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    #272
    mickdw
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    Wtf ? wrote: »
    Ryanair should pick up a few 380s on the cheap and start their USA service.

    These things really must be money pits when they are going for scrap this early.
    Ryanair would surely be looking for something more common.
    Would be funny if they did buy a few and made a killing on them.


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    #273
    Wtf ?
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 343 ✭✭Wtf ?


    mickdw wrote: »
    These things really must be money pits when they are going for scrap this early.
    Ryanair would surely be looking for something more common.
    Would be funny if they did buy a few and made a killing on them.
    All Economy class too


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    #274
    Chris_5339762
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    5/5 layout throughout the cabin


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    #275
    easypazz
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    You would wonder. 868 pax. on something like LHR JFK?


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    #276
    greenpilot
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    greenpilot wrote: »
    Yep. I've a mate working there as a dispatcher, and my German is rusty, but apparently the Owners want to keep the airframe active, hence the earlier flighplan to the states. Now he's telling me of a 20th departure. There are currently 3 sitting on the ramp, which as you can imagine is drawing quite a crowd at the Eads hanger.

    VHOQA ex Qantas has been pulled into the Eads hanger, which is apparently the second A380 due to Knock. My source says F-HPJB has been moved back out to the ramp. He's still going with the 20th, departing 9.00z but, as mentioned by our other poster with contacts this is not concrete so don't go making unnecessary journeys!


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    #277
    hopeso
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    greenpilot wrote: »
    VHOQA ex Qantas has been pulled into the Eads hanger, which is apparently the second A380 due to Knock. My source says F-HPJB has been moved back out to the ramp. He's still going with the 20th, departing 9.00z but, as mentioned by our other poster with contacts this is not concrete so don't go making unnecessary journeys!

    Once again, thanks for the update!

    I saw it somewhere recently that Qantas have no plans to get rid of any A380's, and that any at Dresden are going to be refurbished.

    A quick search found this link..... https://simpleflying.com/qantas-a380-fleet-refurbishment/


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    #278
    greenpilot
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    Ok. Just got word from Dresden, as of 20mins ago, all attempts to make the aircraft commercially airworthy have failed and AF have now released the aircraft to the Owners, Dr. P. and will be shipped to be scrapped. I have a time and day, but I cannot post anything just yet to be fair to a number of people including my good friend in Dresden.
    I'm sure details will be released by the parties concerned.


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    #279
    rolion
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    greenpilot wrote: »
    Ok. Just got word from Dresden, as of 20mins ago, all attempts to make the aircraft commercially airworthy have failed and AF have now released the aircraft to the Owners, Dr. P. and will be shipped to be scrapped. I have a time and day, but I cannot post anything just yet to be fair to a number of people including my good friend in Dresden.
    I'm sure details will be released by the parties concerned.

    Thanks,appreciated.
    Really feel silly at this point, after so many posts here...

    At least,can you confirm WHEN can you post "anything yet" as i am fcuking sick of how many days and times and hours i asked for time off.
    And my junior drives me nuts every day, every hour...

    Take care.


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    #280
    hopeso
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    greenpilot wrote: »
    Ok. Just got word from Dresden, as of 20mins ago, all attempts to make the aircraft commercially airworthy have failed and AF have now released the aircraft to the Owners, Dr. P. and will be shipped to be scrapped. I have a time and day, but I cannot post anything just yet to be fair to a number of people including my good friend in Dresden.
    I'm sure details will be released by the parties concerned.

    Needless to say, but do update us as soon as you feel you are able to......


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    #281
    greenpilot
    Registered Users Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    rolion wrote: »
    Thanks,appreciated.
    Really feel silly at this point, after so many posts here...

    At least,can you confirm WHEN can you post "anything yet" as i am fcuking sick of how many days and times and hours i asked for time off.
    And my junior drives me nuts every day, every hour...

    Take care.

    Its definitely this week. They keep changing the time, which is the issue. The spotters page have the same Info as I'm sharing it with them but we dont want to post something, have loads of folks and excited kids travel long distances to get here and then a no show. My source tells me that as soon as he sees an APU running and beacons turning and sees a flighplan, he will ring me. That gives folks 2 hours to get here on whatever day it runs.


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    #282
    billy few mates
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    Does anybody know what happens to the fuel that's left in it when they scrap them...?
    No reason, asking for a friend of a friend, and his friend.


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    #283
    Manuel
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    Are they these two?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda%C3%AD-investigate-theft-of-jet-fuel-at-dublin-airport-1.4176711


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    #284
    plodder
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    I suppose it's not like a rental car, where you have to return it with the tank full .. :pac:

    All the same, with safety reserves etc, there'd still be a fair amount of it in a plane that size.


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    #285
    easypazz
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    billy few mates wrote: »
    Does anybody know what happens to the fuel that's left in it when they scrap them...?
    No reason, asking for a friend of a friend, and his friend.

    I assume they would just drain it off and sell it to the next plane that needs fuel.


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    #286
    billy few mates
    Registered Users Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭billy few mates


    easypazz wrote: »
    I assume they would just drain it off and sell it to the next plane that needs fuel.

    You can't do that, fuel that comes off one aeroplane can't be used on another aeroplane because of the risk of microbiological contamination of the fuel in the tank and the possibility of cross contaminating another aircraft. Some operators are not as thorough as others when it comes to measures to prevent contamination, for that reason no operator would accept fuel that had been in another operator's aircraft and no fuel company would offer it to you. In some cases the fuel company will allow drained fuel from one aircraft in an operator's fleet to be reused on another aircraft within the fleet but in a lot of cases they won't even drain fuel into their normal bowsers because of the risk but they will drain them into waste bowsers that they don't use for refuelling but the fuel would have to be disposed of.


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    #287
    RocketRaccoon
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    billy few mates wrote: »
    Does anybody know what happens to the fuel that's left in it when they scrap them...?
    No reason, asking for a friend of a friend, and his friend.

    The lads who drain it dont need to pay for home heating oil for quite a while....


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    #288
    Lurching
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    plodder wrote: »
    All the same, with safety reserves etc, there'd still be a fair amount of it in a plane that size.

    I wonder what the standard reserves would be on an aircraft like that?
    A bit of googling tells me they burn 13.5T of fuel an hour at cruise.
    With enough fuel for an alternative airport and a reserve, surely they'd plan to have at least an hour or two on-board when landing?


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    #289
    greenpilot
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    Thursday. Departing either 9.00z DRS/ETA NOC 11.30 or Departing DRS 13.30/ETA NOC 16.30 for longer, controlled flight.
    There are some regulatory issues to be cleared up and again all this may change.
    It had a lot of work done in the Eads hanger which has a lot of folks scratching their heads Germany-side now that's it's destined for scrapping. This is the latest info to hand. Again. This may change.


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    #290
    BonnieSituation
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    All my stalking of this page has meant Google alerts popped this on my news feed this evening.

    https://www.flightglobal.com/mro/fuselage-of-first-airline-a380-recycled-into-identity-tags/136812.article

    That's a depressing vista for such a machine.


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    #291
    General Disarray
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    Lurching wrote: »
    I wonder what the standard reserves would be on an aircraft like that?
    A bit of googling tells me they burn 13.5T of fuel an hour at cruise.
    With enough fuel for an alternative airport and a reserve, surely they'd plan to have at least an hour or two on-board when landing?
    Legal minimum Final Reserve (30 mins) on landing of about 5,000kgs.


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    #292
    Lurching
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    General Disarray wrote: »
    Legal minimum Final Reserve (30 mins) on landing of about 5,000kgs.

    Do they need to factor an alternative airport on top of this also?


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    #293
    plodder
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    Lurching wrote: »
    Do they need to factor an alternative airport on top of this also?
    Was just going to ask that. It doesn't sound like huge quantities either way though and not enough to heat all the homes in Knock or Charlestown for a Winter anyway.


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    #294
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    Lurching wrote: »
    Do they need to factor an alternative airport on top of this also?

    Yes you would need to bring enough fuel to get to your nearest suitable alternate plus a minimum of 30 minutes reserve.


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    #295
    SNNUS
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    They will calculate to have minimum arrival fuel + holding amount + alternate fuel ( like a diversion to SNN as an example) so it will arrive with a nice amount of fuel remaining.


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    #296
    mickdw
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    1 hours fuel remaining on landing could be something like 17000L- would keep a few houses going for the winter.


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    #297
    Dickerty
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    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    All my stalking of this page has meant Google alerts popped this on my news feed this evening.

    https://www.flightglobal.com/mro/fuselage-of-first-airline-a380-recycled-into-identity-tags/136812.article

    That's a depressing vista for such a machine.

    Limited edition of 7000 at €28 a pop, already sold out. There is money in scrap!


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    #298
    Lurching
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    Dickerty wrote: »
    Limited edition of 7000 at €28 a pop, already sold out. There is money in scrap!

    It's amazing what crap you can sell just by putting "limited edition" in front of it.


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    #299
    rolion
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    billy few mates wrote: »
    You can't do that, fuel that comes off one aeroplane can't be used on another aeroplane because of the risk of microbiological contamination of the fuel in the tank and the possibility of cross contaminating another aircraft. Some operators are not as thorough as others when it comes to measures to prevent contamination, for that reason no operator would accept fuel that had been in another operator's aircraft and no fuel company would offer it to you. In some cases the fuel company will allow drained fuel from one aircraft in an operator's fleet to be reused on another aircraft within the fleet but in a lot of cases they won't even drain fuel into their normal bowsers because of the risk but they will drain them into waste bowsers that they don't use for refuelling but the fuel would have to be disposed of.

    May not be connected but its happening at bigger houses too:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/19/boeing-737-max-debris-found-in-fuel-tanks-of-grounded-planes

    Boeing has ordered inspections of its entire fleet of grounded 737 Max planes after it found debris in the fuel tanks of some of the aircraft, in the latest setback for the US plane-maker.

    The specialist aviation blog Leeham News, which first reported the discovery of the “foreign object debris” (FOD), said it was unlikely that the inspections would delay the recertification of the jets. However, it will take up to three days to inspect each plane because fuel must be drained and vapours dissipated before the fuel tanks can be opened.

    Mark Jenks, the general manager of the 737 programme, said in a memo to employees that the debris was “absolutely unacceptable” and that the company was taking steps to address the problem in its production system.


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    #300
    GM228
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    rolion wrote: »
    May not be connected but its happening at bigger houses too:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/19/boeing-737-max-debris-found-in-fuel-tanks-of-grounded-planes

    Boeing has ordered inspections of its entire fleet of grounded 737 Max planes after it found debris in the fuel tanks of some of the aircraft, in the latest setback for the US plane-maker.

    The specialist aviation blog Leeham News, which first reported the discovery of the “foreign object debris” (FOD), said it was unlikely that the inspections would delay the recertification of the jets. However, it will take up to three days to inspect each plane because fuel must be drained and vapours dissipated before the fuel tanks can be opened.

    Mark Jenks, the general manager of the 737 programme, said in a memo to employees that the debris was “absolutely unacceptable” and that the company was taking steps to address the problem in its production system.

    FOD is nothing new though in many airframs, the KC-46A has been plagued by this for example.
    However, it will take up to three days to inspect each plane because fuel must be drained and vapours dissipated before the fuel tanks can be opened.

    I would have thought that the majority of the MAXs would have been drained down before being put into storage, or are they kept with a but of fuel and run now and then? Come to think of it I seem to recall the storage criteria required engine start up and runs at certain times (monthly perhaps?).


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    #301
    greenpilot
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    Hello fellow Fleugfeen,


    The flight has been cancelled.


    Just kidding. (Couldn't help myself there..;))

    Word from my Germanic Gentlemen is that tomorrow is still a go. BUT, we will have final word early in the morning...

    As soon as I get word/ pictorial evidence of movement at DRS, I'll post it here.

    Have a wonderful evening, I seriously hope the weather Improves. It has been constantly raining here at the Airport all day, and tomorrows weather just gives a narrow window of opportunity.


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