How long before Irish reunification?

downcow wrote: »

Quite a few inaccuracies in that post.
Firstly I was/am a supporter of gfa (with all its problems)
When did the British (I assume you mean government) say they would go with what the Irish people (not sure what you mean by this) elect to do. If this was down to the Irish people alone, or even all the people who live on this island, then you’d probably have your UI in the morning.

When they agreed that 'it is for the people of Ireland alone to decide their future'.
That was when they indicated that they see you as 'Irish' downcow.

Then again if that policy was replicated around the world ie take a land mass and dicide it’s future by majority rule then there would be a fair few wars would break out me thinks. The brits are too smart for that. ��

The 'war' over that is OVER downcow and the future has been mapped out.

Sinbad_NI wrote:

You seem intent to keep the two communities apart, I get it, that's SF party line.
I just don't see how you can bring a country and his divided people together like that.

You accept that people are different, you accept that both have different pasts and you respect them remembering if they respect you when they do it.

downcow wrote: »

Let’s accept your argument that Carson was a terrorist. The very valid point being made was the naming of gaa grounds after terrorists
Can you imagine the outcry if NI football called their ground the ‘Lord Carson stadium’ and said it was welcoming to nationalists. Some people on here just can’t hold up the mirror to themselves or their beloved gaa Eh Francie

See my answer above. The symbols of colonisation and domination are all ove the north and people have little issue with them.
People have to be allowed the space to remember their dead. If a GAA club did it just to annoy or troll the other side I would have an issue. Just like I would have an issue with a march that was trolling/annoying.
Carson, btw, raised a 'private army' and threatened both the British and Irish.
He most definitely introduced the gun back into Irish politics. You cannot deny that fact.

downcow wrote: »

Here we go again. Francie living in last century

We know you want to persist in denying what goes on around your annual celebration.

bubblypop wrote: »

No, people need to be more tolerant
So what if someone's parade goes down the main road of your estate?
Big deal.
Just let them march, then it's over.

I used to live near Croke Park, matches & concerts impinged on my day to day living regularly. I just got on with it.

No issue at all with respectful behaviour.

Granadino wrote: »

they’ll stop hating fenians and taigs? So the bonfires will be there to celebrate what ? What will the point of the marches be?
If it’s to celebrate being Protestant , as they claim, fair enough. If it’s to celebrate being British, they won’t be British anymore so what to do? Hang new flegs?

Citizen's are free to celebrate or protest how they see fit as long as it doesn't unduly impinge on others. That's how republics work.

That it makes no real sense isn't of our concern. But again we are jumping the gun.

downcow wrote: »

Bonnie. The parades were going long before Cooke park was built.
And maybe you could dive us some more detail on a few of these parades that you claim are going through nationalist estates. Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

The OO have NOT given up on trying to make those parades happen, by hook or by crook.

In other words, your claims about change are dubious in the extreme.

Castlekeeper wrote: »

Being from the southwest of of Ireland and with no connections in the north, I'm a bit removed from issues discussed here but I like to read the different viewpoints here. I'm genuinely curious a's to why Irish language signs would be so offensive and threatening. Isn't almost every placename made up of Irish words anyway, just spelt in phonetic English (no more than many English placenames) ?

Is it the association of the language with the local republican movement?
But to put that aside, why shouldn't such an intrinsic part of the local social and historical culture be used to add a sense of meaning and connection to many placenames?
Hope this doesn't offend!

I appreciate the genuine question.
Unfortunately the Irish language has developed into a win lose issue.
Sf and ira were very clear they were using it as part of the struggle.
It is often used in sectarian graffiti aimed at Protestants
One difficulty is that they are going up in majority nationalist areas and it is marking territory. You now know what sort of area you are in by the road signs - exactly the same as flags.

NewRed2 wrote: »

But we all have to share the consequences of what happens...

You seem to think you're being reasonable, you're not. The consequences of partition are ongoing - what you're essentially saying is 'It's regretful what partition has done to people, particularly those who have to live with it day-in-day-out, but I'm okay so don't bother me with your issues'.

This state, in its current form, was created with a vision of a 32 County republic, you'll see plenty of evidence of this in the constitution, the national flag, the national emblems, music, everywhere if you care to look, these things are not ours to appropriate as they belong to the Irish nation and certainly not those who are against seeing out the vision.

BonnieSituation wrote: »

But those fadas* don't follow you into your housing estate beating lambegs and singing songs about how they are your betters etc.



*There's some homework for you

Give us simply one example this century of anything near what you are describing This is why there is such a prejudiced view of my community by many in south.

Runaways wrote: »

Are wee country


Jaysis. It’s a province dc. Not a country. A province of Ireland by the way.

NI is absolutely not a province. It is as much a country as Scotland is.

Granadino wrote: »

they’ll stop hating fenians and taigs? So the bonfires will be there to celebrate what ? What will the point of the marches be?
If it’s to celebrate being Protestant , as they claim, fair enough. If it’s to celebrate being British, they won’t be British anymore so what to do? Hang new flegs?

You are just so away from understanding our community.

downcow wrote: »

NI is absolutely not a province. It is as much a country as Scotland is.

Not a hope. Countries have a national anthem and a flag and the countries of Britain have a national people - the Scots, the Welsh, and the English.

Unionists like you are a people without a country. What was once 'our wee colony' is no longer yours, border or not.

downcow wrote: »

NI is absolutely not a province. It is as much a country as Scotland is.

More self delusion.

You aren't even a province and are administered by an Agreement between two sovereign countries.

RobMc59 wrote: »

Ireland was one nation at that time,within the UK.

So what? We didn't want to be within the UK. London created a sectarian ethno-statelet for the likes of Downcow there and it's been a failure.

I would welcome DC as member of the Irish nation in a United Ireland despite his efforts to pretend that Ireland is a far away place he knows nothing about, despite living here for centuries.

RobMc59 wrote: »

Correct me if I`m wrong Tom but did`nt he make that speech before NI was created in 1921 so Ireland was one nation at that time,within the UK.

You’ve caught Tom there and blown his argument that ni can’t be a nation because it is in uk. Lol