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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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    #9812
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭ [Deleted User]


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    What made you pick the little picture below you're username just asking?:D

    God. Can't remember. I was only a wee gossum back then.


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    #9813
    silverharp
    Registered Users Posts: 17,840 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ah 4/10. You've bought in a few extras just in case and your new mantra has become "better safe than sorry!"

    The scale is infallible

    Its all about the illusion of control :pac:

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #9814
    ardinn
    Registered Users Posts: 4,246 ✭✭✭ardinn


    Deleted User wrote: »
    That nobody has left their house for a month in Wuhan. That China is deliberately hiding the truth death figures. That the chinese have 20 (or whatever) amount of crematoriums running 24/7. It's all bollocks designed to titillate small minded people.

    To be fair

    People (suspected infected) have been welded into their homes - its unverified, but way to many videos of it happening for it to not be true - of all the things unverified - thats the one I believe.

    The chinese were counting pneumonia deaths in most cases early on, they were only counting cases of Confirmed, live, patients and at that would still list the clinical cause of death as pneumonia or organ failure. They dont confirm the dead, of which there are 100s or 1000s still in their homes. They have and still are lying about the severity.

    Wuhan has 2 crematoriums - they brought in up to 10 more mobile incinerators to deal with backlog about 3 weeks ago, who knows how many since - so your wrong, that info is widely available if you look for it. Actually all the above is.
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    #9815
    Doctor Jimbob
    Registered Users Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    Yeah, I know how you think..










    I know EXACTLY what you think, its just the flu, bro
    .. and you only worry if younger people are affected, older people? Doesnt worry you so much..


    Do me a favour and add me to your ignore list please?
    Your good opinion isn't one I care about...

    I've asked this before but what's with the hostility being displayed to anyone making comparisons to flu? I understand it's a different virus but in terms of transmission methods, symptoms, and mortality, the flu seems like a reasonable enough comparison at the moment.


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    #9816
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    Deleted User wrote: »
    God. Can't remember. I was only a wee gossum back then.

    Joking aside it's not the end of the world but it is a bit more serious than the flu.
    A few extra bags of rice and pasta enough bog roll sure you will use it either way no harm done.


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    #9817
    Ficheall
    Registered Users Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It wasn't drastically reduced
    I would definitely say it was :confused:
    You don't think suspending all public transport, including buses, railways, flights, and ferry services, shutting major highways, non-essential companies including manufacturing plants, and schools was drastic?


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    #9818
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Deleted User wrote:
    The majority of people seeming to be recovering quite well from the infection. It seems to me that in a normal person, this strain is flu is less severe than the seasonal.flu.

    That explains why countries around the world are locking down entire cities compromising their own economy, just a flue ..only less severe


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    #9819
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    That explains why countries around the world are locking down entire cities compromising their own economy, just a flue ..only less severe

    Ah sure now they don't know how serious the deaths are until they examine all the bodies.


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    #9820
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    Ah sure now they don't know how serious the deaths are until they examine all the bodies.


    we have to wait until 8 billions people are tested before the data can be considered reliable :D


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    #9821
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    tara73 wrote: »
    do you think you are funny and hilarious or have attention issues spreading your BS in this situation or why are you doing it?

    really annoying, this is the third or so post of you with such nonsense and no back up. why are the mods not reacting to this and nobody else is calling this guy out on this??

    No different than people posting youtube "facts" such as how the virus has mutated in iran and the death rate is now 20% and completely unverified videos from Twitter, some of which are obviously fake or completely unrelated to this virus. Hardly anyone is questioning those. I think perhaps that's the point the poster is trying to make.


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    #9822
    froog
    Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    I've asked this before but what's with the hostility being displayed to anyone making comparisons to flu? I understand it's a different virus but in terms of transmission methods, symptoms, and mortality, the flu seems like a reasonable enough comparison at the moment.

    the mortality is not the same at all, "regular" seasonal flu strains have mortality rates around 0.05-0.1 % versus 2% (estimated) of COVID-19. that's a pretty huge difference.


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    #9823
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    froog wrote: »
    the mortality is not the same at all, "regular" seasonal flu strains have mortality rates around 0.05-0.1 % versus 2% (estimated) of COVID-19. that's a pretty huge difference.


    we seriously need to stop throwing around that figure, it's non sense


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    #9824
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Roger roger roger Defcon II to Defcon IV

    THE CHICKEN IS IN THE POT!!!

    THE CHICKEN IS IN THE POT!!!!


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    #9825
    froog
    Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    we seriously need to stop throwing around that figure, it's non sense

    it's the best estimate the experts have come up with based on available data. it would be far more dangerous to pretend it has a similar mortality rate to seasonal flu - i.e. do nothing to control its spread.


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    #9826
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Would you people please stop going on about the mortality rate!


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    #9827
    tara73
    Registered Users Posts: 2,341 ✭✭✭tara73


    I wonder nobody mentions goggles here, it's all about masks or hand sanitizer. if we're in a state to need masks everybody going outside would also need protection for the eyes...
    ***See run on goggles now***:D


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    #9828
    Ficheall
    Registered Users Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Cody montana wrote: »
    Would you people please stop going on about the mortality rate!
    Exactly! It's only one of the most important things about the virus, aside from its spreadability.


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    #9829
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    froog wrote: »
    the mortality is not the same at all, "regular" seasonal flu strains have mortality rates around 0.05-0.1 % versus 2% (estimated) of COVID-19. that's a pretty huge difference.



    froog wrote: »
    it's the best estimate the experts have come up with based on available data. it would be far more dangerous to pretend it has a similar mortality rate to seasonal flu - i.e. do nothing to control its spread.

    The WHO said today that the mortality rate outside of China is less than 1%. Its a few pages back, cant remember the exact number.


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    #9830
    froog
    Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    The WHO said today that the mortality rate outside of China is less than 1%. Its a few pages back, cant remember the exact number.

    yes i read that earlier too. let's hope it that's low.


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    #9831
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    I will be posting from my island of the northern coast of Iceland later ....

    No one is there ... just me.

    I have a "Fishing for dummies" manual.
    I think a good 2 year spell out here should see this through.


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    #9832
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Exactly! It's only one of the most important things about the virus, aside from its spreadability.

    How many different figures have been quoted at this stage?


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    #9833
    Doctor Jimbob
    Registered Users Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    The WHO said today that the mortality rate outside of China is less than 1%. Its a few pages back, cant remember the exact number.

    Please don't use unreliable sources like the WHO. We can't be sure of the numbers until they've been verified by a legit source like that lad on youtube whose mate in Iran said it's bad.


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    #9834
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    froog wrote: »
    it's the best estimate the experts have come up with based on available data. it would be far more dangerous to pretend it has a similar mortality rate to seasonal flu - i.e. do nothing to control its spread.


    It is not the best estimate, and it's not even up to date
    The best estimate will only look at closed cases (death or recovery) and the outcome to this calculation is a different figure


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    #9835
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    That explains why countries around the world are locking down entire cities compromising their own economy, just a flue ..only less severe

    Hmmm. That was based on information at the time. I still reckon that it's unlikely for fatalities to be above 1%. What would you reckon deaths from the flu would be if there was no flu vaccine?


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    #9836
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Cody montana wrote: »
    How many different figures have been quoted at this stage?

    At the moment 2 methods have been used. They both are based solely on actual data. There is no unreported cases included in the stats below

    Flawed method
    Deaths / Total cases = 3% (this is trending up)

    Accurate method
    Deaths / Closed cases = 9% (this is trending down)


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    #9837
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Hmmm. That was based on information at the time. I still reckon that it's unlikely for fatalities to be above 1%.


    at what time? the data is released daily
    Italy is implementing these measures today as we speak
    ...bit I love how you pull that 1% out of a hat


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    #9838
    BloodBath
    Registered Users Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    ardinn wrote: »
    To be fair

    People (suspected infected) have been welded into their homes - its unverified, but way to many videos of it happening for it to not be true - of all the things unverified - thats the one I believe.

    The chinese were counting pneumonia deaths in most cases early on, they were only counting cases of Confirmed, live, patients and at that would still list the clinical cause of death as pneumonia or organ failure. They dont confirm the dead, of which there are 100s or 1000s still in their homes. They have and still are lying about the severity.

    Wuhan has 2 crematoriums - they brought in up to 10 more mobile incinerators to deal with backlog about 3 weeks ago, who knows how many since - so your wrong, that info is widely available if you look for it. Actually all the above is.

    That's a discussion for the conspiracy theory forum in fairness.

    It has no place here. This thread get's worse by the day.


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    #9839
    BloodBath
    Registered Users Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    At the moment 2 methods have been used. They both are based solely on actual data. There is no unreported cases included in the stats below

    Flawed method
    Deaths / Total cases = 3% (this is trending up)

    Accurate method
    Deaths / Closed cases = 9% (this is trending down)

    It's not bloody accurate. How many times does it need to be pointed out to you.


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    #9840
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    at what time? the data is released daily
    Italy is implementing these measures today as we speak
    ...bit I love how you pull that 1% out of a hat

    It's on up-to-date. It's actually expected to be below 0.8%

    Here you go, mate.

    https://www.uptodate.com/contents/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19


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    #9841
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users Posts: 10,799 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's on up-to-date. It's actually expected to be below 0.8%

    Is that minus Hubei in China


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