What have we come to

Jinglejangle69 · 23-02-2020 10:47PM

smurgen wrote: »

God damn homeless people dying on mass and making the government look bad!!!

Dying on mass?

How many died this week from the flu in Ireland?

More than 4.

God dam people dying from the flu making the government look bad.

smurgen · 23-02-2020 10:47PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Who said its grand?

Not one country has solved people sleeping on the streets.

Lets be realistic here, if not there will never be a solution.

There has been homeless people for 100s of years in every country.

Expecting Eoghan Murphy to solve it all is absolute pie in the sky nonsense.

Especially when he's busy signing off on legislation to ban microbeads.

Foxtrol · 23-02-2020 11:04PM

Cupatae wrote: »

Those questions have everything to do with it, you just nit pick at there actions as it suits your own agenda,

What current campaign are you referring too? i believe there has been peace in the north for quiet sometime now. You are bouncing thru timelines aswell to suit yourself...

Oh please war crimes...spare us! the same people that want to enforce such things break those laws on the regular, its rich talking about war crimes and the british... i suppose you think the famine was a natural disaster aswell?

At the root of it all though who caused the IRA? that lead to the conflict that lead to the deaths of those innocent people? As far as i can see thats where the blame should be squarely placed the blood is on there hands.

Do you pay any attention to the news outside of a certain bubble?

CIRA tried to set a bomb a few weeks ago:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/dissident-bomb-was-intended-to-blow-up-on-board-brexit-day-ferry-1.4163813

NIRA threatening SF members

https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2020/0217/1115942-sinn-fein-new-ira-threat/

Going by your horrible twisting of reality I'm sure these are justified as well (or is the twisting only to excuse SFIRA?)

ScallionAyter · 23-02-2020 11:18PM

olestoepoke wrote: »

It was just this type of ill informed nonsense that lost fg the election. Homelessness was traditionally a problem with drug addicts and alcoholics etc but is much more than that in Ireland today. But hey jump straight to heroin addicts is it makes you feel better.

Smurgen is the poster who 'jumped' straight to a claim that four homeless people died in the previous eight days.

Smurgen, what did they die from? Where are you getting that statistic from? Olestoepoke reckons the four people who died are not the traditional homeless types....

Cupatae · 23-02-2020 11:38PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Do you pay any attention to the news outside of a certain bubble?

CIRA tried to set a bomb a few weeks ago:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/dissident-bomb-was-intended-to-blow-up-on-board-brexit-day-ferry-1.4163813

NIRA threatening SF members

https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2020/0217/1115942-sinn-fein-new-ira-threat/

Going by your horrible twisting of reality I'm sure these are justified as well (or is the twisting only to excuse SFIRA?)

Ah go way lad, you are delusional if everyone was like you we d still be under the British boot. You are clutching at straws now, you even contradict yourself with the "IRA attacking SF" that you posted.

Tony EH · 24-02-2020 07:11AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Homelessness is people on the streets, not people been put up in hotels free of charge waiting for a free house.

Currently there is approx 150 homeless as in on the streets in Dublin.

The lowest in Europe for a capital.

Homelessness is "without fixed abode".

Field east · 24-02-2020 08:29AM

sameoldname wrote: »

No! How many times!? Homeless means they don't own a home or rent a home. It does not mean they are out on the street! These people have places they can stay, they choose to sleep rough. I'm not blaming them for making that choice or the choices that led them to the situation they are in. But I'm not going to have people act like SF are going to be able to prevent people dying while sleeping rough unless they plan to take away their liberties. Do they plan to take away their liberties?

Well, it has the means to do so. The rough sleeper would be given two choices . The ‘hard brexit ‘option where the the stepped down section of SF would be called into action or the ‘soft brexit ‘ option where the ‘free state bastards/ up the RA’ section of SF would be given the task of moving said target. After a while when all is stood down they probably would be back on the canal banks again

Field east · 24-02-2020 08:35AM

Cupatae wrote: »

I love this "The lowest in Europe for a capital" or for other things "The 2nd highest in the EU"

As if it makes it all grand lol

When it suits us we do use examples of the way other countries manage issues and quote figures that Ireland should be achieving . Eoin o Broin uses the example of how Austria , I think, has tackled the affordable/ social housing sector. So stop the equivalent of cherry picking and be a bit more balanced

FrancieBrady · 24-02-2020 08:38AM

Field east wrote: »

When it suits us we do use examples of the way other countries manage issues and quote figures that Ireland should be achieving . Eoin o Broin uses the example of how Austria , I think, has tackled the affordable/ social housing sector. So stop the equivalent of cherry picking and be a bit more balanced

Using examples of how we might improve is slightly different to using examples to deflect from how we have failed though. The first being an ambition the second being an excuse.

Brendan Bendar · 24-02-2020 09:08AM

Field east wrote: »

When it suits us we do use examples of the way other countries manage issues and quote figures that Ireland should be achieving . Eoin o Broin uses the example of how Austria , I think, has tackled the affordable/ social housing sector. So stop the equivalent of cherry picking and be a bit more balanced

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Using examples of how we might improve is slightly different to using examples to deflect from how we have failed though. The first being an ambition the second being an excuse.

I wonder do they have almost €40 million owed in rent in Vienna.

Hopefully Eoin will tell us.

Field east · 24-02-2020 09:27AM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I wonder do they have almost €40 million owed in rent in Vienna.

Hopefully Eoin will tell us.

If other countries are a better place to live, based on the examples picked / cherry picked - be it in relation to health, education, accmodation, social welfare , transport, etc etc, etc, etc, - then why is there not a mass exodus from Ireland to these countries . Look at the exodus from Africanand other countries , where English is not their first language, into Ireland. I wonder why they pick Ireland.?

So it is somewhat disingenuous to pick an aspect of how a state operates its business without looking at the totally of the ‘business’. Eg mention the total tax rates in both states

blanch152 · 24-02-2020 11:09AM

smurgen wrote: »

God damn homeless people dying on mass and making the government look bad!!!

We have been through the statistics before, and the analysis shows that the mortality rate among homeless people is less than the mortality rate among those in a home.

blanch152 · 24-02-2020 11:13AM

Cupatae wrote: »

Happens when you ve FF and FG using murders as a stick to attack SF. About the only time those lot give a **** about those murders.

You will find that over the years I have constantly raised the issue of SF/IRA atrocities outside of elections. It attracts a lot of criticism from the usual Sinn Fein social media elements but these issues are not just raised at elections.

James Brown · 24-02-2020 01:10PM

Doctor Who featured Ireland last night. I think it's the first time. Thanks Sinn Fein!

smurgen · 24-02-2020 01:11PM

blanch152 wrote: »

We have been through the statistics before, and the analysis shows that the mortality rate among homeless people is less than the mortality rate among those in a home.

No I haven't.links please?

James Brown · 24-02-2020 02:04PM

Can anyone point out an SD or SF policy where the public gave them a mandate towards criminality as featured in their manifestos?

James Brown · 24-02-2020 02:13PM

quokula wrote: »

When the electorate vote for flag waving nationalist lying charlatan populists who promise the moon without a lick of a plan to deliver it then, yes, they got it wrong, as much as it would be political suicide for an actual politician to claim as much.

Brexit was wrong. Trump was wrong. Salvini was wrong. SF would be wrong.

However the Irish electorate didn’t actually vote for SF, over 75% of Irish people knew better than that, so most of the electorate are just fine, as much as some people seem to like to ignore.

How do you think decent people feel seeing Fianna Fail getting back in? With a history of rotating between FF and FG, to come out now and tell the public they got it wrong in trying to move away is not credible.

Now you're saying they didn't. Look the rise for SF is the big news, but they didn't bring it over the top. So we'll see. However, it's a sign FF and FG need buck themselves up, but neither seem willing to do so. Rather than revisiting their attitude towards the tax payer they are intent on attacking SF, which is working out well for SF so far.
Personally I'd happily take four more years of FG if they changed a few things. I don't believe they will, so they need go and Leo need wipe his nose and go off on his gap year or what ever because he's doing FG damage and the country, with his nasty bitter little digs.

blanch152 · 24-02-2020 02:17PM

smurgen wrote: »

No I haven't.links please?

It was in one of the homeless threads, you can search through my posts or the threads, whichever you prefer.

blanch152 · 24-02-2020 02:18PM

Bowie wrote: »

Can anyone point out a SF policy where the public gave them a mandate towards criminality as featured in their manifestos?

They have never needed a mandate to engage in criminality. They engaged in criminality for decades in the North without any mandate.

More recently, when they referred on the abuser of Paudie McGahon to the IRA, they engaged in it in the South.

James Brown · 24-02-2020 02:21PM

blanch152 wrote: »

It was in one of the homeless threads, you can search through my posts or the threads, whichever you prefer.

Cool. That's were I believe you'll find your link, which I quoted regarding most new builds being build to rent

Cupatae · 24-02-2020 02:22PM

Bowie wrote: »

How do you think decent people feel seeing Fianna Fail getting back in? With a history of rotating between FF and FG, to come out now and tell the public they got it wrong in trying to move away is not credible.

Now you're saying they didn't. Look the rise for SF is the big news, but they didn't bring it over the top. So we'll see. However, it's a sign FF and FG need buck themselves up, but neither seem willing to do so. Rather than revisiting their attitude towards the tax payer they are intent on attacking SF, which is working out well for SF so far.
Personally I'd happily take four more years of FG if they changed a few things. I don't believe they will, so they need go and Leo need wipe his nose and go off on his gap year or what ever because he's doing FG damage and the country, with his nasty bitter little digs.

These self proclaimed "intelligent upper class", that support FF and FG seem to think anyone that votes for SF, is a "tracksuit wearing scumbag", that is also trying to vote back in the troubles, murders...and in general the Apocalypse depending on who you listen to.

The sheer notion that normal people voted for them in the hope for change from FF and FG usually leads to them bawling and screaming about all of the above in an attempt to discredit SF and anyone that supports them as much as possible.

***Disclaimer*** I didnt vote for SF, just calling it as i see it.

James Brown · 24-02-2020 02:37PM

blanch152 wrote: »

They have never needed a mandate to engage in criminality. They engaged in criminality for decades in the North without any mandate.

More recently, when they referred on the abuser of Paudie McGahon to the IRA, they engaged in it in the South.

When you are fighting the 'government' that tends to be the case alright.

Sadly these things are all too common. The state turned a blind eye to the church for generations. Criminality is rife too, with the former assistant of Ceann Comhairle Seán Ó Fearghaí done for defrauding a housing association, the Ceann Comhairle himself got a spot of bother for writing a letter on behalf of a child abuser and another FF TD, Brendan Kenneally knew his cousin had abused children but did not report it to the Garda.
All horrible things. Not to be dismissed or ignored.
None of this has anything to do with Michaeal Martin, or the broader intent of Fianna Fail I assume you would agree.

James Brown · 24-02-2020 02:41PM

Cupatae wrote: »

These self proclaimed "intelligent upper class", that support FF and FG seem to think anyone that votes for SF, is a "tracksuit wearing scumbag", that is also trying to vote back in the troubles, murders...and in general the Apocalypse depending on who you listen to.

The sheer notion that normal people voted for them in the hope for change from FF and FG usually leads to them bawling and screaming about all of the above in an attempt to discredit SF and anyone that supports them as much as possible.

***Disclaimer*** I didnt vote for SF, just calling it as i see it.

Many 'tip the cap to your betters' working class folk think they are being clever by supporting FG. They buy the PR.
It doesn't matter they will not allow themselves to accept any criticism as genuine because that's not how they function. It's all about the team. Protect and attack. Just look at Varadkar's attitude. A decent chap would lick his wounds and take loss with a measure of grace and look to what caused the electorate to go elsewhere, instead him and his own are being nasty and telling the public they supported the wrong parties. It's 'you're with us or against us', the needs of the people doesn't come into it so they can't comprehend others thinking that way. You're a shinner who supports criminality or a whinging waster etc.

Foxtrol · 24-02-2020 02:57PM

Cupatae wrote: »

These self proclaimed "intelligent upper class", that support FF and FG seem to think anyone that votes for SF, is a "tracksuit wearing scumbag", that is also trying to vote back in the troubles, murders...and in general the Apocalypse depending on who you listen to.

The sheer notion that normal people voted for them in the hope for change from FF and FG usually leads to them bawling and screaming about all of the above in an attempt to discredit SF and anyone that supports them as much as possible.

***Disclaimer*** I didnt vote for SF, just calling it as i see it.

I agree with this but it goes the other way too.

Many in SF and their supporters appear to now believe that those that voted for them in this election are suddenly fine with the IRA connections, ongoing questionable activity, support a united Ireland in the next 5 years etc etc

blanch152 · 24-02-2020 03:23PM

Bowie wrote: »

Cool. That's were I believe you'll find your link, which I quoted regarding most new builds being build to rent

It doesn't exist.

James Brown · 24-02-2020 03:30PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

I agree with this but it goes the other way too.

Many in SF and their supporters appear to now believe that those that voted for them in this election are suddenly fine with the IRA connections, ongoing questionable activity, support a united Ireland in the next 5 years etc etc

I'm sure there are some but I doubt ML nor the broader party are that naive nor seeking any such thing. What FG/FF need to realise, for their own sake, is that's not the case. They'd be better off looking at the national crises and the way they do business. I think most of us would agree it's FG/FF's performance drove support elsewhere, not SF or SD or PBP suddenly becoming better.

Brendan Bendar · 24-02-2020 05:22PM

Bowie wrote: »

I'm sure there are some but I doubt ML nor the broader party are that naive nor seeking any such thing. What FG/FF need to realise, for their own sake, is that's not the case. They'd be better off looking at the national crises and the way they do business. I think most of us would agree it's FG/FF's performance drove support elsewhere, not SF or SD or PBP suddenly becoming better.

People will always look for the populist route.

People generally will not take the long term view and take some ‘pain’ to achieve better conditions.

The auld ‘What do we want,when do we want it- now!! coterie make sure that any long term planning involving some contribution however small, is stifled immediately amongst their support base.

That how it rolls, bub.

James Brown · 24-02-2020 05:39PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

People will always look for the populist route.

People generally will not take the long term view and take some ‘pain’ to achieve better conditions.

The auld ‘What do we want,when do we want it- now!! coterie make sure that any long term planning involving some contribution however small, is stifled immediately amongst their support base.

That how it rolls, bub.

Yet Kenny got in in 2011 on just that. Hard times, all in it together, change the way we do business...did a little worse next go...and under Varadkar worse still next go...

Anyone in FF/FG to ignore such a pattern deserves a few jants in the cheap seats.
My concern is they don't learn anything and get back in, as is their form. Thankfully we've a few new players looking like being an alternative.
....horse.

shadydestroyer · 24-02-2020 06:34PM

I don't think Fine Gael didn't do themselves any favors with my generation early 30's is the whole RIC Commemoration right before the general election. One of the stupidest things they ever done and just shows how far they are from general public with "Come out ye Black and Tans" going number one in the UK and Ireland on the Itunes chart.

Also of course the cost of housing, renting and the health service in **** is another reason.
Mary pops out baby, gets a free house while others are working hard and can't get a mortgage?

Who else was their left for us to vote for? Fine Fail who bankrupted the country or Fine Gael who don't give a flying feck about the working class or young people.

Leo was so far away from what the middle class workers needed. I think people were just sick of bending over for Fine Gael and have had enough.

Sinn Fein was all there was left to vote for.

Eric Cartman · 24-02-2020 06:47PM

Cupatae wrote: »

were they heroin addicts?

almost all of dublins 150 rough sleepers are heroin addicts.

What have we come to

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