Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

Ger Roe

simplyeric wrote: »

Seven the number of people who have died on Irish roads since Friday.Should cars be taken off roads?Just a thought.

No... it's just another example of an important issue affecting the country, that is being badly dealt with by the authorities.

jam_mac_jam

Rufeo wrote: »

But surely it's no worse than the winter flu.

Are you joking?

Mwengwe

ChikiChiki wrote: »

One of, If not the most stupid analogies I've ever set my eyes on.

If it's not necessarily interpreted as an analogy it is something worth mentioning - if anything else killed as much people as driving we'd be doing everything to eradicate it. Not going to go into (lack of) public transport policies because it's off-topic but it's always good to think about these things in perspective.

Ninthlife

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Details are being held back to deliberately encourage speculation and rumours on social media. This speculation (and non-existent 'panic' which is supposedly causing) will be recorded and subsequently used to justify a crackdown on social media and the free exchange of information over the internet.

In the near future I expect sites like boards.ie will not be allowed to operate unless they employ 'fact-checkers' (censors).

Interesting theory

khalessi

Mwengwe wrote: »

2 of my housemates keep coughing into the air, not even a token attempt to cover their mouth.

Is there some kind of 'coughing for dummies' poster that I can print and stick to a door?

Here ya go
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/influenza/seasonalinfluenza/infectioncontroladvice/respiratoryhygieneposters/

Professor Moriarty

Rufeo wrote: »

But surely it's no worse than the winter flu.

Apart from its current estimated mortality rate (2.3% versus 0.05%) and its higher rate of infection (Ro 2.2 versus 1.3), you might be on to something

Bob24

grindle wrote: »

We're a LONG way from this being a serious issue, Swine flu was much worse and had none of this soccial media hootenanny.

This thing could be serious, but the amount of tards on here buying canned goods makes me think boards is spergalicious.

The point is that the analogy with car accidents makes absolutely no sense.

It is pretty much established at this stage that once a country has a few dozen cases of the virus, then the infection/death figures start to double each day at least to a point (China might or might not have it under control with their extreme measures). Comparing the reaction to these casualties with the reaction to something pretty static and predictable such are car accident related deaths makes no sense. A fast growing and unclear/unpredictable issue is obviously not to be tackled in the same way as an issue which has been known for decades and which while still existing is not growing and considered to be under control.

DrumSteve

grindle wrote: »

We're a LONG way from this being a serious issue, Swine flu was much worse and had none of this soccial media hootenanny.

This thing could be serious, but the amount of tards on here buying canned goods makes me think boards is spergalicious.

I swore I was going to give up reading this ****ing thread.

This is a serious issue.

People are taking it seriously.

If it's not taken seriously it will get worse.

We are not all dead men walking, the vast majority of us will be fine.

But the most vulnerable members of our society are at serious risk of this disease and they are who we need to protect.

We cannot just brush this one off as a bad flu, we have vaccines against the flu. We don't have a vaccine or recognised treatment for this.

Yes, active case numbers are dropping.
Yes, closed case numbers are increasing.

But every statistic is a person who has a chance to live and if we, as a society, take this seriously, we can give them the best chance possible.

givyjoe

grindle wrote: »

We're a LONG way from this being a serious issue, Swine flu was much worse and had none of this soccial media hootenanny.

This thing could be serious, but the amount of tards on here buying canned goods makes me think boards is spergalicious.

We really aren't. It seems as though you may want to do a bit more reading on the issue. Up to 14 day incubation period, and it's highly contagious. It's extremely unlikely that the two cases on the island haven't already passed this on to someone.

Swine flu WAS NOT more serious than this. It had a very small mortality rate and more importantly no where near the number of critical cases. Considering the above post, I really don't think you're in a position to be questioning the intelligence of other posters.

jam_mac_jam

I wonder how many times it will need to explained to people that no, it's not just a flu or a cold.

jam_mac_jam

grindle wrote: »

We're a LONG way from this being a serious issue, Swine flu was much worse and had none of this soccial media hootenanny.

This thing could be serious, but the amount of tards on here buying canned goods makes me think boards is spergalicious.

Tards? Are you five?

Mwengwe

khalessi wrote: »

Here ya go
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/influenza/seasonalinfluenza/infectioncontroladvice/respiratoryhygieneposters/

Perfect! Think I'm going to do this. So infuriating, even when there's no plague going around.

Van.Bosch

givyjoe wrote: »

We really aren't. It seems as though you may want to do a bit more reading on the issue. Up to 14 day incubation period, and it's highly contagious. It's extremely unlikely that the two cases on the island haven't already passed this on to someone.

Swine flu WAS NOT more serious than this. It had a very small mortality rate and more importantly no where near the number of critical cases. Considering the above post, I really don't think you're in a position to be questioning the intelligence of other posters.

It’s hardly “highly contagious”? It isn’t airborne, would that not be required to be defined as highly contagious? If it was highly contagious then I’d imagine the whole plane with the NI case would be infected?

tillyfilly

On a plus side, the stock market has remained static for yesterday and today

GooglePlus

The people who think it's just a bad flu will have some rude awakening when they're knocked on their arse with it.

jam_mac_jam

tillyfilly wrote: »

On a plus side, the stock market has remained static for yesterday and today

Its closed or is that the joke...

Quantum Erasure

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I wonder how many TIMES it will need to explained to people that no, it's not just a flu or a cold.

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Tards? Are you five?

...

Downlinz

grindle wrote: »

We're a LONG way from this being a serious issue, Swine flu was much worse and had none of this soccial media hootenanny.

This thing could be serious, but the amount of tards on here buying canned goods makes me think boards is spergalicious.

It's an evidence based reaction considering what has happened in South Korea and Italy in the space of 2 weeks, that's not a long way away. It's not unrealistic that at some point in March we may all be advised to stay indoors for a couple of weeks and you'll be glad to have prepared in advance.

Also stocking up now gives supermarkets time to restock so everyone can get what they need for when the moment comes rather than the carnage from a mad dash after an outbreak has already happened.

Professor Moriarty

GooglePlus wrote: »

The people who think it's just a bad flu will have some rude awakening when they're knocked on their arse with it.

Or they're attending their grandparent's funeral.

khalessi

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I wonder how many times it will need to explained to people that no, it's not just a flu or a cold.

I find a lot.

In work, they link it to the flu as it is what they understand best in line with the spreadability and contagious level. Ive tried explaining the difference but they don't get it as they aren't medical.

So as long as they understand how to protect themselves via handwashing, disposing of tissues after sneezing or sneezing into elbows I've done what I can. I will keep explaining it though it conversation occurs.

I am also hoping to teach proper handwashing if allowed next week.

Drumpot

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/the-worst-case-scenario-for-coronavirus-dr-jonathan-quick-q-and-a-laura-spinney

In 2018 global health expert Jonathan D Quick, of Duke University in North Carolina, published a book titled The End of Epidemics: The Looming Threat to Humanity and How to Stop It. In it he prescribed measures by which the world could protect itself against devastating disease outbreaks of the likes of the 1918 flu, which killed millions and set humanity back decades. He is the former chair of the Global Health Council and a long-term collaborator of the World Health Organization (WHO).

Bit of Q&A with an expert on epidemics, interesting read

blade1

Quantum Erasure

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Its closed or is that the joke...

Oh, everythings a joke. unless its not, in which case its deadly serious

machiavellianme

grindle wrote: »

We're a LONG way from this being a serious issue, Swine flu was much worse and had none of this soccial media hootenanny.

This thing could be serious, but the amount of tards on here buying canned goods makes me think boards is spergalicious.

If you get it and have to self isolate, you'll be wishing you did too.
No need for the name calling. Having a contingency plan with a few cans is not a bad thing for the vulnerable. If the supply chain gets clogged up for a week or two, you don't want to add hunger to the mix.

Downlinz

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I wonder how many times it will need to explained to people that no, it's not just a flu or a cold.

It seems a bit like weather events, Irish people always have this disposition to downplay anything major happening. We joke about the "shur, it'll be grand" mindset but a lot of people in this country literally live like that.

Bob24

Downlinz wrote: »

Also stocking up now gives supermarkets time to restock so everyone can get what they need for when the moment comes rather than the carnage from a mad dash after an outbreak has already happened.

Exactly - people who are buying now (in reasonable quantities) will have actually given everyone else a favour in case there is a significant outbreak in the country, as they are spreading the load on supermarket supply chains and reducing the potential panic if things go bad.

And if there is no outbreak, it was just an advance purchase and they will eat their rice or tin of beans at some point anyway, so there is no waste and no one gets hurt. I don’t see any reason to call them names (again assuming they are buying in reasonable quantities and not going around shops to buy all the rice they can with no limit!)

blade1

machiavellianme wrote: »

If you get it and have to self isolate, you'll be wishing you did too.
No need for the name calling. Having a contingency plan with a few cans is not a bad thing for the vulnerable. If the supply chain gets clogged up for a week or two, you don't want to add hunger to the mix.

I highly doubt that poster will self isolate unless bedridden.

GM228

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Apart from its current estimated mortality rate (2.3% versus 0.05%) and its higher rate of infection (Ro 2.2 versus 1.3), you might be on to something

The average seasonal flu mortality rate is slightly less at about 0.01%, whilst Coronavirus is currently at around 2%.

To put that into perspective it is over 10 times more deadly going by data available, however a recent study in the New England Journal of Medicine is suggesting it could fall below 1% when for example you factor in undetected cases where people recover.

Whilst it is more deadly, remember there has been worse, SARS or MERS for example which had 10% and 36% mortality rates.

SwordsRunner

My tip: don’t just buy any old soap or handwash. If you have to, spend big to get something that smells nice. You’ll be more inclined to wash your hands more often and for longer!

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Details are being held back to deliberately encourage speculation and rumours on social media. This speculation (and non-existent 'panic' which is supposedly causing) will be recorded and subsequently used to justify a crackdown on social media and the free exchange of information over the internet.

In the near future I expect sites like boards.ie will not be allowed to operate unless they employ 'fact-checkers' (censors).

Interesting theory, and quite plausible. In defence of the government, it's very tricky dealing with something like this. There's no "completely right" approach, especially at this early stage. Stay quiet and you've social media theories and rumours going wild; communicate in a "worst case scenario" approach like Australia, and you'll probably cause over-the-top panic. I would assume they're just waiting to see if (when, in my opinion) it will kick off.

That said, I think all flights to/from infected parts of Italy, Milan, China etc should of been stopped earlier. We can do without Paddy's Day Parades for one year. People will still come, but if we put a dampener on the celebrations, we'll avoid more cases. We obviously can't stop the virus, but we can certainly slow it down until a vaccine arrives, or at the very least, have a better hold on what we're dealing with.