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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,873 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    pgj2015 wrote: »
    You would think we were a third world country or something, do ye not realize you are living in one of richest countries in the world? the standard of living here is up there with the best countries in the world.

    all this nonsense you hear about all the homeless people in Ireland, a lot of them have mental problems and choose to live on the streets, the others who live in hotels yet keep having kids even though they have no jobs, well thats their own fault for being so stupid.

    It is a such county. With a spending problem. Way too much is spent on crap and wasters. Who would never vote fg. Yet fg bent over backwards for them andany of their working supporters can’t be rewarded while they throw out this money at welfare and SoCal housing like confetti. If varadkar and Fg weren’t media obsessed and spineless and remembered who voted them in last election, they’d be the biggest party , even allowing for the various fcuk ups !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 503 ✭✭✭Rufeo


    I'm getting ready for Wagongate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭RonanG86


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    We all want the country to do well but it has to be everybody together not just the few that FFG has gone to bat for since the foundation of the state. Nearly every single person i would know is working and tbh the majority are stressed out to death with rents, mortgages, insurance, child care, health care etc... As stated before it's sfa use having full employment in the country if it's only the small minority making money from it.

    We'll not have that logic in here, mate.

    Today is entirely a wave of Social Welfare scabs and college students who want everything for nothing voting for Sinn Fein in the belief that they'll plant a forest of money trees.

    Decent working people, who want for nothing because of their working decentness and the fact that this is an economically buoyant country and definitely don't have crippling mortgage payments and childcare costs, wouldn't vote for those murderers and pedophiles. Like, no way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    I'm a traditional Labour voter and I didn't vote Sinn Féin any preference yesterday.

    That said, the whole dismissive, arrogant, sneering, bitter, churlish and naive attitude in this thread is exactly why SF has done so well.

    Yes Sinn Féin IRA blew people up, but if you go back far enough you could say Fine Gael led a war against other Irish men and women and destroyed them for dissent.

    The point is, its 2020 and nobody cares. At least not enough of the voters in our young population, the largest demographic of 15-40 whose formative years came after 1994.

    It would do people like those voicing their opinions on here to get with the programme and get used to it.

    100 years ago is a big difference to just few years ago and a young man been murdered and the sneering from SF regarding this and the subsequent draggingnout of an apology after initially denying it says it all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    RonanG86 wrote: »
    We'll not have that logic in here, mate.

    Today is entirely a wave of Social Welfare scabs and college students who want everything for nothing voting for Sinn Fein in the belief that they'll plant a forest of money trees.

    Decent working people, who want for nothing because of their working decentness and the fact that this is an economically buoyant country and definitely don't have crippling mortgage payments and childcare costs, wouldn't vote for those murderers and pedophiles. Like, no way.

    So we should sweep health, housing and crime under the carpet and stick with FG and FF?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,961 ✭✭✭omega man


    Some people are working exceptionally hard, and handing over 20k of their hard earned wages in rent, then another 10k in childcare.l, before they can think about actually livingz saving for the future, saving for retirement etc.

    Your lazy generalisation is what has put SF where they are today denial of the obvious, a refusal to tackle the day to day issues that working people are struggling with every day if their lives.

    I am heading towards my fifties, have worked all my life, have been a floating voter, am in a relatively comfortable position, earn a good wage, have a negligable mortgage, and am relatively secure.

    I look at the position people ten years younger than me or more are in. People making a start in life, starting a family, starting a career, and looking to start a home. I look at these people and wonder in awe what keeps them going against all the odds, never mind the struggles they will face in trying to provide for their own retirement.

    Your assumptions are lazy, ignorant and I'll informed.

    I voted FG this time round, and SF second pre intacticly voted to keep ff out, and to try and put manners on fg. I have huge respect for much of what FG have done since the econimicly, and socially. I have huge respect for them finally tackinling SSM and abortion, and for the way they represented Ireland in the brexit negotiations.

    I abhore their right wing economic stance, the creation of a child care industry, and an industry of landlords and shared living. I abhore their stance on retirement, and the increase in retirement age.

    You keep up with your simplistic analysis of the voter, it will serve you well I am sure.

    And yet despite all of this you gave FG your first preference.

    My comment wasn’t a generalisation nor an “analysis” but simply a comment on ‘some’ people’s thought process, in my experience.

    I myself was born and bred in Dublin, have a young family and commute to my place of work in Dublin (as does my partner) from our home outside of Dublin. However I chose not to blame the government because I can’t buy my choice of property in Dublin but I’m the ignorant one...sure.

    We can do better as a society, I completely agree on that but a lot of people seem to blame the government for shortcomings in their own personal circumstances. It’s not that simple and if SF enters into government they and their voters will soon realise you can’t fix problems with slogans. Interesting times ahead.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 262 ✭✭perrito caliente


    The country is full of slaves working for people like yourself, no offence but you shouldn't treat the dole as an income but a stepping stone to betterment and self fulfillment

    Trying to get a one-up on someone you know nothing about by implying that they are unemployed is a rather pathetic rhetorical device I must say.

    I do work, but unlike resentful and selfish people like yourself, I'm happy to see my tax money redistributed so that people who need a hand up in life can live with dignity. Instead of losing sleep over the 'wasters' and 'scroungers' maybe you'd like to consider our corporate tax policy, or just our general priorities in terms of living in this country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,996 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Does anyone here actually seriously believe housing rents will fall ( by a large amount, over 5-10% ) under a government with SF in it

    Hospital waiting lists not without probably an extra 10p in the euro off everyone's pay packet it just isnt possible.

    Many other parties out there if you dont like FFG so what about SF appeals to people cos I have to tell you this is ludicrous. PBP are a crowd of economic pingpong heads but they'd be better than SF


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 667 ✭✭✭Balf


    I am heading towards my fifties, have worked all my life, have been a floating voter, am in a relatively comfortable position, earn a good wage, have a negligable mortgage, and am relatively secure.

    I look at the position people ten years younger than me or more are in. People making a start in life, starting a family, starting a career, and looking to start a home. I look at these people and wonder in awe what keeps them going against all the odds, never mind the struggles they will face in trying to provide for their own retirement.....


    I abhore their right wing economic stance, the creation of a child care industry, and an industry of landlords and shared living. I abhore their stance on retirement, and the increase in retirement age.
    I agree that we do need to reflect on why this is the electoral outcome being revealed


    But can I point out that resolving the inter-generational imbalance that you describe will entail reductions in pension entitlements.


    Or, putting it another way, oul lads like you and me expressing surprise that our "lifetime of work" isn't enough to give us what the generation that preceded us got.


    The political system hasn't grappled with some issues, or even articulated them well. That's because there's lots of toes they don't want to stand on.


    Anyway, if this ends up with SF sharing Government, they'll have to decide who's toes they want to stand on. Their first problem will be recognising the need to befriend people who can actually solve some problems.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,576 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    So we should sweep health, housing and crime under the carpet and stick with FG and FF?

    What can Sinn Fein do on any of those things. There isn't a housing problem it's everything being centralised in Dublin is the issue there. Health means taking on the unions something Sinn Fein won't do either. Crime, am I the only one knows what happend the head of the Gardas dad, I'd expect him to resign if Sinn Fein end up in power.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,264 ✭✭✭Elessar


    I'm thinking this might actually be a good thing, longer term.

    SF are a populist nonsense party and Mary Lou knows she cannot deliver on any of her promises. Get them into power, watch them be forced to make the tough choices that will alienate their demographic and then watch them get absolutely hammered for it.

    This election could actually signal the end for SF long term.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    What can Sinn Fein do on any of those things. There isn't a housing problem it's everything being centralised in Dublin is the issue there. Health means taking on the unions something Sinn Fein won't do either. Crime, am I the only one knows what happend the head of the Gardas dad, I'd expect him to resign if Sinn Fein end up in power.

    I don’t expect SF will do anything to solve these issues. But are been given a chance because others who had the chance refused to fix them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    trellheim wrote: »
    Does anyone here actually seriously believe housing rents will fall ( by a large amount, over 5-10% ) under a government with SF in it

    Hospital waiting lists not without probably an extra 10p in the euro off everyone's pay packet it just isnt possible.

    Many other parties out there if you dont like FFG so what about SF appeals to people cos I have to tell you this is ludicrous. PBP are a crowd of economic pingpong heads but they'd be better than SF

    I came to a conclusion long ago that a lot of people are fooking idiots.
    Feed them a few soundbites, promise them everything and anything and they will bite.

    Of course the left of late have being telling us that it is only the voters for Brexit and Trump that are eejits, but look how many voted for Corbyn in the UK and now sinn fein here.

    Too many people are becoming disillusioned with the status quo and too many people think someone with a catchy sales pitch can solve their issues and problems.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭macwal


    Elessar wrote: »
    I'm thinking this might actually be a good thing, longer term.

    SF are a populist nonsense party and Mary Lou knows she cannot deliver on any of her promises. Get them into power, watch them be forced to make the tough choices that will alienate their demographic and then watch them get absolutely hammered for it.

    This election could actually signal the end for SF long term.


    That sounds good, but is it worth the risk?


    Maybe if I was in my early 20's getting (read, expecting) everything for free, or later in life getting ready to pop my clogs and not really giving a flying, but I'm neither.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    So we should sweep health, housing and crime under the carpet and stick with FG and FF?

    Wooooooooosh


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,555 ✭✭✭wexfordman2


    omega man wrote: »
    And yet despite all of this you gave FG your first preference.

    My comment wasn’t a generalisation nor an “analysis” but simply a comment on ‘some’ people’s thought process, in my experience.

    I myself was born and bred in Dublin, have a young family and commute to my place of work in Dublin (as does my partner) from our home outside of Dublin. However I chose not to blame the government because I can’t buy my choice of property in Dublin but I’m the ignorant one...sure.

    We can do better as a society, I completely agree on that but a lot of people seem to blame the government for shortcomings in their own personal circumstances. It’s not that simple and if SF enters into government they and their voters will soon realise you can’t fix problems with slogans. Interesting times ahead.

    Yes, and I explained exactly why I voted for FG, and for SF, perhaps you would care to point out my flawed logic and how I could have voted effectively against FF (you know, those of the IMF variettz with a potential taoiseach who was a former minister in the sake government), while still keeping some level of check in fg due to their failures in socio economic areasnauch as health, Housing, homelessness, childcare etc

    I am very proud of what FG have done in many aspects for this country over the last 5 to ten years, I am very proud of how they have defended and represented Ireland in the international stage in regards to brexit.

    I abhore FF, and would not be able to countenance MM as taoiseach if I can avoid it.


    Do I expect SF to make a difference ? Absolutely, although perhaps not as a direct result of their own actions, more in the longer term as a serious kick to FF and FG.

    Do I expect them to resolve the health services ? Absolutely not, not one political party, not one minister has managed to do so, despite throwing money at it. The problem with the health service, is the health service, is the public sector unions, and no government is going to tackle that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Wooooooooosh

    Yep. Sorry buddy


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    There isn't a housing problem.

    There is and it is what won SF the election! But yeah keep telling yourself that man


  • Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Any serious health service reforms would involve making thousands of desk workers redundant & replacing them with outsourced admin staff on low wages..... Any party doing that won't be popular.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    Elessar wrote: »
    I'm thinking this might actually be a good thing, longer term.

    SF are a populist nonsense party and Mary Lou knows she cannot deliver on any of her promises. Get them into power, watch them be forced to make the tough choices that will alienate their demographic and then watch them get absolutely hammered for it.

    This election could actually signal the end for SF long term.

    Ha ha :D

    Love the bitter tears :p


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,264 ✭✭✭Elessar


    macwal wrote: »
    That sounds good, but is it worth the risk?


    Maybe if I was in my early 20's getting (read, expecting) everything for free, or later in life getting ready to pop my clogs and not really giving a flying, but I'm neither.

    I think it's the only way at this stage. Wouldn't surprise me if there's another election and SF take complete control. I shudder to think what Ireland will be like now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭macwal


    There is and it is what won SF the election! But yeah keep telling yourself that man


    There isn't a housing problem, we have a population problem.


    And I don't just mean quantity, it's quality too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    billyhead wrote: »
    Sinn Fein topping the polls in many constituencies. I believe in democracy...

    Then that’s it. You believe in democracy. This is democracy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    jmayo wrote: »
    Too many people are becoming disillusioned with the status quo.

    What do you mean 'too many people'?

    People are rightly disillusioned the status quo.

    And they have spoken :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,555 ✭✭✭wexfordman2


    macwal wrote: »
    That sounds good, but is it worth the risk?


    Maybe if I was in my early 20's getting (read, expecting) everything for free, or later in life getting ready to pop my clogs and not really giving a flying, but I'm neither.

    So,

    Just to clarify, you think that those that voted for SF did so in the expectation of getting freebies ?

    That, what looks like now, 25% of the electorate are spongers looking for freebies ?

    We have full employment btw, so if you could let us know where the 25% spongers are, let us know.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 945 ✭✭✭Always Tired


    Why do FFG followers think younger people are going to vote based on the past, rather than the future we see, which has become bleaker and bleaker since the mid 2000's.

    There is no future for many of us under the 2 parties that have been in power. Many of us will probably never own our own home. We are being forced to share houses in our 30s and beyond, or live at home. The recovery didnt reach beyond the urban centres. Unless you are a techie it's hard to find anything paying a decent wage.

    Nurses and teachers have had to join the unemployed in going abroad at the chance for a fair shake at life.

    People saying, "Go ahead and watch them screw up the economy." And saying "You lot have short memories." While you vote Fianna friggin Fail. GTFO. I remember 2008 very well.

    As for FG, I also remember the reintroduction of college fees and cut to the grant. It forced me to take a loan out to finish my ordinary degree and have to forego my honours year.

    I also remember Jobbridge, the most ill guided scheme ever to help employment. It just replaced the few jobs available and kept me on the breadline while I worked full time only to be shown the door and replaced by another intern after 9 months.

    And that's not counting the property tax, the Irish water fiasco, the trolley crisis, countrywide evictions and now the raising of the pension age.

    The future as it stands for many is to rent in a shared house with strangers for the rest of your life while you work until youre nearly 70. Yeah we should be delighted to keep the status quo.

    We are the first generation that is going to be worse off financially than the one before it. The older generation think we don't understand what you went through in the troubles, well that was in Northern Ireland, and you lot obviously don't under what WE are going through the last 15 years if you think we want to keep things as they are.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    macwal wrote: »
    There isn't a housing problem, we have a population problem.


    And I don't just mean quantity, it's quality too.

    If you're going into a immigration rant..

    So glad AH posters again have shown they're mostly a far right fringe compared to society.

    Less than 1% in exit poll say immigration was their main issue in voting!

    Very proud of Irish people for that, Ireland will not become mental Brexit Britain :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 814 ✭✭✭debok


    Jaysus lads like although sinn Fein aren't the answer fg and FF just got lazy last few years. If your in any job longterm like they have been fir nearly 100 years ya can let things slip. That's what they did, the took people for granted. Fg became totally unrelatable to people. Can you imagine varadkar, Harris or Murphy talking to a farmer. .They be afraid they get but if dirt on their shirts. Maybe this will be a wake-up call for them. The sad fact is Murphy getting back in shows a lot of his constituents are doing well from the homeless and rent crisis. Sinn Fein not miracle workers but at least it shows some people in Ireland are not falling for varadkars spin. Just look at the fact check s on the journal abiut things they've said during the campaign mostly all proved false.
    It's a change but we will end up in another election this year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,555 ✭✭✭wexfordman2


    jmayo wrote: »
    I came to a conclusion long ago that a lot of people are fooking idiots.
    Feed them a few soundbites, promise them everything and anything and they will bite.

    Of course the left of late have being telling us that it is only the voters for Brexit and Trump that are eejits, but look how many voted for Corbyn in the UK and now sinn fein here.

    Too many people are becoming disillusioned with the status quo and too many people think someone with a catchy sales pitch can solve their issues and problems.

    So,

    If you are delusioned about the status quo, who do you vote for ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,996 ✭✭✭trellheim


    There is and it is what won SF the election!
    SF will not win a majority. What are they running, just 40 candidates ? There are 160-odd seats. At the very most they can win 25% of seats assuming every candidate is elected.

    As for the housing crisis ? Which SF policy about it "we'll build more houses" ? Yes you gotta love that cos its what every party has said


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    trellheim wrote: »
    SF will not win a majority. What are they running, just 40 candidates ? There are 160-odd seats.

    Really? Yeah cheers for that info. :rolleyes:

    Anyone who thinks SF haven't won this election is not dealing in reality.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    Augeo wrote: »
    Any serious health service reforms would involve making thousands of desk workers redundant & replacing them with outsourced admin staff on low wages..... Any party doing that won't be popular.

    There are way too many Management and Admin staff in the HSE.

    You shouldnt need to replace them. Invest the money to where it’s needed.

    Public services need to be streamlined and gut the waste and focus on what needs to be improved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    macwal wrote: »
    There isn't a housing problem, we have a population problem.

    I like your thinking. There’s nothing wrong with the health service either. There’s just too many people getting sick!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 945 ✭✭✭Always Tired


    Hilarious how FFG lemmings will tell us we're at full employment and are doing so great under the current regime but the reason SF is rising in popularity is because of so many people being on the dole and wanting free stuff.

    Which is it lads? You can't have full employment and then blame the shift that's occurring on wasters. If there was full employment and everyone doing well and full of optimism, there wouldnt be enough 'wasters' to vote for change.

    When will you wake up and realize it's not the lads on the dole who are keeping the middle class stretched and stressed, but those above you on the financial scale?

    It's akin someone who is living in a small flat begrudging a homeless man living in a cardboard box for what he has while ignoring the fact that his neighbour across town owns 3 houses.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,555 ✭✭✭wexfordman2


    Balf wrote: »
    I agree that we do need to reflect on why this is the electoral outcome being revealed


    But can I point out that resolving the inter-generational imbalance that you describe will entail reductions in pension entitlements.


    Or, putting it another way, oul lads like you and me expressing surprise that our "lifetime of work" isn't enough to give us what the generation that preceded us got.


    The political system hasn't grappled with some issues, or even articulated them well. That's because there's lots of toes they don't want to stand on.


    Anyway, if this ends up with SF sharing Government, they'll have to decide who's toes they want to stand on. Their first problem will be recognising the need to befriend people who can actually solve some problems.

    Oh, I agree with you, remember, FF's solution to the pension crisis is gauranting an increase of 5euri per week every year for the next five years ! Oh, and to have a look at the retirement age increase (which was their policy initially ).

    I am not coming across this from a selfish perspective, I also am in a fairly good position pension wise, and am aiming for retirement a few years early, irrespective of the state pension.

    But to expect people to work to 70 and beyond is disgusting, especially when you give yourself and other vested interest a get out clause.

    But now we go back to the problem that is facing most young working people today, how do they afford, rent,mortgage, health, childcare and saving for pension.

    What a horrible world we have left for them, forcing them to a life of unsustainable rent and housing, creating a childcare industry that they now must finance, and making any hope of retirement at a reasonable age almost unreachable.

    If something drastic is not done now to correct these wrongs, we face a horrible future for ourselves and the next few generations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,555 ✭✭✭wexfordman2


    endacl wrote: »
    I like your thinking. There’s nothing wrong with the health service either. There’s just too many people getting sick!

    I suspect he would thing that it's the wrong sort of sick people


  • Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There are way too many Management and Admin staff in the HSE.

    You shouldnt need to replace them. Invest the money to where it’s needed.

    Public services need to be streamlined and gut the waste and focus on what needs to be improved.

    My point is getting rid of them won't make who does it popular.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,996 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Really? Yeah cheers for that info.

    Anyone who thinks SF haven't won this election is not dealing in reality.
    Using what metric like imaginary majorities ? Goes well with the imaginary policies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,702 ✭✭✭quokula


    We can no longer think we're better than other countries voting for Brexit, Trump, AFD, National Front etc as Ireland now find itself in much the same boat.

    To see so many constituencies topped by a party that is nationalist, is populist, pretends complex problems have simple solutions, has a campaign and manifesto built on lies and fantasy, often uses anti-EU rhetoric, and actively engages in climate denial is so utterly depressing. And that's before you get to their direct and active links to violent thugs and criminality.

    It's a dark day for Ireland, hopefully whatever government make up we end up with exposes Sinn Fein for who they really are before they can do too much permanent damage to the country.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    A great day for Ireland the ff fg sham has been broken. Too many people in this country want to live in the past its people like these who have dragged this country down from fulfilling our true potential .
    The awakening started when ff ****ed this country up and
    this awakening has only gotten stronger and stronger .


  • Registered Users Posts: 657 ✭✭✭I Am The Law


    billyhead wrote: »
    Sinn Fein topping the polls in many constituencies. I believe in democracy but too vote this crowd in as your number 1

    That's the quote of the day from the 'I'm alright Jack' portion of our unequal society.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    That's the quote of the day from the 'I'm alright Jack' portion of our unequal society.

    Watch us all get equally miserable....
    theyre going to need a lot more social houses when the high income earners and multinationals leave.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,428 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I assume that FF and FG will just pair up again, along with a smaller party or a handful of independents. Be grand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭rtron


    Oh Lord what have we done!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    briany wrote: »
    I assume that FF and FG will just pair up again, along with a smaller party or a handful of independents. Be grand.

    probably, hopefully they don't choose the greens and we can business as usual.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,994 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    chrissb8 wrote: »
    FF & FG have done this to themselves. Did they think people were going to take their s***e forever.

    What have FG done that is so bad? Recovery after the crash. Got the deal done on Brexit - near full employment in the ROI.

    What have SF done promised a vague 'change' ? The same party who has an uneasy history with the SCC and protectors of comrades involved in lawlessness, murder etc. The same party who did nothing during Brexit - could have entered WM but did not. The same party who did nothing in Stormont for 3 years playing games.

    I think the problem is many of these new 'young disenfranchised electorate' do not look under the surface, know recent history, nor do they understand the broader picture.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,994 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    briany wrote: »
    I assume that FF and FG will just pair up again, along with a smaller party or a handful of independents. Be grand.

    I assume so it will be the next election that will be interesting.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    To the people lambasting and throwing all sorts of insults at those who voted for SF. You do realise such rhetoric increased their vote over the course of the election?

    Be careful, we could be back at the polls in a few months. And Sinn Féin will have even more candidates.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,321 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    briany wrote: »
    I assume that FF and FG will just pair up again, along with a smaller party or a handful of independents. Be grand.

    Didn't FF say they won't work with FG or SF?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    Watch us all get equally miserable....
    theyre going to need a lot more social houses when the high income earners and multinationals leave.

    That's an interesting one, what are Sinn Fein corporate tax policy's?? Is it business as usual.


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