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Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

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  • #512
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Drumpot wrote: »
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/the-worst-case-scenario-for-coronavirus-dr-jonathan-quick-q-and-a-laura-spinney

    In 2018 global health expert Jonathan D Quick, of Duke University in North Carolina, published a book titled The End of Epidemics: The Looming Threat to Humanity and How to Stop It. In it he prescribed measures by which the world could protect itself against devastating disease outbreaks of the likes of the 1918 flu, which killed millions and set humanity back decades. He is the former chair of the Global Health Council and a long-term collaborator of the World Health Organization (WHO).

    Bit of Q&A with an expert on epidemics, interesting read

    Excellent article....thank you for posting it Drumpot.

    "As for trust, it’s critical to disseminate dispassionate, evidence-based information, and not to try to mislead the population. If you do, they will stop cooperating."

    Are you listening HSE ?


  • #513
    Mwengwe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    blade1 wrote: »
    Screenshot-20200301-103605.jpg

    Ideally I'd need something that references Coronavirus so that I look less like a germophobe, going more for 'are you an idiot or do you not read the news'...


  • #514
    [Deleted User]
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    Morning all.

    I was listening to the interview this morning on virgin media. The presenter who was talking to the doctor said something along the lines of “since the case was confirmed yesterday afternoon”.

    I thought the news broke just before 9pm?


  • #515
    1641
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Details are being held back to deliberately encourage speculation and rumours on social media. This speculation (and non-existent 'panic' which is supposedly causing) will be recorded and subsequently used to justify a crackdown on social media and the free exchange of information over the internet.

    In the near future I expect sites like boards.ie will not be allowed to operate unless they employ 'fact-checkers' (censors).


    Is there a conspiracy theory college or where did you get your PhD?


  • #516
    SafeSurfer
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    Coins and bank notes are potential spreaders of the virus too. Having loose coins in a pocket next to a wet hanky and then handing over those coins to someone who in turn touches their face, other coins, other customers hands........

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • #517
    the butcher
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    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    Morning all.

    I was listening to the interview this morning on virgin media. The presenter who was talking to the doctor said something along the lines of “since the case was confirmed yesterday afternoon”.

    I thought the news broke just before 9pm?

    They wait until they are ready to announce the information, it doesn't come flying hot off the pan.


  • #518
    [Deleted User]
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    the butcher wrote: »
    They wait until they are ready to announce the information, it doesn't come flying hot off the pan.

    But how did the presenter know when it was confirmed?


  • #519
    Sierra Oscar
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    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    Morning all.

    I was listening to the interview this morning on virgin media. The presenter who was talking to the doctor said something along the lines of “since the case was confirmed yesterday afternoon”.

    I thought the news broke just before 9pm?

    The test was confirmed yesterday afternoon, then the HSE traced close contacts and the information was made public at 9pm.

    When they say confirmed they mean when the test results came through.


  • #520
    pc7
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    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    But how did the presenter know when it was confirmed?

    It would have been in the press release given by the HSE


  • #521
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Ah ok. Thanks you lot :)


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  • #522
    smelly sock
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    You'd imagine Paddys day parades will be postponed.


  • #523
    otnomart
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    Paris hospital has too many suspect cases that is not testing and sending home
    http://www.leparisien.fr/societe/coronavirus-on-a-tellement-de-cas-suspects-qu-on-ne-peut-plus-depister-tout-le-monde-29-02-2020-8269836.php#xtor=AD-1481423553

    First case in Belgium today - coming from France
    https://www.rtbf.be/info/societe/detail_deuxieme-cas-teste-positif-au-coronavirus-en-belgique-suivez-la-conference-de-presse-du-gouvernement?id=10444815

    A case in Spain coming from Belgium
    https://www.noticiasdenavarra.com/actualidad/sociedad/2020/02/29/paciente-grave-habia-viajado-pais/1027049.html


  • #524
    tillyfilly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 567 ✭✭✭tillyfilly


    In fairness, to those who think we aren't been told everything there is so much detail you will never be told everything such as the colour of the patients socks which some might deem very important whereas others wouldnt


  • #525
    Fireball81
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    Looks the Olympics in Tokyo might be cancelled too - IOC still to decide.

    Re the stockpiling of hand sanitizer etc, if it's all sold out which it looks like it might be, what's wrong with good old soap and hot water?

    Heard (no idea if its true or not) that hand sanitizer won't kill this virus anyway?


  • #526
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,999 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    It’s hardly “highly contagious”? It isn’t airborne, would that not be required to be defined as highly contagious? If it was highly contagious then I’d imagine the whole plane with the NI case would be infected?

    It is highly contagious and it is airborne. On the cruise Ship Diamond Princess, a single infected person resulted in over 634 other being infected. You have to compare this to a norovirus.


  • #527
    the butcher
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    tillyfilly wrote: »
    In fairness, to those who think we aren't been told everything there is so much detail you will never be told everything such as the colour of the patients socks which some might deem very important whereas others wouldnt

    Again we have someone polarising the point to the extent of mentioning socks :/

    People are only asking for more transparent detail that others with low case numbers have been doing(UK for example).

    To not give information out leads to what we are now seeing, false information, rumours and spread of more panic. Which leads to further distrust of media and government officials ...not helpful during an outbreak.


  • #528
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Fireball81 wrote: »
    Looks the Olympics in Tokyo might be cancelled too - IOC still to decide.

    Re the stockpiling of hand sanitizer etc, if it's all sold out which it looks like it might be, what's wrong with good old soap and hot water?

    Heard (no idea of its true or not) that hand sanitizer won't kill this virus anyway?

    Nothing wrong with soap and water but if you don't have access to water. On a train after touching a stinky handrail they can be handy


  • #529
    Wrex
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    Whats the thoughts on cases of reinfection of coronavirus?

    That for me would be a troubling development


  • #530
    tillyfilly
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    cnocbui wrote: »
    It is highly contagious and it is airborne. On the cruise Ship Diamond Princess, a single infected person resulted in over 634 other being infected. You have to compare this to a norovirus.

    its not "airborne"


  • #531
    saabsaab
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    GM228 wrote: »
    The average seasonal flu mortality rate is slightly less at about 0.01%, whilst Coronavirus is currently at around 2%.

    To put that into perspective it is over 10 times more deadly going by data available, however a recent study in the New England Journal of Medicine is suggesting it could fall below 1% when for example you factor in undetected cases where people recover.

    Whilst it is more deadly, remember there has been worse, SARS or MERS for example which had 10% and 36% mortality rates.


    Yes, but not as highly infectious.


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  • #532
    Bob24
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    smelly sock wrote: »
    You'd imagine Paddys day parades will be postponed.

    I guess it will depend on how the situation evolves in the next week, but agree it is very likely at this stage that it will be at least scaled down and possibly cancelled.

    Don’t know if there is such concept as postponing it though, would a Paddy’s day parade in August make sense?


  • #533
    cnocbui
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    Fireball81 wrote: »
    Looks the Olympics in Tokyo might be cancelled too - IOC still to decide.

    Re the stockpiling of hand sanitizer etc, if it's all sold out which it looks like it might be, what's wrong with good old soap and hot water?

    Heard (no idea if its true or not) that hand sanitizer won't kill this virus anyway?

    Hand sanitizer works, that's why you will find it at hospitals in quantity and washing your hands is as effective but it's hard to do when out and about and without access to a sink.


  • #534
    1641
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    tillyfilly wrote: »
    In fairness, to those who think we aren't been told everything there is so much detail you will never be told everything such as the colour of the patients socks which some might deem very important whereas others wouldnt


    Yes, but what about really important information? Like what handles these people touched, what toilet they sat on, who cleaned these and how, are these people being monitored, What have they touched since, what about their friends and neighbours?


    Why is this information being withheld?


  • #535
    Away With The Fairies
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    My workplace and the college I go to has introduced more hand sanitizer dispensers around the buildings. Is it time that every business should have these dispensers put in place similar to how we were expected to dip our shoes for the foot and mouth disease?


  • #536
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    1641 wrote: »
    Yes, but what about really important information? Like what handles these people touched, what toilet they sat on, who cleaned these and how, are these people being monitored, What have they touched since, what about their friends and neighbours?


    Why is this information being withheld?

    That's not really what anyone is saying though. Strawman


  • #537
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,999 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    tillyfilly wrote: »
    its not "airborne"

    Provide a recent link showing that.


  • #538
    tillyfilly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 567 ✭✭✭tillyfilly


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Provide a recent link showing that.

    this


  • #539
    the butcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭the butcher


    Dr John Campbell in one of his recent videos subtly said that this is the first wave.

    He could be trying to link this with what happened during the Spanish flu. The first wave was the initially bird to human transmission phase. The second wave mutation was the worst and hit young people the worst. After more reading I think the worse case scenario is no longer this JUST becoming part of our cold and flu season but the risk of a mutation coupled in that event.


  • #540
    Ger Roe
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    tillyfilly wrote: »
    In fairness, to those who think we aren't been told everything there is so much detail you will never be told everything such as the colour of the patients socks which some might deem very important whereas others wouldnt

    Sorry... you shot down your argument with the glib socks reference. People are only looking for enough info to reduce their risk of catching the virus.

    The current expert advice is to stay calm and give us a shout when you have symptoms. Most people would prefer to avoid as much risk as possible in the first place and by not knowing details of infection locations, transport methods used etc, they are being denied the option of taking some personal control. If I am given enough info to know I wasn't on the same plane/bus/train in the same area etc, I can carry on with some of the normality that we are being encouraged to undertake. If not.... everywhere and everything is a potential risk.

    This results in panic and fear, the very conditions that the current approach is apparently trying to avoid - but is failing to do so.


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  • #541
    1641
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    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    That's not really what anyone is saying though. Strawman


    It is essentially is, though. There will never be enough "information" to satisfy those who are conspiratorially inclined, nor the chronically anxious.


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