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    #2972
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    the numbers arent there for an sf lead government, and again, ffg simply wont allow one

    Hard to form government when Mary Lou spends all the time shooting her mouth off to RTÉ, I said it days ago she should have been talking to the parties not RTÉ, if she was interested in forming a government but they have no interest


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    #2973
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,925 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    the numbers arent there for an sf lead government, and again, ffg simply wont allow one
    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Hard to form government when Mary Lou spends all the time shooting her mouth off to RTÉ, I said it days ago she should have been talking to the parties not RTÉ, if she was interested in forming a government but they have no interest

    ......


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    #2974
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    ......


    You seem to struggle to understand to create a government Mary Lou should talk to other parties and negotiate. Like FF and FG done before

    Talking to RTE will not create a government, but then again she doesnt want to create one,,


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    #2975
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Out of interest bren, is there anything about a FFG that you don’t like?

    The answer to FF / FG not doing what you want is not SF.

    44% of people voted for your little snide ‘FFG’ , 24% of people voted for SFIRA


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    #2976
    jprender
    Registered Users Posts: 1,386 ✭✭✭jprender


    What is it with the ‘FFG’ thing by the way ?

    Is it the same thought process as saying ‘SFIRA’ ?


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    #2977
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    jprender wrote: »
    What is it with the ‘FFG’ thing by the way ?

    Is it the same thought process as saying ‘SFIRA’ ?

    Going to start using that actually....


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    #2978
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    quokula wrote: »
    The thing is that stats are based on reality, not some isolated anecdotes and misery junky stories shared on social media by perpetual moaners.

    To give some more real figures - SIMI stats show new car sales in Jan 2020 were up by over 50% from 2012. That's 50% more families who have enough disposable income to buy themselves a car that couldn't do that 8 years ago.

    The same stats showed that light commercial sales doubled, probably an even more telling sign of a buoyant economy for tradespeople, with a market less impacted by uncertainty around diesels, electric vehicles etc than private sales.

    To take another stat, in 2011 Dublin Airport carried 18 million passengers while in 2019 it carried 32 million. That's some combination of a hell of a lot more people who can afford holidays, mixed with a lot more people being attracted to visit here from abroad too.

    I couldn't find absolute figures for retail sales but they've been in positive growth every year so clearly they've been doing a lot better in 2019 than 2011 too. Yet another sign that people typically have more disposable income to enjoy life with.

    Housing is going to get more expensive when so many more people have so much more to spend. Building is picking up pace however and we've already seen prices level off over the last year.

    Anyone who's trying to depict the country as some kind of hell hole where nobody can afford to live a decent life really needs to get some perspective on what it's like in pretty much every other country. There's a reason why Ireland is so often near the top of international quality of life measures, such as the UN's Human Development Index which puts us third on the planet behind Norway and Switzerland.

    So apart from a few chancers and whingers everything is going well?
    Why di you think FG preformed so poorly in the election? Misery junkies and perpetual miners?
    The longer FG go on the more the state will need pick up the slack with rental aid and the like. It's not sustainable.


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    #2979
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Bowie wrote: »
    So apart from a few cgancers and whingers everything is going well?
    Why di you think FG preformed so poorly in the election? Misery junkies and perpetual miners?
    The longer FG go on the more the state will need pick up the slack with rental aid and the like. It's not sustainable.

    They lost 2% of the vote since last election

    Most of those lost votes lost because people wanted a protest vote, some actually thought SF might do what they said, but the protest vote in end will be useless as SF are full of hot air, really Ireland needs a labour or someone decent to rival FF/FG


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    #2980
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    They lost 2% of the vote since last election

    Most of those lost votes lost because people wanted a protest vote, some actually thought SF might do what they said, but the protest vote in end will be useless as SF are full of hot air, really Ireland needs a labour or someone decent to rival FF/FG

    You don't know that. Any vote for another party could be deemed a protest vote.
    Its arrogant to presume people are going elsewhere without thinking it through.
    Why would people move away from FF/FG year on year if what they provided was actually improving the public's lot?
    The whole concept peddled by FG that the electorate got it wrong is arrogant and very unhealthy for the country especially if FG get back in in some form.
    Instead of looking at why, FG are looking to score points like brats.
    FG need look at themselves not sling mud at other parties and the public.


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    #2981
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Bowie wrote: »
    You don't know that. Any vote for another party could be deemed a protest vote.
    Its arrogant to presume people are going elsewhere without thinking it through.
    Why would people move away from FF/FG year on year if what they provided was actually improving the public's lot?
    The whole concept peddled by FG that the electorate got it wrong is arrogant and very unhealthy for the country especially if FG get back in in some form.
    Instead of looking at why FG are looking to score points like brats.
    FG need look at themselves not sling mud at other parties and the public.


    It was a protest vote, everyone knows it including SF, even check on here. Voters had no idea who the politician was who they voted in, what’s the SF manifesto was or anything. Just voted SF and now regretting

    Pity is as I said I would actually like to see SF go into government because I think they will be found out but Mary Lou knows this and doing everything on her power to not go into government and blame the other parties

    If SF went in now they know they will be kicked out come next election, if they don’t they can hide and sligh mud for next few years, that’s the SF way

    At that stage hopefully I will have retired early and moved to Malta, no longer have to worry about the silly Irish voter


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    #2982
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    It was a protest vote, everyone knows it including SF, even check on here. Voters had no idea who the politician was who they voted in, what’s the SF manifesto was or anything. Just voted SF and now regretting

    Pity is as I said I would actually like to see SF go into government because I think they will be found out but Mary Lou knows this and doing everything on her power to not go into government and blame the other parties

    If SF went in now they know they will be kicked out come next election, if they don’t they can hide and sligh mud for next few years, that’s the SF way

    At that stage hopefully I will have retired early and moved to Malta, no longer have to worry about the silly Irish voter

    Everyone I know voted to get away from FF/FG. The protest was always FF to FG and vice versa. This is common knowledge. How else would two sets of wasters from the same mould ever get in in the first place?
    FF/FG know they are screwed if there's a viable third option, be it SF or whomever that's why they are so bitter and nasty.

    Well obviously you couldn't care less about the country or your neighbours so FG sounds like a good fit.


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    #2983
    quokula
    Registered Users Posts: 3,574 ✭✭✭quokula


    Bowie wrote: »
    You don't know that. Any vote for another party could be deemed a protest vote.
    Its arrogant to presume people are going elsewhere without thinking it through.
    Why would people move away from FF/FG year on year if what they provided was actually improving the public's lot?
    The whole concept peddled by FG that the electorate got it wrong is arrogant and very unhealthy for the country especially if FG get back in in some form.
    Instead of looking at why, FG are looking to score points like brats.
    FG need look at themselves not sling mud at other parties and the public.

    When the electorate vote for flag waving nationalist lying charlatan populists who promise the moon without a lick of a plan to deliver it then, yes, they got it wrong, as much as it would be political suicide for an actual politician to claim as much.

    Brexit was wrong. Trump was wrong. Salvini was wrong. SF would be wrong.

    However the Irish electorate didn’t actually vote for SF, over 75% of Irish people knew better than that, so most of the electorate are just fine, as much as some people seem to like to ignore.


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    #2984
    olestoepoke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    quokula wrote: »
    When the electorate vote for flag waving nationalist lying charlatan populists who promise the moon without a lick of a plan to deliver it then, yes, they got it wrong, as much as it would be political suicide for an actual politician to claim as much.

    Brexit was wrong. Trump was wrong. Salvini was wrong. SF would be wrong.

    However the Irish electorate didn’t actually vote for SF, over 75% of Irish people knew better than that, so most of the electorate are just fine, as much as some people seem to like to ignore.

    How do you know that any of the 75% you talk about didn't have SF 2nd on their ballot?


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    #2985
    JamesM
    Registered Users Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭JamesM


    If SF had got into government this time, they might have done well for the first year, because FG has already got the building program set up for next year. But by year 2 they would be out - and they know that. That's why they are doing everything to avoid going into government.


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    #2986
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,138 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    JamesM wrote: »
    If SF had got into government this time, they might have done well for the first year, because FG has already got the building program set up for next year. But by year 2 they would be out - and they know that. That's why they are doing everything to avoid going into government.

    For sure J, and their fellow travelers the Soc Dems.

    Two tug boats in charge only interested in trousering the taxpayers wedge.


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    #2987
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    JamesM wrote: »
    If SF had got into government this time, they might have done well for the first year, because FG has already got the building program set up for next year. But by year 2 they would be out - and they know that. That's why they are doing everything to avoid going into government.

    So SF have the necessary numbers without FF/FG/Lab/Soc Dems but are just avoiding responsibility?


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    #2988
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,613 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    They where not a necessary evil, they killed people to seemingly free Ireland. Ireland is still the exact same

    Plus they still around killing, stealing and beating up people. So what is the goal of them now?

    Mary Lou trying to make out they don’t exist, she is having a laugh

    Sorry, a bit late coming back to you.

    If one is being burned out of their home in a pogrom, what do you expect them to do?

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #2989
    Cupatae
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    Can someone explain to me....how did the British somehow become the victims in the troubles, and the IRA the villains ? granted they did alot of things that were wrong, but its a conflict.. caused by the BRITISH, the IRA were quiet literally born out of British brutality.


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    #2990
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,613 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Cupatae wrote: »
    Can someone explain to me....how did the British somehow become the victims in the troubles, and the IRA the villains ? granted they did alot of things that were wrong, but its a conflict.. caused by the BRITISH, the IRA were quiet literally born out of British brutality.

    Bombs from planes are OK, home-brews not so much.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #2991
    quokula
    Registered Users Posts: 3,574 ✭✭✭quokula


    Cupatae wrote: »
    Can someone explain to me....how did the British somehow become the victims in the troubles, and the IRA the villains ? granted they did alot of things that were wrong, but its a conflict.. caused by the BRITISH, the IRA were quiet literally born out of British brutality.

    You know the other parties in the election don’t represent the British right? They represent a peaceful forward looking country that ought not to have a bunch of backward violent thugs pulling the strings of power.


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    #2992
    Cupatae
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    quokula wrote: »
    You know the other parties in the election don’t represent the British right? They represent a peaceful forward looking country that ought not to have a bunch of backward violent thugs pulling the strings of power.

    They seem to struggle with the going "Forward" bit tho, it seems to be vasts amounts of there followers that bring up the "Past" relentlessly, with a spin of course that suits there own agendas...Using moral high ground/outrage as a stick who would a thought...the timing they choose to give a **** about these issues is impeccable aswell..


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    #2993
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Cupatae wrote: »
    Can someone explain to me....how did the British somehow become the victims in the troubles, and the IRA the villains ? granted they did alot of things that were wrong, but its a conflict.. caused by the BRITISH, the IRA were quiet literally born out of British brutality.

    Who said the British are victims?

    Trying to say the IRA are either doesn’t really work


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    #2994
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,501 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »
    It's kinda hilarious when people say builders should build for charity or something along those lines. Does the pharma sector work for the good of people. Or the tech industry.

    It’s funny alright.
    It’s also nothing like what I said.


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    #2995
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    It’s funny alright.
    It’s also nothing like what I said.

    Which land was sold off cheap to developers?

    Where are the builders the government is going to hire to build these houses? Plus all the other people required like architects/QS/etc etc?


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    #2996
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,501 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Which land was sold off cheap to developers?

    Where are the builders the government is going to hire to build these houses? Plus all the other people required like architects/QS/etc etc?

    So building houses isn’t a possibility under any government?


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    #2997
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    So building houses isn’t a possibility under any government?

    Did I say that?

    Loads of houses got built last year

    You keep posting about this cheap land, any link to that? Or that just BS you made up?


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    #2998
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,501 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Did I say that?

    Loads of houses got built last year

    You keep posting about this cheap land, any link to that? Or that just BS you made up?

    And loads can be built under the next gov, but the model that FFG have been using so far benefits private interests far to much


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    #2999
    GreeBo
    Registered Users Posts: 27,113 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    It's irrelevant. Macroeconomics has become entirely disconnected from average quality of life for a variety of reasons, and this is exactly what FG's problem is - obsessing over numbers and graphs on paper and not actually listening to people when huge, huge numbers of voters tell them that their lives have become worse, not better, as a result of economic "recovery" which has seen everything becoming more and more expensive without an increase in take-home pay which even begins to cover it.
    Irrelevant?
    Macroeconomics are what pay for everything in this country.
    Where do you think the money comes from? Ah of course, you are one of those that don't care where it comes from as it always comes from someone else.


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    #3000
    Cupatae
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Who said the British are victims?

    Trying to say the IRA are either doesn’t really work

    So do you think the IRA were wrong for fighting? Should they have just accepted the way things were?

    Ironically the people that joined the IRA were prob motivated by being victims of British oppression, either directly or by proxy, groups like that dont just randomly appear out of thin air.


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    #3001
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,048 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Cupatae wrote: »
    So do you think the IRA were wrong for fighting? Should they have just accepted the way things were?

    Ironically the people that joined the IRA were prob motivated by being victims of British oppression, either directly or by proxy, groups like that dont just randomly appear out of thin air.

    They don't randomly appear, terrorist groups or any criminal organization take advantage of disenfranchised young people and turn them to violence.

    Take the KKK or other white nationalist groups as an example, they didn't appear out of thin air but it doesn't mean their motivation is any way pure because they see themselves as 'oppressed'.

    The IRA killed more Catholics in the north during the troubles than any other group.


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