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Stheno · 23-02-2020 02:42PM

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Yeah, he's not overly concerned now. Here's a link to his twitter feed, and he posts vlog updates about his parents, that suggest he's not worried at present.

https://twitter.com/biggetywitch?s=20

That's good to hear

Mic 1972 · 23-02-2020 02:48PM

134 Infected people in Italy in total, it's the 4th most infected country in the world
Wonder how many flights have landed in Dublin from Milan and Bergamo in the 2 days?

23-02-2020 02:48PM

Extract from Wikipaedia entry for our former infectious diseases hospital at Cherry Orchard:

“ The hospital, which was commissioned to replace the aging Cork Street Fever Hospital, opened in November 1953.[1][2] By the 1980s immunisation programmes had reduced the incidence of infectious diseases and the hospital expanded the range of medical services it provided to include psychiatric and rehabilitation services.[1] After the government implemented cuts to services at the hospital in 2010, there were protests organised against Mary Harney, the Health Minister, on behalf of the Save Cherry Orchard Hospital Campaign.[3][4][5] A new child and adolescent mental health facility opened at the hospital in 2013.[6]”

Jim_Hodge · 23-02-2020 02:50PM

Gynoid wrote: »

Just from the last few pages. I got my glasses on baby..

You included me there. Are genuine questions banned and can fake comments not be challenged?

Doesn't bode well for an informed discussion. If I am past a certain age does it make me immune from correction or any questions?

I'll leave it there. No point trying to follow a one dimensional discussion.

23-02-2020 02:52PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

134 Infected people in Italy in total, it's the 4th most infected country in the world
Wonder how many flights have landed in Dublin from Milan and Bergamo in the 2 days?

Milan is Italy’s principal business city, with lots of business and academic travellers to and from Dublin and elsewhere.

Mic 1972 · 23-02-2020 02:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Milan is Italy’s principal business city, with lots of business and academic travellers to and from Dublin and elsewhere.

If it's in Milan, it's everywhere in Europe
We'll know in a week or two

Spanish Eyes · 23-02-2020 02:59PM

I think the genie is out of the bottle now, but hopefully I am wrong, ever the optimist.

I also think the Church should state from the altar that the Sign of Peace is being suspended for the time being at Mass. I worry about those in my family who attend church and partake in this little ritual.

Jim_Hodge · 23-02-2020 03:01PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I think the genie is out of the bottle now, but hopefully I am wrong, ever the optimist.

I also think the Church should state from the altar that the Sign of Peace is being suspended for the time being at Mass. I worry about those in my family who attend church and partake in this little ritual.

The sign of peace was suspended in church four weeks ago.

Corkgirl18 · 23-02-2020 03:02PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I also think the Church should state from the altar that the Sign of Peace is being suspended for the time being at Mass. I worry about those in my family who attend church and partake in this little ritual.

Bishops in Northern Italy have done this already. Theyre draining the holy water fonts too.

Spanish Eyes · 23-02-2020 03:03PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

The sign of peace was suspended in church four weeks ago.

Not in my relatives church this morning in Kildare. Just off the phone to them.

Akrasia · 23-02-2020 03:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I like the eastern greeting of palms pressed together, fingers pointing up and the little bow of the head. It’s very polite but avoids physical contact.

Yeah but you'd look like a tit doing that unless you're from that part of the world
Ireland have the raised finger salute and the long wink. Both of these are adequate replacements for the hand shake

If CoronaVirus gets near a rural funeral the village would be wiped out within 2 week, along with every politician within voting distance.

23-02-2020 03:09PM

pc7 wrote: »

Bergamo\Milan would be big airport hubs for skiing areas. If an airport worker was a carrier then half of Europe who went skiing last while would be open to it. Really mind blowing when you think how easily something can spread in modern times.

My cousin & family not long back from there and “threatening” to invite me (“we’re going to have you out to us shortly”) to their house for dinner. I think I’m going to develop a nasty “virus” Just to avoid the invite

Gynoid · 23-02-2020 03:10PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

You included me there. Are genuine questions banned and can fake comments not be challenged?

Doesn't bode well for an informed discussion. If I am past a certain age does it make me immune from correction or any questions?

I'll leave it there. No point trying to follow a one dimensional discussion.

If you are past a certain age I will be polite to you even if you are a thundering pain in the arse, yup.

They can be challenged more politely if the person is elderly and not robust. Or better still ignored. Would you like to watch someone do it in real life, would you do it yourself, be so scathing to an old person? I would not stand back and allow it to happen in front of me in real life anyway, even if the elderly and infirm person was completely annoying. It is just not good form.

But have at it, whoever needs to, if that is your thing.

Irish Stones · 23-02-2020 03:16PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

134 Infected people in Italy in total, it's the 4th most infected country in the world
Wonder how many flights have landed in Dublin from Milan and Bergamo in the 2 days?

We have to thank that damn idiot 38 yo man who spread the virus around by going to the gym, playing soccer with his friends, taking part to a race and going out with lots of people in the last two weeks, instead of staying home and taking care of his 8 months pregnant wife.

And we have to thank the Italian government (I'm Italian and live in Italy) that hasn't been able to manage the situation properly. Absolutely lack of professionalism, and a naive and childish approach to the emergency.

They kept telling us that we have the best health system around and we had taken the most extreme measures to counter the virus. Yes, of course, it does show.

Jimmy Garlic · 23-02-2020 03:22PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I think the genie is out of the bottle now, but hopefully I am wrong, ever the optimist.

I also think the Church should state from the altar that the Sign of Peace is being suspended for the time being at Mass. I worry about those in my family who attend church and partake in this little ritual.

Just as likely to catch it from a door knob, stair rail, shopping trolley etc.

Jimmy Garlic · 23-02-2020 03:35PM

Irish Stones wrote: »

We have to thank that damn idiot 38 yo man who spread the virus around by going to the gym, playing soccer with his friends, taking part to a race and going out with lots of people in the last two weeks, instead of staying home and taking care of his 8 months pregnant wife.

And we have to thank the Italian government (I'm Italian and live in Italy) that hasn't been able to manage the situation properly. Absolutely lack of professionalism, and a naive and childish approach to the emergency.

They kept telling us that we have the best health system around and we had taken the most extreme measures to counter the virus. Yes, of course, it does show.

Anyone would that they would rather this virus spread and killed people than take measures at ports and airports and risk being called "racist" by sjw Marxists.

BanditLuke · 23-02-2020 03:40PM

This is a pivotal moment for Europe. Do we do what's right and lock down transport hubs to prevent contagion or do we let a possible 2% out of a very possible millions of infected die. This is where we need to see real leadership and not talking shop politics.

Call Me Jimmy · 23-02-2020 03:41PM

Beggars belief that a good chunk of the country are walking around now assuming its not here, or people get colds etc. and have no idea they're spreading this. It seems so inevitable that we wait until the critical case shows up and gets tested and we are in Italy's shoes.

It's not like doing the bare minimum amount is hard. I understand it's unlikely to be contained in any country at this stage, but could we have given it a shot even?

RebelButtMunch · 23-02-2020 03:43PM

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Beggars belief that a good chunk of the country are walking around now assuming its not here, or people get colds etc. and have no idea they're spreading this. It seems so inevitable that we wait until the critical case shows up and gets tested and we are in Italy's shoes.

It's not like doing the bare minimum amount is hard. I understand it's unlikely to be contained in any country at this stage, but could we have given it a shot even?

What about the people that are asymptomatic? What do you suggest we do about them?

givyjoe · 23-02-2020 03:47PM

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

What about the people that are asymptomatic? What do you suggest we do about them?

Nothing much obviously. But just shrugging shoulders and doing nothing is reckless. If is going to spread, every country should do as much as possible to limit it, and how quickly it spreads to try and avoid the health system being swamped. That's when we'll have a serious problem on our hands.

BanditLuke · 23-02-2020 03:47PM

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Beggars belief that a good chunk of the country are walking around now assuming its not here, or people get colds etc. and have no idea they're spreading this. It seems so inevitable that we wait until the critical case shows up and gets tested and we are in Italy's shoes.

It's not like doing the bare minimum amount is hard. I understand it's unlikely to be contained in any country at this stage, but could we have given it a shot even?

That would mean our government being proactive for the first time in our history.

Drumpot · 23-02-2020 03:48PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

This is a pivotal moment for Europe. Do we do what's right and lock down transport hubs to prevent contagion or do we let a possible 2% out of a very possible millions of infected die. This is where we need to see real leadership and not talking shop politics.

I predict the don’t worry until it’s in your town approach will continue.

The people saying that there’s not much else that the HSE can do now will just rehash it as that there was nothing else they could of done in advance.

As I posted here before, (Below) Ireland was ranked 0% in terms of communication preparation in a recent study so no surprise they are taking a cross Fingers and hope it doesn’t come approach.

Drumpot wrote: »

https://www.ghsindex.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Ireland.pdf

Source

https://www.ghsindex.org/country/ireland/

Some interesting reading. We are ranked 15/43 in Europe in terms of prepared for dealing with a pathogen.

Interesting low scores:

-Exercising response plans 0 - average across world 16.2
- Linking public health and security authorities 0 - average across world 22.6
-Communications with healthcare workers during a public health emergency
0 - average across world 15.1

Who’d of thought one of the most basic , controllable elements which are communication would be such an easy area for most countries to be so bad. We get big 0s but the average of those variables is terribly low.

I really hope that story posted by the person with the Chinese student is a joke. That’s negligence of the highest order from the HSE , the school and anybody willingly involved in ignoring public safety out of pure ignorance. This is why I don’t trust the authority’s, they really don’t think it’s going to come here so are acting irresponsible and taking risks with peoples lives. The pathetic thing is that this isn’t rocket science or difficult to manage. Makes me sick because this is the sort of laissez-faire attitude that makes what doesn’t need to be a pandemic Into a pandemic. Prevention is better then cure.

tillyfilly · 23-02-2020 03:51PM

Airports are a viruses best ally , if a virus could talk it would be counting its blessings! Shut down the airport now!!!

dublin99 · 23-02-2020 03:51PM

How many Italian fans are expected to travel to Ireland for the 6 Nations match on 7 March? What is the risk of the virus spreading at the Aviva? They have already cancelled the 6 Nations womens match today in Italy between Italy and Scotland!

odyssey06 · 23-02-2020 03:51PM

Nijmegen wrote: »

Weird the way the outbreak in Italy is so spread across a load of little villages. Another super spreader, on holiday? Shoutout to all those previous here saying “we have a low population density, be grand in the countryside!”

According to a recent model done at John Hopkins University (quoted in new scientist magazine), 10% of super spreaders could account for 80% of infections.

Duke of Url · 23-02-2020 03:52PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

This is a pivotal moment for Europe. Do we do what's right and lock down transport hubs to prevent contagion or do we let a possible 2% out of a very possible millions of infected die. This is where we need to see real leadership and not talking shop politics.

When you say lock down transport hubs, are you saying nobody on or off the island.

What happens at the NI border which is the UK.

Drumpot · 23-02-2020 03:55PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

When you say lock down transport hubs, are you saying nobody on or off the island.

What happens at the NI border which is the UK.

We can only control what we control. A lot of the strategy’s being taken are designed to slow down The virus as it looks unstoppable at this stage. Even if people can get into Ireland through Northern Ireland, it Still slows it down.

I don’t think our authority’s have the foresight or guts to take such drastic action. They can hide behind what everyone else is doing so no tough decisions will need to be made.

Mic 1972 · 23-02-2020 03:56PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

This is a pivotal moment for Europe. Do we do what's right and lock down transport hubs to prevent contagion or do we let a possible 2% out of a very possible millions of infected die. This is where we need to see real leadership and not talking shop politics.

2%?? LOL
where have you been for the last few days?

BanditLuke · 23-02-2020 03:57PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

When you say lock down transport hubs, are you saying nobody on or off the island.

What happens at the NI border which is the UK.

Yes everything. Airports, ferry ports etc... Why wait until what's happening in China is happening here. Be proactive now.

Unearthly · 23-02-2020 03:58PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

This is a pivotal moment for Europe. Do we do what's right and lock down transport hubs to prevent contagion or do we let a possible 2% out of a very possible millions of infected die. This is where we need to see real leadership and not talking shop politics.

Haven't you seen The Leftovers? Losing 2% of the population would bring the world to its knees :pac:

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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