What have we come to

sameoldname

smurgen wrote: »

Defensive much?

I'm not on here claiming that my favoured political party is going to prevent deaths. It's not defensiveness, it's incredulity.

olestoepoke

ScallionAyter wrote: »

You can't take a chronic heroin addict and just give them the keys to a free gaf. How do you think they ended up on the streets in the first place?

It was just this type of ill informed nonsense that lost fg the election. Homelessness was traditionally a problem with drug addicts and alcoholics etc but is much more than that in Ireland today. But hey jump straight to heroin addicts is it makes you feel better.

Jinglejangle69

Remember Johnathan Corrie??

Had 2 houses given 2 him but still ended up dying on the streets.

His daughter said they reached out many times to him but he had no interest.

How anyone can blame Eoghan Murphy for his death is beyond me.

Didn't stop SF and the other parties using him as a political football.

Its like a game of chess with these opposition parties.

Erica Fleming appeared at a SF Ard Fhies if my memory serves me well.

Cupatae

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Remember Johnathan Corrie??

Had 2 houses given 2 him but still ended up dying on the streets.

His daughter said they reached out many times to him but he had no interest.

How anyone can blame Eoghan Murphy for his death is beyond me.

Didn't stop SF and the other parties using him as a political football.

Its like a game of chess with these opposition parties.

Erica Fleming appeared at a SF Ard Fhies if my memory serves me well.

Perhaps give them care and a foundation to build from first rather than throwing houses at em. You know treat the root cause rather than the symptoms.

Jinglejangle69

olestoepoke wrote: »

It was just this type of ill informed nonsense that lost fg the election. Homelessness was traditionally a problem with drug addicts and alcoholics etc but is much more than that in Ireland today. But hey jump straight to heroin addicts is it makes you feel better.

Homelessness is people on the streets, not people been put up in hotels free of charge waiting for a free house.

Currently there is approx 150 homeless as in on the streets in Dublin.

The lowest in Europe for a capital.

sameoldname

olestoepoke wrote: »

It was just this type of ill informed nonsense that lost fg the election. Homelessness was traditionally a problem with drug addicts and alcoholics etc but is much more than that in Ireland today. But hey jump straight to heroin addicts is it makes you feel better.

No! How many times!? Homeless means they don't own a home or rent a home. It does not mean they are out on the street! These people have places they can stay, they choose to sleep rough. I'm not blaming them for making that choice or the choices that led them to the situation they are in. But I'm not going to have people act like SF are going to be able to prevent people dying while sleeping rough unless they plan to take away their liberties. Do they plan to take away their liberties?

Cupatae

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Homelessness is people on the streets, not people been put up in hotels free of charge waiting for a free house.

Currently there is approx 150 homeless as in on the streets in Dublin.

The lowest in Europe for a capital.

I love this "The lowest in Europe for a capital" or for other things "The 2nd highest in the EU"

As if it makes it all grand lol

olestoepoke

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Homelessness is people on the streets, not people been put up in hotels free of charge waiting for a free house.

Currently there is approx 150 homeless as in on the streets in Dublin.

The lowest in Europe for a capital.

Wow, this is a wind up surely.

Jinglejangle69

Cupatae wrote: »

Perhaps give them care and a foundation to build from first rather than throwing houses at em. You know treat the root cause rather than the symptoms.

His family gave him the 2 houses.

There is support for anyone who needs it and is willing to accept it in this country.

After that all you can do is physically restrain someone from hurting themselves.

Jinglejangle69

olestoepoke wrote: »

Wow, this is a wind up surely.

Which part specifically?

Cupatae

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

His family gave him the 2 houses.

There is support for anyone who needs it and is willing to accept it in this country.

After that all you can do is physically restrain someone from hurting themselves.

fair enough.

olestoepoke

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Which part specifically?

Everything you said unfortunately

smurgen

God damn homeless people dying on mass and making the government look bad!!!

Jinglejangle69

Cupatae wrote: »

I love this "The lowest in Europe for a capital" or for other things "The 2nd highest in the EU"

As if it makes it all grand lol

Who said its grand?

Not one country has solved people sleeping on the streets.

Lets be realistic here, if not there will never be a solution.

There has been homeless people for 100s of years in every country.

Expecting Eoghan Murphy to solve it all is absolute pie in the sky nonsense.

Jinglejangle69

smurgen wrote: »

God damn homeless people dying on mass and making the government look bad!!!

Dying on mass?

How many died this week from the flu in Ireland?

More than 4.

God dam people dying from the flu making the government look bad.

smurgen

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Who said its grand?

Not one country has solved people sleeping on the streets.

Lets be realistic here, if not there will never be a solution.

There has been homeless people for 100s of years in every country.

Expecting Eoghan Murphy to solve it all is absolute pie in the sky nonsense.

Especially when he's busy signing off on legislation to ban microbeads.

Foxtrol

Cupatae wrote: »

Those questions have everything to do with it, you just nit pick at there actions as it suits your own agenda,

What current campaign are you referring too? i believe there has been peace in the north for quiet sometime now. You are bouncing thru timelines aswell to suit yourself...

Oh please war crimes...spare us! the same people that want to enforce such things break those laws on the regular, its rich talking about war crimes and the british... i suppose you think the famine was a natural disaster aswell?

At the root of it all though who caused the IRA? that lead to the conflict that lead to the deaths of those innocent people? As far as i can see thats where the blame should be squarely placed the blood is on there hands.

Do you pay any attention to the news outside of a certain bubble?

CIRA tried to set a bomb a few weeks ago:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/dissident-bomb-was-intended-to-blow-up-on-board-brexit-day-ferry-1.4163813

NIRA threatening SF members

https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2020/0217/1115942-sinn-fein-new-ira-threat/

Going by your horrible twisting of reality I'm sure these are justified as well (or is the twisting only to excuse SFIRA?)

ScallionAyter

olestoepoke wrote: »

It was just this type of ill informed nonsense that lost fg the election. Homelessness was traditionally a problem with drug addicts and alcoholics etc but is much more than that in Ireland today. But hey jump straight to heroin addicts is it makes you feel better.

Smurgen is the poster who 'jumped' straight to a claim that four homeless people died in the previous eight days.

Smurgen, what did they die from? Where are you getting that statistic from? Olestoepoke reckons the four people who died are not the traditional homeless types....

Cupatae

Foxtrol wrote: »

Do you pay any attention to the news outside of a certain bubble?

CIRA tried to set a bomb a few weeks ago:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/dissident-bomb-was-intended-to-blow-up-on-board-brexit-day-ferry-1.4163813

NIRA threatening SF members

https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2020/0217/1115942-sinn-fein-new-ira-threat/

Going by your horrible twisting of reality I'm sure these are justified as well (or is the twisting only to excuse SFIRA?)

Ah go way lad, you are delusional if everyone was like you we d still be under the British boot. You are clutching at straws now, you even contradict yourself with the "IRA attacking SF" that you posted.

Tony EH

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Homelessness is people on the streets, not people been put up in hotels free of charge waiting for a free house.

Currently there is approx 150 homeless as in on the streets in Dublin.

The lowest in Europe for a capital.

Homelessness is "without fixed abode".

Field east

sameoldname wrote: »

No! How many times!? Homeless means they don't own a home or rent a home. It does not mean they are out on the street! These people have places they can stay, they choose to sleep rough. I'm not blaming them for making that choice or the choices that led them to the situation they are in. But I'm not going to have people act like SF are going to be able to prevent people dying while sleeping rough unless they plan to take away their liberties. Do they plan to take away their liberties?

Well, it has the means to do so. The rough sleeper would be given two choices . The ‘hard brexit ‘option where the the stepped down section of SF would be called into action or the ‘soft brexit ‘ option where the ‘free state bastards/ up the RA’ section of SF would be given the task of moving said target. After a while when all is stood down they probably would be back on the canal banks again

Field east

Cupatae wrote: »

I love this "The lowest in Europe for a capital" or for other things "The 2nd highest in the EU"

As if it makes it all grand lol

When it suits us we do use examples of the way other countries manage issues and quote figures that Ireland should be achieving . Eoin o Broin uses the example of how Austria , I think, has tackled the affordable/ social housing sector. So stop the equivalent of cherry picking and be a bit more balanced

FrancieBrady

Field east wrote: »

When it suits us we do use examples of the way other countries manage issues and quote figures that Ireland should be achieving . Eoin o Broin uses the example of how Austria , I think, has tackled the affordable/ social housing sector. So stop the equivalent of cherry picking and be a bit more balanced

Using examples of how we might improve is slightly different to using examples to deflect from how we have failed though. The first being an ambition the second being an excuse.

Brendan Bendar

Field east wrote: »

When it suits us we do use examples of the way other countries manage issues and quote figures that Ireland should be achieving . Eoin o Broin uses the example of how Austria , I think, has tackled the affordable/ social housing sector. So stop the equivalent of cherry picking and be a bit more balanced

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Using examples of how we might improve is slightly different to using examples to deflect from how we have failed though. The first being an ambition the second being an excuse.

I wonder do they have almost €40 million owed in rent in Vienna.

Hopefully Eoin will tell us.

Field east

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I wonder do they have almost €40 million owed in rent in Vienna.

Hopefully Eoin will tell us.

If other countries are a better place to live, based on the examples picked / cherry picked - be it in relation to health, education, accmodation, social welfare , transport, etc etc, etc, etc, - then why is there not a mass exodus from Ireland to these countries . Look at the exodus from Africanand other countries , where English is not their first language, into Ireland. I wonder why they pick Ireland.?

So it is somewhat disingenuous to pick an aspect of how a state operates its business without looking at the totally of the ‘business’. Eg mention the total tax rates in both states

blanch152

smurgen wrote: »

God damn homeless people dying on mass and making the government look bad!!!

We have been through the statistics before, and the analysis shows that the mortality rate among homeless people is less than the mortality rate among those in a home.

blanch152

Cupatae wrote: »

Happens when you ve FF and FG using murders as a stick to attack SF. About the only time those lot give a **** about those murders.

You will find that over the years I have constantly raised the issue of SF/IRA atrocities outside of elections. It attracts a lot of criticism from the usual Sinn Fein social media elements but these issues are not just raised at elections.

James Brown

Doctor Who featured Ireland last night. I think it's the first time. Thanks Sinn Fein!

smurgen

blanch152 wrote: »

We have been through the statistics before, and the analysis shows that the mortality rate among homeless people is less than the mortality rate among those in a home.

No I haven't.links please?

James Brown

Can anyone point out an SD or SF policy where the public gave them a mandate towards criminality as featured in their manifestos?