What have we come to

Cupatae wrote: »

Can someone explain to me....how did the British somehow become the victims in the troubles, and the IRA the villains ? granted they did alot of things that were wrong, but its a conflict.. caused by the BRITISH, the IRA were quiet literally born out of British brutality.

You know the other parties in the election don’t represent the British right? They represent a peaceful forward looking country that ought not to have a bunch of backward violent thugs pulling the strings of power.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

It's irrelevant. Macroeconomics has become entirely disconnected from average quality of life for a variety of reasons, and this is exactly what FG's problem is - obsessing over numbers and graphs on paper and not actually listening to people when huge, huge numbers of voters tell them that their lives have become worse, not better, as a result of economic "recovery" which has seen everything becoming more and more expensive without an increase in take-home pay which even begins to cover it.

Irrelevant?
Macroeconomics are what pay for everything in this country.
Where do you think the money comes from? Ah of course, you are one of those that don't care where it comes from as it always comes from someone else.

Cupatae wrote: »

So do you think the IRA were wrong for fighting? Should they have just accepted the way things were?

Ironically the people that joined the IRA were prob motivated by being victims of British oppression, either directly or by proxy, groups like that dont just randomly appear out of thin air.

They don't randomly appear, terrorist groups or any criminal organization take advantage of disenfranchised young people and turn them to violence.

Take the KKK or other white nationalist groups as an example, they didn't appear out of thin air but it doesn't mean their motivation is any way pure because they see themselves as 'oppressed'.

The IRA killed more Catholics in the north during the troubles than any other group.

Cupatae wrote: »

Really? you're comparing the IRA to the KKK...thats reaching abit..grand i dunno how true the "They killed more catholics than anyone else is" but for argument sake ill go with it, why did they kill these people? would it have been alright if they were of another religion?

The IRA's use of violence for the most part seemed strategic and less mindless, i believe most of there bombings came with warnings to avoid innocent casualties ?

Also if they were so brutal to there own people as you alure to where did they get the support from? why didnt there campaign completely collapse?

I get the feeling that you arent telling the whole story only certain sections for effect.

I'm not comparing their ideologies but you claimed 'groups like that dont just randomly appear out of thin air' and white supremacy groups are terrorist 'groups like that'. Whether you deem the ideology that motivates them is fair or foul, their leaders prey on disillusioned young people to take up arms.

The implication that the bombing of civilians is less mindless because they gave warnings is disturbing and likely a good example of the type of mental gymnastics that allows people to vote for SF. If someone goes into a cinema with a gun and gives people 10 seconds to run before opening fire it doesn't make them any less evil.

From you post I'm not sure if you're expecting me to go through every single murder committed by the IRA with you but I don't have the time for that. Maybe do a bit of research yourself and come back to me.

maccored wrote: »

ah cop on.they appeared because there was no security force to protect a sizeable portion of the community. I dont mind the bull**** I read on here, but dont try to change history just because you dont know it

Yes it is well known that how you protect a community is by bombing civilians, including many from that same community :rolleyes:

Cupatae wrote: »

" their leaders prey on disillusioned young people to take up arms."

Where to even start with that... you realize what the troubles was about yeah?

The current active republican groups are preying on the exact same type of disillusioned young people.

Do you have issues with them continuing their campaign?

Your analogies are stupid and you deliberately skew facts and muddy the waters, there is a significant difference in intent alone take your gunman in a cinema , from the get go he was intending to kill innocent people and gave them a chance but still killed innocents.

Aiming to blow up a building to cause economic damage to an oppressive force while giving a warning so that innocent people dont get hurt, the intent was to blow the building up not the people.

Do you even understand how the warnings used to work, they were incredibly basic and regularly failed?

You're really twisting yourself in knots here. 'Economic damage' is incredibly callous, they targeted pubs, shops, and offices. Those literally fall under the definition of war crimes.

You know how you avoid killing innocent people, don't target where they drink, shop, or work.

Again were the IRA wrong in fighting back in the north?

Were the British good people looking to live peacefully?

Answer those questions.

Why? These questions have nothing to do with the point I was responding to. I'm discussing their actions, not ideologies. Just because someone believes they are right doesn't justify their actions.

olestoepoke wrote: »

Isn't it wonderful that they are even an issue. Boards is alive with SF bashing. They aren't irrelevant anymore and the establishment and their followers are in a serious panic. About time this country copped on and did something about the yearly scandals from smear test debacle to housing crisis etc. The list is endless.

Sure sure, I’m sure someone will flick a switch.

:rolleyes:

Would Mary Lou McDonnell ever consider using her name in Irish. It would be the ultimate move to copperfasten her republican /Irish credentials.so haw about it Maire Labhaoise Mhic Dhomnail

olestoepoke wrote: »

More "Bashing". great.....yawn

My friend, SF have spent the last five years “bashing” as you call it.

Now that the slate has been lifted, get used to it, dude.