same people who went to Italy to ski for mid term so could already be isolated !

    On a serious note the spread can be reduced by hand washing, social distancing, not touching face. So the more people who practice this the better - those going to the country homes from city and those who are not going anywhere.

    I plan on staying at home as much as possible to 'do my bit' to avoid the spread of this virus. Guess someone from house will have to go to shops but over all no social or entertainment outings.

    If schools close people will have issues with childcare but hopefully others in the community can help out. I'd offer some friends to my house during the day. I will work from home in evenigns when kids sleep as working from home and flexible working are options for me and understand nurses and other health care professionals will need help to allow them function best to help treat sick people.


  • #9703
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    Most nurses marry lower level workers like plumbers, gardaí and manual labour types. Unlikely they can work from home.

    Different with female doctors though I'd imagine.
    Hilarious!! Not true but why would you assume that?


  • #9704
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    What am I going to call my GP for? I had a very mild flu like I've had before. I didn't develop it after an incubation period. I literally for it the day I arrived.

    Is everyone who gets flu supposed to call their GP?

    Standard flu has an incubation period, as well as CoVid19. You should at least ring the help line if you develop any flu like symptoms.


  • #9705
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Stevieluvsye wrote: »
    It's getting very tetchy in here today

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  • #9706
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    2lazytogetup wrote: »
    i heard that for some viruses, if one person catches it, fights it, and passes it on, the next person doesnt get it as bad because the first person's immune system has weakened the virus. i havent heard this idea come up in discussion.

    anyone know?

    this is different to the herd immunisation, as im not talking about people having had a vaccine.

    GradE A bull plop


  • #9707
    Sittingpretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,872 ✭✭✭Sittingpretty


    Stevieluvsye wrote: »
    We wouldn't

    What’s your secret source update today? ;)

    Particularly interested in school closures if you could keep it to that TIA :D


  • #9708
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    RandomName2 wrote: »
    I say 20% as a sop to the screeching 'you are just hysterical' type of posters.

    I'd see 20% as a minimum, with a corresponding 20K fatalities here, given current estimates. If 20K fatalities is not acceptable to you, you should be in the camp of acting fast and effectively to try and stamp out the disease.

    If we have fatalities at that level there will be blood, , (not a threat)


  • #9709
    Stevieluvsye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    2lazytogetup wrote: »
    i heard that for some viruses, if one person catches it, fights it, and passes it on, the next person doesnt get it as bad because the first person's immune system has weakened the virus. i havent heard this idea come up in discussion.

    anyone know?

    this is different to the herd immunisation, as im not talking about people having had a vaccine.

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  • #9710
    Utter Consternation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Utter Consternation


    Deleted User wrote: »
    My wife is a nurse, I am currently working from home

    Plumbers and Gardaí are lower level workers???

    So you're saying you're a Garda or plumber?


  • #9711
    all about the mane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    On the radio this morning, one of the nurses from CUH that is meant to be in self-isolation spent 3 hours in hairdressers yesterday. And was happy enough to tell hairdresser. If health workers can’t be trusted to do the right thing, what hope do we have.


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  • #9712
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    People have been criticising Luke O’Neill. The one thing that left me dissatisfied from his McWilliams podcast, that I thought he was complacent about was that he didn’t acknowledge that some young, healthy people have died from it. The Chinese whistleblower was a young, otherwise healthy (that I know of) guy and he died from it. That has been at the back of my mind since I heard about it. Does that mean you don’t have to be immunocompromised and/or elderly to die from this?

    Well they are still very rare. I think even with seasonal flu some young(ish) healthy people can succumb, under very rare circumstances. Most of the cases of young people dying have been health staff in Wuhan and its thought it may be because they were exposed to such a high viral load.


  • #9713
    sanjose1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭sanjose1


    Kilkenny tradfest going ahead here tomorrow, ah sure we will be grand


  • #9714
    05eaftqbrs9jlh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭05eaftqbrs9jlh


    silverharp wrote: »
    Most nurses with kids will be married too, presumably their husbands can work from home
    Wow can only women be nurses?!

    I know it was only a mistake, I'm just messing with ya.

    On the point of people not being able to look after their kids, many MANY people will be able to work from home. Of those who can't, family members and neighbours will be able to step in and help. It's an inconvenience but the smaller the communities of people, the better in a situation like this.

    Usually my extended family are very close but my grandmother is in a nursing home and only one of my aunts has been visiting her for the last few months, and she's been off work for the last fortnight since the spread has gotten out of control. We know my nana is going to die soon anyway, probably in her sleep as most elderly people do, but we don't want her to die gasping for air in the way this virus kills you. With visitors allowed back into hospitals and nursing homes at the insistence of the HSE yesterday, this is looking to be a much greater risk today than it was yesterday.

    Our school has put contingency messages up on their website, so it looks like we're prepared to close from the weekend onwards. Teachers will be responsible for sending work home and parents will be allowed to call teachers for advice and to report on progress.

    A text went out to several principals seemingly from DoE this morning saying all schools would disband indefinitely on Friday, but upon enquiry it turned out to be a hoax. That's an extremely annoying setback, especially with so much community transmission here in Cork. You could see the relief in everyone and a huge panic set in again when it turned out to be fake, but everyone has their fingers crossed that sense has to prevail.

    Less than half attendance in our special school today with many staff absent, so parents are clearly worried about their vulnerable children and several of my colleagues have said that they are in and out to CUH regularly for treatments and are certain their visits there last week are the cause of their current conditions.

    Only 3 cases of community transmission though, nothing to see here.


  • #9715
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    That's my point though. We don't seem to have any capacity to get tested.
    I'm just saying that in two weeks people will be saying the same thing about returnees from Spain as they do from Italy now.

    If you don't use the phone then no you're not going to get tested. Selfish individuals, like panic buyers will **** us all over


  • #9716
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Candamir wrote: »
    Not rocket science, but it is a science, and one that you don’t understand and are not qualified in. Seriously, people are experts in this field, do we completely disregard their educated opinion in favour of some crank on the internet?

    Your point re schools. How long do you think it takes to ‘set up’ remote schooling? How does that work for primary school pupils? For disadvantaged kids or rural kids who may not have access to the internet.It’s not overnight. What happens to the kids who don’t go to school? What happens to their parents who have to take time off work to mind them? If schools close, crèches and other childcare facilities will likely follow suit. The practical and economic effects of that have to be looked at. That’s not to say I don’t think schools will be closed, it just has to be a considered decision. It’s easy to say shut them down. It’s a lot harder to figure out what happens after, and when do we open them back up. If they close now, they won’t open again until September at the earliest.





    So we’re going to call in the army and declare a state of martial law? Is that your best suggestion?

    I don’t think you really understand the Irish psyche.

    Right - so I was on here a week ago saying flights should have been cancelled to and from northern Italy weeks ago.
    But the science experts advising the government said nah tis grand.
    Now all our cases are linked directly or indirectly to travel to Italy. 34 cases and growing, more today, tomorrow and the day after.

    Whose the genius here?

    That's not to mention HSE advice on their website that you didn't need to isolate once you returned from northern Italy, you can continue your normal routine including going to work. You call that expert scientific advice?

    The difference here which you fail to understand is I follow and advocate best practice - the Chinese model. Our government follow worst international practice.

    You don't have to be a scientific genius to recognise this.

    Basic cop on is what is required - badly missing in our government who are clueless.

    In summary I advocate following the successful Chinese model. You are still clinging to the failed Italian model which they were forced to abandon because it didn't work. Our government also continue to follow the failed Italian model. We all know how that ended up. Disaster.


  • #9717
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    If the state allows thousands to die so they can continue to collect revenue do you think that will go down well with the people who lose loved ones,

    The state is also considering the negative impact of forcing people not to go to school or work. We already have seen people go off on skiing holidays.. skiing holidays.. when it was already clear that doing so would lead to high chance of picking up the disease. We have plenty of people, even here, whining that it doesn't make sense to take proactive measures when there's only a couple of dozen cases.

    We also have to be aware that Ireland is a very liberal country and many people care greatly about how Ireland looks. As Pascal O'Donoghue said, halting flights into Ireland might have made us look bad, or, as Simon Coveney said 'Ireland is not a fortress'.


  • #9718
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    mloc123 wrote: »
    10 days later, not 3?

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  • #9719
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,043 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    Most nurses marry lower level workers like plumbers, gardaí and manual labour types. Unlikely they can work from home.

    Different with female doctors though I'd imagine.

    I’m the coming weeks nursing will be more important than plumbing, manual labour and possibly policing.


  • #9720
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    2lazytogetup wrote: »
    i heard that for some viruses, if one person catches it, fights it, and passes it on, the next person doesnt get it as bad because the first person's immune system has weakened the virus. i havent heard this idea come up in discussion.

    anyone know?

    this is different to the herd immunisation, as im not talking about people having had a vaccine.

    If that were true then the virus would be gradually becoming much much weaker as time goes on


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  • #9721
    circadian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,436 ✭✭✭circadian


    2lazytogetup wrote: »
    i heard that for some viruses, if one person catches it, fights it, and passes it on, the next person doesnt get it as bad because the first person's immune system has weakened the virus. i havent heard this idea come up in discussion.

    anyone know?

    this is different to the herd immunisation, as im not talking about people having had a vaccine.

    That's not how any of this works.


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