Knock/Eirtrade thread

billy few mates · 13-02-2020 6:51pm

GM228 wrote: »

I would guess the Dr. Peters Group would have an agreement with AF to crew the plane to it's final resting place, doubt there are many A380 certified pilots outside of the commercial operators for such ferry flights, though I could be wrong.

It has to be an Air France crew, it doesn't matter how many qualified A380 pilots are out there it's a very complicated procedure to fly an aircraft that isn't on an AOC so it's simpler that it remains on the AF AOC until it gets to its final resting place.
Also it's quite common to have to paint the aircraft white as a return condition of the lease even if it's going to another operator who will be repainting it anyway so AF would probably have had to pay 'a fine' for not painting it. You can sometimes agree a settlement to pay but I would think in this case AF were quite happy to paint it to avoid the publicity when picture of these aircraft in bits start appearing all over the internet...

13-02-2020 9:00pm

Plus I guess they’d be happy especially when they no longer own it. Bad publicity for no reason.

billy few mates · 13-02-2020 9:18pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Plus I guess they’d be happy especially when they no longer own it. Bad publicity for no reason.

Exactly, they don't want to become a meme...

Muahahaha · 13-02-2020 9:37pm

Was watching a video of a plane being scrapped on Youtube. Anyone know what the chains they use to slice through the fuselage would be made of?

billy few mates · 13-02-2020 9:57pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Was watching a video of a plane being scrapped on Youtube. Anyone know what the chains they use to slice through the fuselage would be made of?

I've seen them do it with a JCB and a few chain saws. They're remarkably easy to tear down for scrap once you've 'harvested their organs', a couple of ramp agents with a couple of belt loaders could scrap one on a thirty minute turnround.

13-02-2020 11:04pm

I’m told it’s still happening. I’ll post again when I hear something more concrete.

Board Walker · 14-02-2020 7:12am

Muahahaha wrote: »

Was watching a video of a plane being scrapped on Youtube. Anyone know what the chains they use to slice through the fuselage would be made of?

metal Muahahaha

Tenger · 14-02-2020 8:42am

AAAAAAAAA wrote: »

I find the act of painting over the livery on crashed planes to be far more of a waste considering everyone already knows who's plane it was that crashed.
.....

Anyone remeber the BA B777 at LHR. Sky had a camera pointed at it for about 3 hours before BA parked a fuel truck to block line of sight.

rolion · 14-02-2020 8:52am

Assuming that we can make it on time AND the poor plane lands in Knock...

Any one care to share best route to the airport ,where to stay,where to eat.
Whats the most effective place to capture the vibration of the engines and to see it landing clearly,without any obstructions ?
Also,if possible to get closer near to the plane body ?

Thanks

Lurching · 14-02-2020 9:14am

Deleted User wrote: »

Plus I guess they’d be happy especially when they no longer own it. Bad publicity for no reason.

They never owned it - it was leased

FirstinLastout · 14-02-2020 11:30am

Any idea if this big bird is still scheduled for Knock today, or has Storm Dennis postponed her arrival??

GBX · 14-02-2020 11:49am

Deleted User wrote: »

Cancelled for the time being. No new date yet sorry.

FirstinLastout wrote: »

Any idea if this big bird is still scheduled for Knock today, or has Storm Dennis postponed her arrival??

GVHOT posted this yesterday ^^

mayotom · 15-02-2020 8:43pm

Looks like Tuesday now.
Qantas VH-OQA arrived in Dresden yesterday, also destined for scrappage at Knock.

Andrew33 · 15-02-2020 9:18pm

mayotom wrote: »

Looks like Tuesday now.
Qantas VH-OQA arrived in Dresden yesterday, also destined for scrappage at Knock.

That was the aircraft that had the catastrophic engine failure a while back.

greenpilot · 15-02-2020 9:55pm

Confirmed for Tuesday. Time to be confirmed. The German Dresden aircraft enthusiasts are in full swing at the moment discussing the logistics of getting AF375s into the Airport. 3 A380's will be scrapped initially.
I'm looking forward to shooting this from my usual spot. Packed lunch and a flask up on the gate pillar methinks!

greenpilot · 15-02-2020 9:56pm

Confirmed for Tuesday. Time to be confirmed. The German Dresden aircraft enthusiasts are in full swing at the moment discussing the logistics of getting AF375s into the Airport. 3 A380's will be scrapped initially.
I'm looking forward to shooting this from my usual spot. Packed lunch and a flask up on the gate pillar methinks!

greenpilot · 15-02-2020 10:03pm

GM228 wrote: »

Privately or publically, the only "official" word I have seen is a resounding "no" from the airport on Twitter.

Ok. It's definitely coming. I have contacts in both Leipzig and Dresden. Knock info are playing it down as they want to keep it low key for their own purposes. They have nothing to do with Eirtrade.
There will be 3 aircraft in total over the coming weeks. I have a pic on my phone of the first aircraft sitting on the ramp in Leipzig waiting for the opportunity to leave.
I have it in good repute that it will be a next Tuesday arrival. No time yet. I'm keeping an eye on my German contacts. One of them is a despatcher.

mayotom · 15-02-2020 10:05pm

Andrew33 wrote: »

That was the aircraft that had the catastrophic engine failure a while back.

The very one

greenpilot · 15-02-2020 10:19pm

Here she is, parked up yesterday at Leipzig waiting for an opportunity to get going.

15-02-2020 11:40pm

mayotom wrote: »

Looks like Tuesday now.
Qantas VH-OQA arrived in Dresden yesterday, also destined for scrappage at Knock.

Yeah that’s what I have as well but this source wasn’t reliable. Looking forward to the photos and videos of their arrival.

The One Doctor · 15-02-2020 11:57pm

The quintessential white elephant. What a waste.

Oh well, we all make mistakes, even Airbus.

Half tempted to go down to Knock for a gander. Never seen an A380 in the flesh before.

Idbatterim · 16-02-2020 12:43am

they should use the fuselage for emergecy accomodation in dublin, throw it down in phoenix park somewhere! get ethihad or whoever, to insall their fancy suits into every last inch of it !

theguzman · 16-02-2020 4:25am

Apparently the two Qantas A380's in Dresden are there for a cabin refit and there is no mention of any Qantas A380 being retired or scrapped yet. The all Eurowhite A380 is a former Air France A380 that does appear to be going for scrap. I can't imagine Knock as a suitable place to scrap an aircraft, wouldn't the constant rain destroy everything? especially as spare parts and not scrap metal seem to be the big money spinner from these. Getting the cockpit soaked in rain with a hole in the roof wouldn't see too many salvageable parts I'd reckon.

Del2005 · 16-02-2020 4:38am

theguzman wrote: »

Apparently the two Qantas A380's in Dresden are there for a cabin refit and there is no mention of any Qantas A380 being retired or scrapped yet. The all Eurowhite A380 is a former Air France A380 that does appear to be going for scrap. I can't imagine Knock as a suitable place to scrap an aircraft, wouldn't the constant rain destroy everything? especially as spare parts and not scrap metal seem to be the big money spinner from these. Getting the cockpit soaked in rain with a hole in the roof wouldn't see too many salvageable parts I'd reckon.

They take most of the valuable stuff out before it gets to the scrapper and they then carefully remove anything that can be reused before they cut it up.

Cosmo Kramer · 16-02-2020 9:53am

theguzman wrote: »

I can't imagine Knock as a suitable place to scrap an aircraft, wouldn't the constant rain destroy everything? especially as spare parts and not scrap metal seem to be the big money spinner from these. Getting the cockpit soaked in rain with a hole in the roof wouldn't see too many salvageable parts I'd reckon.

I mean seriously, if that was actually the case, do you think there would be an aircraft scrappage company based at the airport? Do you actually think it rains there all day, every day, and never stops?

Of course an aircraft can be scrapped there, all that is needed is a runway long enough to allow it to land and at 2,340 metres, Knock has that.

Lurching · 16-02-2020 11:00am

I wonder will they road freight the engines out, or will they be picked up by a freighter?

EchoIndia · 16-02-2020 11:19am

Lurching wrote: »

I wonder will they road freight the engines out, or will they be picked up by a freighter?

Unless there is an urgent commercial need for them, whatever is cheapest, I would say.

hopeso · 16-02-2020 11:21am

Did anyone else notice that all threads relating to this have disappeared from a FB group overnight?

mayotom · 16-02-2020 12:37pm

hopeso wrote: »

Did anyone else notice that all threads relating to this have disappeared from a FB group overnight?

Yes, with a post stating what that page was for., Which doesn't say anything about not discussing this. All a bit strange.

greenpilot · 16-02-2020 1:29pm

mayotom wrote: »

Yes, with a post stating what that page was for., Which doesn't say anything about not discussing this. All a bit strange.

One of the admins there throws the toys out sometimes. Needs to lighten up a bit.

hopeso · 16-02-2020 1:29pm

mayotom wrote: »

Yes, with a post stating what that page was for., Which doesn't say anything about not discussing this. All a bit strange.

I never noticed the updated post. Just read it now. It is all a bit strange......

hopeso · 16-02-2020 1:31pm

greenpilot wrote: »

One of the admins there throws the toys out sometimes. Needs to lighten up a bit.

Not much of a group then, if a major event like this involving the airport is off topic......

sidekick · 16-02-2020 6:54pm

Sad to see it being scrapped but I understand the reasons. Curiously I flew it from CDG to LHR back in 2010 when AF was using the aircraft on that route to build up flying hours for the crew.

Inquitus · 16-02-2020 7:03pm

sidekick wrote: »

Sad to see it being scrapped but I understand the reasons. Curiously I flew it from CDG to LHR back in 2010 when AF was using the aircraft on that route to build up flying hours for the crew.

It's a terrible shame these never really took off, only seemed to work for Emirates really with their superhub in Dubai. I have to say, having flown on one from Dubai to Athens, it really is a lovely airplane with a great passenger experience.

Comhrá · 16-02-2020 7:38pm

I flew to Aus and back a few years ago on the A380 and thought it by far the nicest longhaul aircraft I ever flew on. A real shame it wasn't a commercial success.

embraer170 · 16-02-2020 10:04pm

hopeso wrote: »

Did anyone else notice that all threads relating to this have disappeared from a FB group overnight?

What group is that?

cnocbui · 16-02-2020 10:10pm

Comhra wrote: »

I flew to Aus and back a few years ago on the A380 and thought it by far the nicest longhaul aircraft I ever flew on. A real shame it wasn't a commercial success.

Likewise - a couple of times. You'd think with the Covid-19 virus outbreak, some governments would put a thought to equipping these as mobile hospitals/clinics for just such disasters.

cson · 16-02-2020 10:42pm

Inquitus wrote: »

It's a terrible shame these never really took off, only seemed to work for Emirates really with their superhub in Dubai. I have to say, having flown on one from Dubai to Athens, it really is a lovely airplane with a great passenger experience.

The AF ones are a bit dated now.

un5byh7sqpd2x0 · 17-02-2020 12:32am

The One Doctor wrote: »

The quintessential white elephant. What a waste.

Oh well, we all make mistakes, even Airbus.

Half tempted to go down to Knock for a gander. Never seen an A380 in the flesh before.

I was on one for several hours from Johannesburg to Dubai. Nothing special to be honest

un5byh7sqpd2x0 · 17-02-2020 12:35am

cnocbui wrote: »

Likewise - a couple of times. You'd think with the Covid-19 virus outbreak, some governments would put a thought to equipping these as mobile hospitals/clinics for just such disasters.

Fly around for 14 days as an airborne quarantine? :rolleyes:

rolion · 17-02-2020 10:18am

So, any hints on the best place to see it landing ?

Dublin to Knock airport,via M/N4 takes about 2:30 .Is that corect ?

Are the planes landing from left side (East) or from right side (West) !?

AndyBoBandy · 17-02-2020 10:47am

rolion wrote: »

Are the planes landing from left side (East) or from right side (West) !?

It all depends on what way the wind is blowing....

Board Walker · 17-02-2020 10:49am

Miley Worried Leper wrote: »

I was on one for several hours from Johannesburg to Dubai. Nothing special to be honest

I'd take a 747 any day! Not been on one tho... Biggest i've gotten on is a Aeroflot 777-300

17-02-2020 10:50am

Thursday now, no time yet.

greenpilot · 17-02-2020 10:53am

I'm based near Knock. The airport is distancing itself from the potential for the arrival of the A338, as is the FB group, which is a private group set up by enthusiasts in the area. When the c17's began to arrive around Joe Biden's visit, things became daft as folks started posting erroneous info to both EIKN's page and the FB group so it had to be reigned in.
The last thing they need is a crowd of lost Dubs trundling around the boggy mountain top trying to peer through the horizontal rain, of which there is much

I do jest of course.
However, that being said, Here are the facts. Yes there is a company based at NOC licenced to scrap aircraft up to and including an A338. Yes, there are up to 3 speculated to arrive at some stage....BUT...
I have a friend who works at Dresden, where they now sit and he tells me that the aircraft scheduled to arrive here has just had a quick refurbish in the EADS hanger and is now scheduled to fly to the U.S. on the 24th. So, unless plans change, it's a non runner. I will however keep you posted if plans change.

greenpilot · 17-02-2020 10:56am

rolion wrote: »

So, any hints on the best place to see it landing ?

Dublin to Knock airport,via M/N4 takes about 2:30 .Is that corect ?

Are the planes landing from left side (East) or from right side (West) !?

Our prevailing winds come from the......
So aircraft will be landing towards the.
..

greenpilot · 17-02-2020 10:57am

Deleted User wrote: »

Thursday now, no time yet.

That's the original heads up got, however I received news this morning that Indicated another change of plans.

17-02-2020 11:33am

rolion wrote: »

So, any hints on the best place to see it landing ?

Dublin to Knock airport,via M/N4 takes about 2:30 .Is that corect ?

Are the planes landing from left side (East) or from right side (West) !?

Sounds about right on the trip time from Dublin, well I'm presuming you don't leave at rush hour.

Which runway it lands on entirely depends on the winds, thought I think ideally they will want to use 26 as that has a full cat 2 ILS.

Neworder79 · 17-02-2020 12:00pm

If photography is important there are a few spots people use outside the Perimeter fence:

A- Main 26 approach (form East) lights/turnpad, good for overhead and elevated view over the countryside. Narrow local road so could park on the lay-by on the main access road and few min walk.

B- Local road passes 08 (from West) approach/fire training area, not best for photos.

C- Local cul-de-sac leading to perimeter fence/VOR. Good views for runway touchdown/airport in backdrop but limited car space.

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D- The airport has a good viewing lounge on 1st floor for 26 approaches and main apron, you can partly see second apron with bar/cafe/parking bonus.

E- Hangar area normally accessible, but road could be restricted if crowds turned up.

17-02-2020 12:05pm

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