Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

Signore Fancy Pants

Just back from Lidl getting a few extras for the freezer.

Not much rice/pasta/tin tomato but otherwise well stocked.

Saw 2 guys frantically filling 2 trollies with various household cleaners, tissue and black bags. They were getting a few strange looks.

Graces7

cnocbui wrote: »

No need, everyones probably bitten them so short by now there is no 'under'.

Not us old ones as biting nails is not easy with false teeth;)

Lucy8080

I like the old "I bet you didn't know that" thread on after hours. So apologies if the following has been posted there or here. I don't always keep up.

To those who say it's just the flu (something we know a bit about).

The Spanish Flu is estimated to have had a mortality rate of between 500,000 and 650,000 in the U.S.A. ( That's over a century ago).

U.S.A. deaths in W.W.1.- 53,402. (I'd imagine these figures are for combatants,not the public).

U.S.A. deaths in W.W.2-291,557.

U.S.A. deaths in Korea-33,739.

U.S.A. deaths in Vietnam- 47,434.

I would never have thought that all those wars came in with less deaths.

Graces7

sweet_trip wrote: »

I hate Tesco's tbh. Big union jacks on half the food packaging they sell.

Imagine having that at home in your press?

Ah yes please! Like being back home

blade1

sweet_trip wrote: »

I hate Tesco's tbh. Big union jacks on half the food packaging they sell.

Imagine having that at home in your press?

Yeah like you don't see any Irish flags on Irish stuff abroad :rolleyes:

cnocbui

MarkY91 wrote: »

My girlfriend is a nurse and she basically laughs at people panicking and said it's just a flu..

At least 1716 health care workers have been infected in China and at least 7 have died. No worries, just a flu.

EDit

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Interesting comparison of hospitalization for COVID19 and flu by age.

https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1233940433081896960

Having read the NEJM article cited, I’m not sure where they are getting those numbers from. Even so, that graph is pretty disingenuous as it could be interpreted to suggest that over 50% of people aged 0-49 would be hospitalised with c-19. However, this was a study of patients with c-19, the majority of whom were already in hospital. The authors even say, when discussing the study limitations, that “we no doubt missed patients who were asymptomatic or had mild cases and who were treated at home, so our study cohort may represent the more severe end of Covid-19.”

laurah591

1st Deaths in Australia and Thailand today.
Another 11 in Iran, 3 in SK & 1 in Japan and it's not even Mid-Day

Closed cases are now more than active .... but how long will thjs be as significant clusters form outside China.

noodler

cnocbui wrote: »

At least 1716 health care workers have been infected in China and at least 7 have died. No worries, just a flu.

In fairness, and I don't want to belittle the loss of life, we have around 100,000 healthcare professionals here.

China must have around 10/15 times that.

Point of scale should be made.

Mr.Crinklewood

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Just back from Lidl getting a few extras for the freezer.

Not much rice/pasta/tin tomato but otherwise well stocked.

Saw 2 guys frantically filling 2 trollies with various household cleaners, tissue and black bags. They were getting a few strange looks.

Probably murdering a scaremonger.

the butcher

gabeeg wrote: »

Very scary thread on Iran

https://twitter.com/aliostad/status/1233668766124400640?s=19

That is sobering stuff to say the least...

bilston

The death rate in Iran has dropped to 5.5% as they confirm more cases. It seems.likely that the issue there was that cases just weren't being confirmed hence the really high mortality rate. That said it is still considerably higher than anywhere else.

Germany confirming 38 new cases today. One to watch over the next few days.

gozunda

Mr.S wrote: »

I would be almost certain they will put a ban in place for large scale events like the Swiss / French and other countries. if they where quick to stop the Rugby match, they'll have to follow suit.

Patricks Day festival will be a pitty if cancelled, but I guess for the best.

Presuming this kicks off here. There will he no second election called

expectationlost

there are being vague about when this patient presented?

celt262

expectationlost wrote: »

there are being vague about when this patient presented?

There very vague about the whole thing it's like they think it will go away if it's not talked about.

khalessi

noodler wrote: »

In fairness, and I don't want to belittle the loss of life, we have around 100,000 healthcare professionals here.

China must have around 10/15 times that.

Point of scale should be made.

In fairness speaking as a nurse, no nurse or other medical staff should be dying regardless of the scale. You certainly dont see frontline staff dropping dead when treating flu.

Tootsie_1

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Just back from Lidl getting a few extras for the freezer.

Not much rice/pasta/tin tomato but otherwise well stocked.

Saw 2 guys frantically filling 2 trollies with various household cleaners, tissue and black bags. They were getting a few strange looks.

Just in the door from supervalue no panic buying practically empty plenty of everything, will head to Aldi later might be a different situation then

Lucy8080

Deleted User wrote: »

That Mr. Brown, I knew it was him all along.

I'm just posting a fact, back then Mr. brown would be "the pariah",hopefully today we have compassion mixed with common sense. That requires open information and level headed communities - helping each other.

Mwengwe

the butcher wrote: »

That is sobering stuff to say the least...

Very grim. Something just doesn't seem right about all this though. Why does it seem so virulent in some countries compared to others? I don't think differing levels of containment can fully explain it, especially as most countries are doing feck all to contain. I live in the UK and if I didn't follow the news I'd have no idea anything's amiss.

Flippyfloppy

blade1 wrote: »

And don't touch other people's elbows. Or hands.

blade1

Is it too late to buy a freezer or are they all gone as well?

Tootsie_1

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

And don't touch other people's elbows. Or hands.

Guy just full on coughed all over the place in the supermarket how hard is it to cough into your elbow or tissue corona virus or no corona virus its just disgusting

jackboy

If St Patrick’s day parades will be cancelled then obviously all rugby and GAA matches will need to be cancelled for an unknown length of time. Or will certain events just be cancelled because it is easier politically.

What I am saying is that canceling events around Europe is being done in a nonsense way. It’s about being seen to take action rather than trying to take appropriate action.

khalessi

blade1 wrote: »

Is it too late to buy a freezer or are they all gone as well?

Few empty ones in Tesco they might lend ya

Drumpot

I have to say that WHO and even our own HSE have been saying for awhile that this is the time to PREPARE.

Regardless of what you think is probably going to happen, right now it is irresponsible to presume this is going to turn out as you think. Nobody knows. This is not a hysterical statement, it is a fact. Nobody knows how bad it will get here or how people are going to react if the numbers start going up.

The shops not being cleared now is great, this is your time to put some provisions aside. You can decide what is enough but this is like watching a car crash in really slow motion. Cases are popping up slowly one day and fast another. If we get a significant bunch of cases during the week, shops will start being emptied, why would anybody wait for that?

Get yourself ready. Educate yourself and your vulnerable family/friends. If one person has it in Ireland , then from what we know of the virus it’s most likely that many others have it and have just not popped up yet. We have been taking flights from Italy all week. Many other countries have outbreaks directly linked to this country, so it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that more cases are here.

What exactly have people got agaisnt putting some provisions aside? Choose foods and goods you will use regardless of the outcome. That’s a cost neutral excercise that’s just prudent planning. What are you going to do if your doctor surgery or local pharmacy has to close down for 4-6 weeks? Quarantine could lead to these sort of timeframes (as my pharmacist confirmed when we discussed it last week).

I think Panic also manifests itself as angry denial in some people. Stop calling people hysterical because you don’t think this is going to get serious. People who think they know how this is going to play out have absolutely no idea what’s gonna happen, anymore then any of us trying to reduce the potential risk.

The stock markets have crashed because it looks like the world is going to be shut down for a few weeks. Why do I say that? Because that’s what’s happening, this isn’t some conspiracy theory , countries are in crisis level alerts because they know if it takes hold of a country, no healthcare system is built to deal with a fast spreading virus like this. The HSE bought over a million masks and have been increasing their resources to Deal with this for weeks. Why do you think that is? It’s because they are preparing for this epidemic, you need to prepare and not wait for the government to spell it out for you. Educate yourself on what’s happening because I would say there are so many variables and knock on issues that most of us can’t even imagine.

Forget what you think you know and Get PREPARED. This is what all authorities have been saying for days and weeks, get PREPARED. Preparing is not panicking, it’s taking steps to make sure that you will have choices if things do get progressively worse in Ireland. You don’t know how this is going to play out, anybody who says with complete authority that they can say exactly what’s going to happen is guessing and has absolutely no way of saying such a statement without delusions of grandeur on their knowledge capacity to make such a statement.

jam_mac_jam

Always find Lidl has low stock on a Sunday anyway so maybe people are reading into it a bit more than they should

drunkmonkey

khalessi wrote: »

In fairness speaking as a nurse, no nurse or other medical staff should be dying regardless of the scale. You certainly dont see frontline staff dropping dead when treating flu.

We have seen them die in China though, this isn't the flu. Even the hospital director in Wuhan died.

scamalert

khalessi wrote: »

In fairness speaking as a nurse, no nurse or other medical staff should be dying regardless of the scale. You certainly dont see frontline staff dropping dead when treating flu.

yep as no cop or firefighter should die, but those on the front lines are usually first to go.


i even struggle to pull out percentage rate for deaths in china given population of 1.3bill to 3k deaths, few mention infection rate or few that lost their lives, yet we have 7 dead over weekend in car crashes alone, hell knows how many died in last two months from simple flu alone.


but if going by actual stats this virus is only 1/10 of flu by spread and risk, and numbers simply dont add up given how populated china is, 3k deaths well into 2 months, isnt news worthy to cause panic.

if we had live reports on flu deaths that would seem more like pandemic, yet its easier to push fear and doom on the ones that easily fall for that crap.

Drumpot

bilston wrote: »

The death rate in Iran has dropped to 5.5% as they confirm more cases. It seems.likely that the issue there was that cases just weren't being confirmed hence the really high mortality rate. That said it is still considerably higher than anywhere else.

Germany confirming 38 new cases today. One to watch over the next few days.

Watch Dr Bruce , he confirmed that at the start of an outbreak deaths and serious cases are high for numerous reasons:

- healthcare systems are not familiar with the virus and only learning to treat it
- people/population are equally not familiar with virus and so don’t know how to react correctly (precautions) and when to goto get help (leave it late and end up critical)
- at the start healthcare systems are over run so people can’t get the help that would of saved them therefore higher death rate at the start

This is why they want the virus to spread slower, it gives everybody time to learn more and our healthcare system time to deal with the increased numbers in a more controllable manner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF6AZv8P3i4